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Recently I posted this comment on a liberal blog but the moderators blocked the comment. As far as I can tell the comment was not in violation of their comments policy. It should go without saying that it's well within their prerogative to block comments for any reason...just like it's within my prerogative to come on here and shake my fist. Personally...I think that they blocked my comment because they recognized the validity of my points. Obviously I'm biased though.

What are your thoughts? Was it me...or them? Was my comment too long, rude, preachy, stupid, irrelevant...? Or maybe I just included too many links to my blog? I value self-awareness so any guesses are welcome!

While you're at it feel free to comment on the topic as well. Perhaps we can compare the results between moderated and unmoderated discussion.
 
Most liberal debate groups and blogs view censorship as a standard day to day operation. I've been booted from quite a few liberal debate forums in my day, and have not once violated TOS, simply stated things that went contrary to the mantra.
 
I would say most political blogs or forums on the net, whether they are right leaning or left leaning, censor people routinely. People with power often don't know how to use it.

Censorship happens here too but it seems to be more in accordance with maintaining order than it is crushing political opponents.
 
I don't know the background of where you were posting nor your history with them but I will note that most sites don't have much love for using your own blog as verification for your points.
 
Recently I posted this comment on a liberal blog but the moderators blocked the comment. As far as I can tell the comment was not in violation of their comments policy. It should go without saying that it's well within their prerogative to block comments for any reason...just like it's within my prerogative to come on here and shake my fist. Personally...I think that they blocked my comment because they recognized the validity of my points. Obviously I'm biased though.

What are your thoughts? Was it me...or them? Was my comment too long, rude, preachy, stupid, irrelevant...? Or maybe I just included too many links to my blog? I value self-awareness so any guesses are welcome!

While you're at it feel free to comment on the topic as well. Perhaps we can compare the results between moderated and unmoderated discussion.

You'd have probably been moderated here for fair use violation. Can't comment on "why" as I don't know anything about the blog. But blatant self-promotion, especially if you're new to a forum, would probably be seen as self-serving....spam.

This smacks of something that was posted, not to follow on with any ongoing discussion, but simply to "get it off your chest." Doesn't seem spontaneous to me. I'd almost put money on that. Perhaps the moderators didn't think it was relevant to the discussion at hand.

At any rate, here's their policy: Comments policy — Crooked Timber -- If you read it with an open mind, I think you can probably figure it out for yourself.
 
Most liberal debate groups and blogs view censorship as a standard day to day operation. I've been booted from quite a few liberal debate forums in my day, and have not once violated TOS, simply stated things that went contrary to the mantra.

It's not just liberal debate groups. Try to edit an article for balance at Conservapedia if you don't believe me.
 
Recently I posted this comment on a liberal blog but the moderators blocked the comment. As far as I can tell the comment was not in violation of their comments policy. It should go without saying that it's well within their prerogative to block comments for any reason...just like it's within my prerogative to come on here and shake my fist. Personally...I think that they blocked my comment because they recognized the validity of my points. Obviously I'm biased though.

What are your thoughts? Was it me...or them? Was my comment too long, rude, preachy, stupid, irrelevant...? Or maybe I just included too many links to my blog? I value self-awareness so any guesses are welcome!

While you're at it feel free to comment on the topic as well. Perhaps we can compare the results between moderated and unmoderated discussion.

Personally, I don't care.

If I'm going to a site and they block a comment then all I do is refuse to go to that site.

If a site is nothing more than an echo chamber then I don't see the point in visiting it. By not visiting it, I reduce its ad pings, if it has any.

Truth be told, by complaining about that site you probably gave it more exposure that it's had in a long time.
 
samsmart...well...in my original post I said "shake my fist". Whenever I *shake my fist* it means that I really don't care too much about it. Really I was just was curious to hear other people's perspectives on the topic.

If anything perhaps the readers of the Crooked Liberal blog might stumble upon this thread and wonder just how many opposing viewpoints are being blocked.

I don't mind giving their blog more exposure...I'm all about giving opposing viewpoints more exposure. That's the basic premise of pragmatarianism...we all have some information but nobody has all the information. We're all just blind men feeling different parts of an elephant. We're all just blind men arguing over the scope of the government.

In order to determine the true scope of government we need a system that allows taxpayers to directly allocate their taxes. Their allocation decisions would reflect the information that they have access to. Millions and millions of taxpayers have access to far more information than all the congresspeople have access to.
 
I have been kicked off several lib forums for doing nothing but pointing out where libs were wrong or the radio host sponsoring the forum was wrong. Libs hate being presented with facts and figures and won't tolerate it. Once I sorta had it coming though, I said "lib scum" and was immediately executed but that was only after I had been called every four letter word there is and those people weren't banned. Theres a bit of a double standard in Randi's forum. :lol:
 
Libs hate being presented with facts and figures and won't tolerate it.

No you see this is incorrect.

Partisan hacks hate being presented with facts and figures.

Whether right or left.

No side has a monopoly on Universal Knowledge on what's 100% right.

Saying "Libs this" and "Libs that" simply shows your own hackery and ignorance.
 
Jetboogieman, given that you and I both agree that neither side has a monopoly on knowledge...would you support allowing taxpayers to directly allocate their taxes?
 
No you see this is incorrect.

Partisan hacks hate being presented with facts and figures.

Whether right or left.

No side has a monopoly on Universal Knowledge on what's 100% right.

Saying "Libs this" and "Libs that" simply shows your own hackery and ignorance.

I disagree, libs lie deceive and distort. Cons as a rule are willing to discuss their views and try to convince you they are right. Libs tend to lie about what they really want in order to lull you into a false comfort zone so they can sneak their real agenda in. Take obama care for instance, it is the first step in his plant to ultimately have a single payer health care system because he knows if he honestly proposed that system it would be rejected. Then theres global warming, just a way to trick people and drive up the cost of fossil fuel because greens hate coal and oil so they manufacture a dire emergency. I once saw a huge billboard the Sierra Club had on the interstate that showed an area that had been catastrophically burned. The caption said, "This is logging". They were forced to take it down when the truth came out, I could go on forever but I hope you get my point.
 
RE: title of thread

YES it still IS censorship -> and if the comment did not in fact violate their own policies at all, the type that is IMO morally disgusting too from the perspective of intellectually honest debate/discussion. Not that there is much that can be done, but still...
 
I disagree, libs lie deceive and distort. Cons as a rule are willing to discuss their views and try to convince you they are right. Libs tend to lie about what they really want in order to lull you into a false comfort zone so they can sneak their real agenda in. Take obama care for instance, it is the first step in his plant to ultimately have a single payer health care system because he knows if he honestly proposed that system it would be rejected. Then theres global warming, just a way to trick people and drive up the cost of fossil fuel because greens hate coal and oil so they manufacture a dire emergency. I once saw a huge billboard the Sierra Club had on the interstate that showed an area that had been catastrophically burned. The caption said, "This is logging". They were forced to take it down when the truth came out, I could go on forever but I hope you get my point.

You're just making yourself look even more foolish. You've been so convinced by the Right - Left divide your media created that you've convinced yourself of this trollop.

Which is fine I suppose I mean, if ignorance is bliss you're probably more happy and content then I am.

Sometimes I wish I saw life this simply.
 
Here's another comment that the Crooked Timber liberals did not publish...Economic Fairytales.

So they do not want you to publish your propaganda on their propaganda site? Color me surprised.

By the way, your advertising of your blog is kinda transparent.
 
So they do not want you to publish your propaganda on their propaganda site? Color me surprised.

By the way, your advertising of your blog is kinda transparent.

Right now you're advertising your thoughts on my thoughts...so what? Isn't that the purpose of a forum for political debate? When I link to relevant threads on this forum ... does it mean that I'm advertising this forum?

My thoughts are on political tolerance...your thoughts are on political dogma. My thoughts are on empowering taxpayers while your thoughts are on empowering congresspeople. People have been debating your thoughts since taxes were first invented but nobody has seriously considered allowing taxpayers to directly allocate their taxes. Why not? Here are a couple reasons why...

1. people have forgotten the historical origins of the power of the purse
2. people do not understand how the invisible hand works

If I've posted content on my blog that's relevant to both topics then yeah, I'll just link to the relevant content rather than copying and pasting every single time somebody says..."oh noes...but IMPORTANT government organizations would be underfunded!!" It's intellectually fascinating for me to try and figure out just how many of you are going to say "oh noes...but IMPORTANT government organizations would be underfunded!!" before the majority of participants on here come to understand that those type of concerns are exactly why important public goods would NOT be underfunded.

Everybody is capable of identifying shortages of the public goods that they value the most. The point is to recognize, respect...or at least tolerate other people's values.
 
It's not just liberal debate groups. Try to edit an article for balance at Conservapedia if you don't believe me.

Articles at a place called "Conservapedia" are not balanced by definition.

I wonder why anyone would read it, knowing that they are going to get a slanted view, but whatever. Some people just want their own biases confirmed so they feel good about themselves.
 
I disagree, libs lie deceive and distort. Cons as a rule are willing to discuss their views and try to convince you they are right.

The huge irony is that you are being biased about bias.

Plenty of conservatives lie, deceive and distort, as do plenty of liberals.
 
Articles at a place called "Conservapedia" are not balanced by definition.

I wonder why anyone would read it
, knowing that they are going to get a slanted view, but whatever. Some people just want their own biases confirmed so they feel good about themselves.

Because it is hilarious.
 
I was kicked off a conservative forum for suggesting that nuclear weapons were not covered by the second amendment.

"What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand?"

But yeah, it's liberals who censor everyone conservatives would never do such a terrible thing.



Xero - you were promoting your website without permission. That tends to be frowned upon.

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The article is also stupid. What, some guy wrote an article a century and a half ago? Clearly it's gospel and can never be challenged, us stupid liberals just wont accept it.

Pragmatarianism has the same horrifying oversight that Communism has - failure to understand human nature completely.
 
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Xero - you were promoting your website without permission. That tends to be frowned upon.

Deuce, in my comment I linked to three different websites...

  1. The Library of Economics and Liberty - What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen, The Use of Knowledge in Society
  2. My blog - Pragmatarianism - The Dialectic of Unintended Consequences, The Opportunity Cost of Public Goods, Deontological Ethics vs Pragmatic Ethics
  3. The Coordination Problem blog - Team Keynes vs Team Hayek
...so I'm not sure if you're saying that I only need to ask permission to link to my website...or whether I need to ask permission to link to any website. Out of curiosity...have you ever shared a link on this forum? If so, who did you ask permission from?

The article is also stupid. What, some guy wrote an article a century and a half ago? Clearly it's gospel and can never be challenged, us stupid liberals just wont accept it.

Eh, actually, the prominent Keynesian/liberal economists that I know of all accept Bastiat's opportunity cost concept in that article. It forms the basis of our economic system. They agree that the invisible hand can, via "opportunity costs" and "partial knowledge", allocate resources more efficiently than planners can.

The disagreement is over the extent of .... Liberals believe it's a big problem while libertarians believe that it only applies to national defense, the courts and the police.

In my comment on the liberal blog I was referring to liberals like you and anybody else who still erroneously believes that planners can allocate resources more efficiently than the invisible hand can.

Pragmatarianism has the same horrifying oversight that Communism has - failure to understand human nature completely.

Here are the possible scenarios on the individual level...

A. Somebody does not value any public goods. Why would they bother to directly allocate their taxes if they don't care about any public goods? It would be easier for them to just give their taxes to congress.

B. Somebody does value some public goods.
1. they do not observe any shortages of the public goods that they value....so they would just give their taxes to congress.
2. they observe shortages of the public goods that they value...so they would directly allocate their taxes in order to help try and address these shortages.

Where's the problem?

Here's the problem... You think that planners can efficiently allocate resources without taking people's true values into account. Do you know why this is impossible? It's impossible because your values are unique. Yes, the economy would do just fine if you never directly purchased another private good for the rest of your life. But each time you take a consumer's true values out of the economy the supply of available goods becomes more and more skewed. In other words...the allocation of public goods become more and more inefficient. This is why socialist experiments have always failed...and it's also why our "car" keeps ending up in the "ditch"...to steal Obama's favorite analogy.

It's just impossible for 538 people to adequately guess what all our values are. Compared to congress...you have a much better idea what my values are. Obviously I spend a decent amount of time (time=money) trying to promote a system that allows people to use their time/money to try and determine the supply of public goods. The only way we can effectively communicate our values is by putting our money/time where our mouths are. Which is why taxpayers should be allowed to directly allocate their individual taxes.

Society, as a whole, would be better off. But...I have no idea exactly how much better off we would be. All I know for certain is that it's good to have choices in life and pragmatarianism offers a new choice that's certainly worth some serious consideration.
 
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