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6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

Harry Guerrilla said:
Not really, in my opinion.
As long as you can earn more than you need and sock it away in some type of savings/investment vehicle, you're increasing your chances.
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If I go outside and push rocks around all day, I'm not making money. The value of the work you do matters, along with the likability of the work and the demand for the work.

Just to clarify, I'm not disagreeing with you that having wealth necessitates fiscal responsibility. All I'm saying is there are more aspects to income than simply working hard. You can't JUST work hard and expect to make high level income.

High income is not necessary for wealth but it helps.
 
Republic Now! said:
If I go outside and push rocks around all day, I'm not making money. The value of the work you do matters, along with the likability of the work and the demand for the work.

Just to clarify, I'm not disagreeing with you that having wealth necessitates fiscal responsibility. All I'm saying is there are more aspects to income than simply working hard. You can't JUST work hard and expect to make high level income.

High income is not necessary for wealth but it helps.
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No doubt that's true.
I'm just saying that, whether you flip burgers or are a budget analyst for X business, it doesn't matter, as long as you can save more, than you need to live on.

Although having a higher income does make it much easier.
 
This one bothers me, because it's accurate.

#4. "If I Can Do It, So Can You!"
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There have been many wealthy people who claim that yeah, you to can do it. You just need to be born into a wealthy family so you can afford an expensive education/business, etc.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Who doesn't work hard for their money?

People who thieved and didn't earn it honestly (though it might be difficult - it's not 'hard honest work') and people who inherited wealth and therefor did not do much 'work' to gain it.

These two things are what rich people tend ot be accused of: stealing from the little guy and having a rich granny who croaked.

So - yes - to me, if this is the insult being given to them - it's a perfectly sensible response. I see people accuse the rich of doing these two things all the time: I don't bat a lash when they give their hard-work as a response.

Your offense suggests that hard work can't produce wealth at all: but it can - and does - quite often. More so than you're aware of, apparently :shrug:
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No, my argument, and this authors argument, is that hard work does not produce wealth more often than not. It can produce wealth, but it isn't a guarantee or even a likely hood. Much of America busts its ass all day, so to suggest that you deserve extra for that very reason is insulting. You don't see the fallacy in the argument?

If a guy works 70 hours a week and makes $40,000 working in the moving industry and another guy makes $700,000 a year on Wallstreet and works 70 hours a week and he says, "I work hard for my money so I deserve it", you don't see how the guy who works for the moving company would think, "WTF? So do I."

Hard work is not a requirement for wealth, nor is it a guarantee.

Sparky said:
So if someone does agreee with your views, you hurl personal insults at them?
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You mean like when he told me I only liked the article because I am a failure? Yeah, if that's his view then I'll insult him.

Billy the Kid said:
Took a look at your posted website. You're kidding, right?

Tell me, in your words, why you think/believe you deserves money or goods, you didn't work for or personally earn? I'm really serious. I've heard this over and over and would like to hear this from someone that believes this.
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I'll answer any questions you have that are relevant to the topic.

For now, I suggest maybe you learn to read.
 
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Wake said:
This one bothers me, because it's accurate.



There have been many wealthy people who claim that yeah, you to can do it. You just need to be born into a wealthy family so you can afford an expensive education/business, etc.
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Nah, being wealthy has more to do with the correct type of thinking that precludes wealth building.
Wealth building is long term thinking.

Anyone can do it, provided they have the discipline to see it through.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Nah, being wealthy has more to do with the correct type of thinking that precludes wealth building.
Wealth building is long term thinking.

Anyone can do it, provided they have the discipline to see it through.
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The key is anyone can (within reason), but not everyone. That's the point, HG.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Nah, being wealthy has more to do with the correct type of thinking that precludes wealth building.
Wealth building is long term thinking.

Anyone can do it, provided they have the discipline to see it through.
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If they can't work, or are disabled, or can't find a job because the economy sucks, or can't afford insurance and are on the verge of misery... how can they make it?

More and more jobs require a college education. How are you to get through when you can't afford schooling?
 
Wake said:
This one bothers me, because it's accurate.



There have been many wealthy people who claim that yeah, you to can do it. You just need to be born into a wealthy family so you can afford an expensive education/business, etc.
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I know a family of six girls. They came from dire poverty. No inside plumbing kinda of poverty. The four oldest all went to work while in high school and never stopped. They held down full time jobs, went to school at night and all 4 paid their way through college. The oldest started her own business, the other three all have well paying jobs.

The youngest two did nothing to further themselves. They now have jobs only because the older sister hired them to work for her. But, and this is the truth, they both think the world owes them because they didn't turn out like their sisters.
 
Wake said:
If they can't work, or are disabled, or can't find a job because the economy sucks, or can't afford insurance and are on the verge of misery... how can they make it?

More and more jobs require a college education. How are you to get through when you can't afford schooling?
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If you have no/low income and want to go to school, the government pays for it.
Disabled people are a different story.

All I can say is that, when I stopped thinking like I was a victim of my circumstances and started taking charge of things, is when my life changed.
It's a totally different mentality.
 
whysoserious said:
An awesome article that articulates the obvious for our republican friends who seem to be unable to perform these feats of logic themselves! I won't say much, but I'll quote my favorite parts since the author is obviously a better writer than I am:

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying​
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Oh brother, who's jealous? seriously, this is one of the dumbest articles Ive ever read, has to be top ten.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
(1) If you have no/low income and want to go to school, the government pays for it.
Disabled people are a different story.

All I can say is that, when I stopped thinking like I was a victim of my circumstances and started taking charge of things, is when my life changed.
It's a totally different mentality.
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(1) That's not necessarily true. There are grants, and then there are loans. I remember during my nursing clinicals I received grant money, but there were a host of items I had to pay for, like stethescopes, lab overcoat/scrubs, etc. I guess it really depends on which college/college payment plan.

It's difficult to take charge of things when you cannot afford to buy a car, and the only businesses within walking distance are miles away and aren't hiring. There just seems to be way to many chanrges and costs, from electricity and heating to taxes and insurance. Not to mention once I do get a job and receive my car from IN I'll have to pay for car insurance, car parts/maintenance, and not to mention supposed $5-gallon gas bills.
 
Wake said:
(1) That's not necessarily true. There are grants, and then there are loans. I remember during my nursing clinicals I received grant money, but there were a host of items I had to pay for, like stethescopes, lab overcoat/scrubs, etc. I guess it really depends on which college/college payment plan.
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If you absolutely need to go to school, there are options.
You aren't barred from entering from your lack of the ability to pay.
Although I don't believe school is required to become wealthier.

Wake said:
It's difficult to take charge of things when you cannot afford to buy a car, and the only businesses within walking distance are miles away and aren't hiring. There just seems to be way to many chanrges and costs, from electricity and heating to taxes and insurance. Not to mention once I do get a job and receive my car from IN I'll have to pay for car insurance, car parts/maintenance, and not to mention supposed $5-gallon gas bills.
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How many miles are we talking here?
Bicycles are great for distances of 5 miles +/-.
 
Wake said:
(1) That's not necessarily true. There are grants, and then there are loans. I remember during my nursing clinicals I received grant money, but there were a host of items I had to pay for, like stethescopes, lab overcoat/scrubs, etc. I guess it really depends on which college/college payment plan.

It's difficult to take charge of things when you cannot afford to buy a car, and the only businesses within walking distance are miles away and aren't hiring. There just seems to be way to many chanrges and costs, from electricity and heating to taxes and insurance. Not to mention once I do get a job and receive my car from IN I'll have to pay for car insurance, car parts/maintenance, and not to mention supposed $5-gallon gas bills.
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You know what your post sounds to me like? Life. Grab hold and live it. You aren't the first person to go though what you've posted. Why should anyone pick up your tab for your life choices?
 
whysoserious said:
If you want to call living in poverty that... ok.
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Well, working somewhere is better than working no where.
How do I know they're living in poverty?
What were the circumstances behind them working at McD's?

I don't have the patience for persistent victims.
There comes a time, where you are expected to grow out of low pay jobs.
 
whysoserious said:
No, my argument, and this authors argument, is that hard work does not produce wealth more often than not. It can produce wealth, but it isn't a guarantee or even a likely hood.
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whysoserious said:
The key is anyone can [build wealth] (within reason), but not everyone. That's the point, HG.
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1. Hard work according to you usually doesn't result in wealth.
2. But, anyone according to you, within reason, can build wealth.

So I believe you need to tell us what these people were working hard at first, right? Because if they were working hard at say, spending all of their income, I agree, working hard in that context is nearly guaranteed to ensure no wealth is built. But then you admit that nearly anyone within reason, can build wealth. Did you also imply that the process of "bulding wealth" is work? That is, if anyone can build wealth, and all it takes is "working to build wealth"? You would appear to agree then that nearly anyone can work hard at building wealth and in fact, bulid wealth (!).

Also, I'm interested to know in your thinking on this, regarding #1 above. Are you suggesting that if you tell me I don't work hard for my income, and I respond "I work hard for my money!", that:
a. This means I am insulting other people
b. This means that if someone else "works hard", they deserve the same income?
Because if not, what point do you if you support the OP article response?
 
whysoserious said:
If you want to call living in poverty that... ok.
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Of course it's OK. I'll go a step further. It's GOOD. It's IDEAL.

Please understand that most people can, do, and probably should, start their work career at an entry level job. I did. Most people I know had a min wage job, and were quite poor in their early twenties. Why is that not OK? I cannot imagine what reasoning is taking place in your mind that would have you write that.

Furthermore, according to you, it's THEIR CHOICE. That is, you claimed that most anyone within reason can work on buliding wealth. So if they choose to pursue that starting at McDonalds (I have friends that did, I chose a grocery store night stocker!)....
1. Why would you suggest everyone should feel sorry for them?
2. Why would you personally feel sorry for them?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
There are, of course, a comparable set of things poor people need to stop saying.

The fact is that people generally have a pretty good understanding of the moving parts that make up their own lives and those of their neighbors, and no clue whatsoever about the lives of others outside of their social, business, religious or geographic circles. This leads to misconceptions, prejudice, and miscommunication on a grand scale.

It isn't a problem reserved for the rich.
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This essentially hits the nail on the head.

So much of this debate stems from miscommunication due to people having different frames of reference.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Thanks for highlighting this.
Rich and poor alike, need to stop beating each other up.
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A lot of people have many morals in common, but different ways of expressing them, which leads to people fighting over ... nothing.
 
whysoserious said:
If you want to call living in poverty that... ok.



Is that number 3? I can't remember.

LOL

You're the second one, too!
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haha Seriously though, its so stupid. To say all those things people are just plain jealous. The truth is in America anyone can get rich, not that it's easy or that its going to happen to everybody, but everybody gets a pretty good shot at making it big here. What else can you ask for?
 
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