Thread: Christian Nation?

Originally Posted by Jetboogieman

There you go making those broad generalizations again...

Do you have to try and start a pissing war with me on every thread?

Just leave it alone... I wasn't trying to piss anyone off and a little common sense would tell you I don't believe that of everyone on the left... Geez.

Originally Posted by Jetboogieman

There you go making those broad generalizations again...

Have you ever seen him post in any other fashion really? maybe sporadically. But the vast majority of his posts are broad generalizations filled with bias, partisanship, hypocrisy topped off with dishonest and illogical rants Its just his style and MO.

Originally Posted by Grim17

Do you have to try and start a pissing war with me on every thread?

Just leave it alone... I wasn't trying to piss anyone off and a little common sense would tell you I don't believe that of everyone on the left... Geez.

You're so dishonest it's unreal.

You do make broad generalizations, and then when you're confronted on them, you feign ignorance, acting like "you didn't mean in that way" and then act like you're a victim.

Here's yet another instance of you doing it...

Originally Posted by Grim17

Progressives are nothing but a bunch of racists.

You're the worst kind of partisan because you actually think you're objective.

Would wager it would depend on which part of the US you ask... bible belt.. hell yea!... rest .. maybe. Like it or not, the US as it is now and seems to be moving towards with its morality politics.. much more in common with the mullahs of Iran than the true Republics of history..

Despite being a well credentialed Atheist here, I consider us a Christian Nation as well.
We were founded by Christians, many of whom read the Bible daily, and were in almost complete majority themselves from a 98% Christian Nation Britain.

Our Constitution has much more to do with the Magna Carta (a monument in the history of Western civilization), than 'Greece' or 'Rome'.
I also suggest the Declaration of independence in which our rights are attributed by the founders to God, The Christian God.

We are considered a Christain nation in character/majority by other non-Christian nations as well.
Does this mean we are all Christians or a theocracy... of course not.

But this is another example where current political correctness/bizarro 'new history'/multi-culti denies the true generalization.
And of course, another anti-American cheap shot from PeteEU above.

Originally Posted by Jetboogieman

Here's yet another instance of you doing it...

Originally Posted by Grim17

Progressives are nothing but a bunch of racists.

That was sarcasm Einstein... But as long as it serves as a means for you to attack me, I'm sure that fact is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by mbig

Despite being a well credentialed Atheist here, I consider us a Christian Nation as well.
We were founded by Christians, many of whom read the Bible daily, and were in almost complete majority themselves from a 98% Christian Nation Britain.

Our Constitution has much more to do with the Magna Carta (incredible treatise), than 'Greece' or 'Rome'.
I also suggest the Declaration of independence in which our rights are attributed by the founders to God, The Christian God.

We are considered a Christain nation in character/majority by other non-Christian nations as well.
Does this mean we are all Christians.. of course not.

But this is another example where current political correctness/bizarro 'new history'/multi-culti denies the true generalization.
And of course, another anti-American cheap shot from PeteEU above.

The neo classical era followed Magna Carta. Our ideas about democracy, the ideals of a state, have been influenced by these two cultures.

The Netherlands considers itself a judeo-christian nation. 85% secular, but heavily influenced by judeo-christian morals. Same with this atheist.

Originally Posted by Djoop

The Netherlands considers itself a judeo-christian nation. 85% secular, but heavily influenced by judeo-christian morals. Same with this atheist.

What is this Judeo-Christian nation stuff Djoop and what makes you believe it is something to be cherished?

The principle of "an eye for an eye" is often referred to using the Latin phrase lex talionis, the law of talion. The meaning of the principle Eye for an Eye is that a person who has injured another person returns the offending action to the originator in compensation. The exact Latin (lex talionis) to English translation of this phrase is actually "The law of retaliation." At the root of this principle is that one of the purposes of the law is to provide equitable retribution for an offended party.

Dr Ian Guthridge cited many instances of genocide in the Old Testament:[31]:319-320
“ the Bible also contains the horrific account of what can only be described as a "biblical holocaust". For, in order to keep the chosen people apart from and unaffected by the alien beliefs and practices of indigenous or neighbouring peoples, when God commanded his chosen people to conquer the Promised Land, he placed city after city 'under the ban" -which meant that every man, woman and child was to be slaughtered at the point of the sword. ”


The extent of extermination is described in the scriptural passage Deut 20:16-18 which orders the Israelites to "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …".[32] thus leading many scholars to characterize the exterminations as genocide.[33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42] Niels Peter Lemche asserts that European colonialism in the 19th century was ideologically based on the Old Testament narratives of conquest and extermination.[43] Arthur Grenke claims that the view or war expressed in Deuteronomy contributed to the destruction of Native Americans and to the destruction of European Jewry.[44]

Christianity and violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reality of 'Judeo-Christian' culture which as you can see above is not something which is to be applauded leading as it did to such depravity of atrocities is not something anyone should be proud of or wanting to re-engage.

However regarding any country in the West actually considering itself Judeo-Christian, we can see this is not present until the 1930's in the US, not the Netherlands as far as I am aware.

When you consider how much blood has been spilled over questions of theology, there is something quite wonderful about the way Americans are so eager to give every religion equal credit for good intentions—or even to believe that good intentions are more important than theological correctness. And what is most amazing of all is the way Jews are automatically included in this consensus—in what Eisenhower went on to call “the Judeo-Christian concept.” The very term “Judeo-Christian,” which is now a cliché in American political discourse, represents a healing of a 2,000-year-old breach, an off-hand repudiation of the whole bloody history of Christian anti-Judaism.

When and how did America start to think of itself as a Judeo-Christian country, rather than what it historically has been, a Protestant one? That is the question Kevin M. Schultz asks in Tri-Faith America: How Catholics and Jews Held Postwar America to Its Protestant Promise (Oxford), and he gives a very concrete answer. The change came about in the 1930s and 1940s, thanks primarily to the concerted effort of the National Conference of Christians and Jews, a lobbying and educational group founded in 1927. In fact, the first half of Tri-Faith America reads like a history of the NCCJ, as Schultz draws on archival material to show how the group developed its programs and understood its mission.

That mission was even clearer in the group’s original, unwieldy name, National Conference of Jews and Christians (Catholic and Protestant). For if one of its goals was to bridge the divide between Jews and Christians, the other was to stimulate good will between Protestant and Catholics—groups whose antagonism had been a far more important feature of American history. Indeed, from any reasonable point of view, Catholics posed a much greater challenge to the hegemony of American Protestants than Jews ever could: At mid-century, the population was estimated to be two-thirds Protestant, one-quarter Catholic, and 3 percent Jewish. To many Protestants, moreover, Catholics were inherently unsuited to democracy, because of their obedience to the Church and their communal clannishness. Not until the election of John F. Kennedy in 1960 would this kind of hostility be wholly put to rest.

It is greatly to the credit of America’s mainline Protestant leaders, then, that in the 20th century they put the weight of the Establishment behind the “tri-faith” vision and against the forces of bigotry. The NCCJ had its origins as a reaction to the rise of the Ku Klux Klan, with its anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic hatreds, and took new urgency from the rise of Nazism in 1930s Europe. Its most popular programs were the so-called Tolerance Trios, in which a priest, minister, and rabbi would tour the country conducting public discussions. The NCCJ’s head described these tours as a benevolent American “ ‘storm-trooping’ … in sharp contrast to Nazi precept and procedure.”

Three-Part Harmony - by Adam Kirsch - Tablet Magazine – Jewish News and Politics, Jewish Arts and Culture, Jewish Life and Religion

I think you are rewriting history suggesting the Netherlands are Judeo-Christian unless you are demanding the right to massacre all those different to yourself - which sadly is what some who have taken to this way, as worst shown by Breivik, show. I know not you Djoop but I do not think it is correct to say the Netherlands comes from a Judeo-Christian tradition/history/culture unless you accept what that is and want to revert to such gross exclusionist behaviour and that is unfortunately the way that term is presently being used by anti Islam extremists.

Originally Posted by Grim17

That was sarcasm Einstein... But as long as it serves as a means for you to attack me, I'm sure that fact is irrelevant.

I guess it gets to the point where your world view becomes so contrived and convoluted you have to lie to yourself.

The wars are beginning this type of simple dissections and they going to big movements i don't enrage this type of slogans so keep distance with this issues