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Keridan said:
Not all libertarians are far right. And reducing government is not fascism.

I really seem to have pushed this subject on the thread. I didn't expect the comment to get that much traction.
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Negating the power of the federal government by repealing much of the 20th century reforms puts us right back into the dynamic of the GIlded Age. Corporations will soon rule the land and its kiss fascism on the posterior ... or DIE.
 
Centinel said:
It's funny how you think we're fascists and we think you're fascists. One of us is wrong, I guess. Now, which side is pointing guns at the other and ordering them about?
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How are progressives fascists?
 
haymarket said:
Negating the power of the federal government by repealing much of the 20th century reforms puts us right back into the dynamic of the GIlded Age. Corporations will soon rule the land and its kiss fascism on the posterior ... or DIE.
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We really need a thread on this topic, but I don't want to spend my free time tonight monitoring it. I will start it soon. You need education on libertarians, though.
 
TurtleDude said:
which side is terrified of people being free

sure isn't my side or your's Centinel
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You use the words FREE, FREEDOM and LIBERTY the way a lounge lizard uses the word LOVE at ten minutes before closing time at the bar.

And you want to do exactly the same thing once your words have the desired effect.
 
haymarket said:
You folks helping to empower a new form of fascism upon American is not enough reason to hate the ersatz ideology?!?!?!?! :doh

If that is not enough, I have no idea what would satisfy you. shock:
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I must have skipped the chapter where Mussolini preached self governance and Self-regulating free-market economics.
 
Centinel said:
Nope. I have no intentions of ruling over my fellow man, and it doesn't sound like you do either. Oooh we're just a couple of scary fascists...
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Of course you don't. You are merely useful idiots, dupes, tissues to be used to wipe with and then flushed away. And as you swirl down the bowl you will hit yourself in the forehead realizing what you have done.
 
haymarket said:
Of course you don't. You are merely useful idiots, dupes, tissues to be used to wipe with and then flushed away. And as you swirl down the bowl you will hit yourself in the forehead realizing what you have done.
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Some specifics would be nice instead of generalities that add up to jack ****.
 
haymarket said:
You use the words FREE, FREEDOM and LIBERTY the way a lounge lizard uses the word LOVE at ten minutes before closing time at the bar.

And you want to do exactly the same thing once your words have the desired effect.
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You have your reptiles confused. I am a turtle not a lizard. Don't make that mistake again!!!:mrgreen:
 
Centinel said:
How are libertarians fascists?
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I think some welfare-socialists see both groups as enemies and then lumps them all together
 
haymarket said:
Of course you don't. You are merely useful idiots, dupes, tissues to be used to wipe with and then flushed away. And as you swirl down the bowl you will hit yourself in the forehead realizing what you have done.
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that's how most of us feel about welfare socialists who do the bidding of power hungry fascists like Obama, Kerry, Schumer and other lefties who sing the praises of democratic socialism but are really stalinists at heart
 
haymarket said:
Of course you don't. You are merely useful idiots, dupes, tissues to be used to wipe with and then flushed away. And as you swirl down the bowl you will hit yourself in the forehead realizing what you have done.
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By that guy who sells me vegetables at the farmers market, right? I just know he's up to something...
 
haymarket said:
You really have a great deal of misdirected anger bordering on rage.

So far you scream and yell at me but have reproduced nothing that I said that was factually wrong. You have provided NO FACTS of any kind which prove me wrong. You seem to know a great deal about unpleasant presents around your house so I will not take up too much of your time. But if you ever do want to actually engage in an honest discussion, please do reproduce my post and tell me exactly what is factually in error.
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I already reproduced your exact words...then had to immediately afterwards apologize to retarded people for assuming one of them made the post instead of you. Im trying to be good...so stop baiting me.
 
TurtleDude said:
You have your reptiles confused. I am a turtle not a lizard. Don't make that mistake again!!!:mrgreen:
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cute... but I was right in the first comparison. ;)
 
VanceMack said:
I already reproduced your exact words...then had to immediately afterwards apologize to retarded people for assuming one of them made the post instead of you. Im trying to be good...so stop baiting me.
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reproducing what you claim is my words does nothing to discredit them or provide verification or evidence for what was incorrect about them.
 
Centinel said:
How are libertarians fascists?
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On the surface you are not. You are merely dupes and useful idiots to be used to achieve those ends by far right authoritarians who will turn the nation to fascism once a strong federal government has been reduced to relative impotency and powerlessness in your holy.. or that would be unholy ... drive to decrease the power and scope of government all in the name of Lew Rockwell and Ayn Rand. Once the power of the government is neutralized, corporate power will rise unabated and we will all be on the ROAD TO SERFDOM.

And you will realize your sins far too late to atone for them as we all suffer and the precious LIBERTY you professed to love is a fond memory and you will only have yourselves to blame.
 
haymarket said:
On the surface you are not. You are merely dupes and useful idiots to be used to achieve those ends by far right authoritarians who will turn the nation to fascism once a strong federal government has been reduced to relative impotency and powerlessness in your holy.. or that would be unholy ... drive to decrease the power and scope of government all in the name of Lew Rockwell and Ayn Rand. Once the power of the government is neutralized, corporate power will rise unabated and we will all be on the ROAD TO SERFDOM.

And you will realize your sins far too late to atone for them as we all suffer and the precious LIBERTY you professed to love is a fond memory and you will only have yourselves to blame.
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Fascism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
haymarket said:
On the surface you are not. You are merely dupes and useful idiots to be used to achieve those ends by far right authoritarians who will turn the nation to fascism once a strong federal government has been reduced to relative impotency and powerlessness in your holy.. or that would be unholy ... drive to decrease the power and scope of government all in the name of Lew Rockwell and Ayn Rand. Once the power of the government is neutralized, corporate power will rise unabated and we will all be on the ROAD TO SERFDOM.

And you will realize your sins far too late to atone for them as we all suffer and the precious LIBERTY you professed to love is a fond memory and you will only have yourselves to blame.
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So you're saying what exactly? That businesses will become gangs of bandits and enslave us all and force us to pay taxes to them or something?
 
haymarket said:
On the surface you are not. You are merely dupes and useful idiots to be used to achieve those ends by far right authoritarians who will turn the nation to fascism once a strong federal government has been reduced to relative impotency and powerlessness in your holy.. or that would be unholy ... drive to decrease the power and scope of government all in the name of Lew Rockwell and Ayn Rand. Once the power of the government is neutralized, corporate power will rise unabated and we will all be on the ROAD TO SERFDOM.

And you will realize your sins far too late to atone for them as we all suffer and the precious LIBERTY you professed to love is a fond memory and you will only have yourselves to blame.
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LOL you are afraid of business people running the country so your solution is a massive federal government running the country.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL you are afraid of business people running the country so your solution is a massive federal government running the country.
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Could you quote the part of my post which says this please?

Again, you take something that is nothing of the kind, pervert it, distort it , turn it into a Frankensteins monster creation of your own making and then pretend to offer it as some sort of refutation to my views.

Amazing. Simply amazing.
 
Centinel said:
So you're saying what exactly?
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I already said it. Go back and read again. And this time leave out your own twisted interpretation which only distorts and alters my meaning.
 
haymarket said:
Could you quote the part of my post which says this please?

Again, you take something that is nothing of the kind, pervert it, distort it , turn it into a Frankensteins monster creation of your own making and then pretend to offer it as some sort of refutation to my views.

Amazing. Simply amazing.
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you complain about the right decreasing the power of the federal government.

its amazing stuff we see

the left complains about too much money being concentrated in the hands of several million "rich people" so the solution is to concentrate that money in the hands of 600 or so rich politicians

the left complains about the power corporations-which don't have armies, nukes, thousands of armed agents, or the legal power to imprison or kill people-so the solution is to give even more power to an entity that can kill and imprison people
 
haymarket said:
reproducing what you claim is my words does nothing to discredit them or provide verification or evidence for what was incorrect about them.
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I know...I used the very stealthy and secretely masked ploy of citing your words verbatum... :ninja:
 
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you complain about the right decreasing the power of the federal government.
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and ...... you find that wrong because.............??????? you ended the phrase far too soon before you explained your comment regarding mine.

its amazing stuff we see

the left complains about too much money being concentrated in the hands of several million "rich people" so the solution is to concentrate that money in the hands of 600 or so rich politicians
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Actually it is the duly Constitutional government of the American people. You seem to have trouble with that idea and indeed that very principle.

the left complains about the power corporations-which don't have armies, nukes, thousands of armed agents, or the legal power to imprison or kill people-so the solution is to give even more power to an entity that can kill and imprison people
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The left has plenty of concern for proper use of governmental powers and the left has a history of protesting and demonstrating against such abuses. Would you like me to link to several examples?
 
VanceMack said:
I know...I used the very stealthy and secretely masked ploy of citing your words verbatum... :ninja:
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Reproducing my words verbatim does nothing by itself. It is a gesture which says nothing. If you find something inaccurate or factualy wrong with the words I write, then (1) do reproduce them and then (2) provide some verifiable evidence to refute them. That is where you FAIL utterly and completely in your anger against me. You seem to have a great deal of trouble with step two in the process.

You expressing anger or contempt about my posts is a empty gesture that is meaningless to debate. Its just venting and blowing off steam which may produce some heat but sheds no light.

That is how debate works.
 
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