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    Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Does anybody have any interesting arguments against subjecting government organizations (GOs) to survival of the fittest? The process would simply involve allowing taxpayers to directly allocate their taxes among the various GOs at anytime throughout the year.

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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Does anybody have any interesting arguments against subjecting government organizations (GOs) to survival of the fittest? The process would simply involve allowing taxpayers to directly allocate their taxes among the various GOs at anytime throughout the year.
    You mean subject a government to the discipline of profit and loss based on their ability to cost-effectively produce a product for which customers willingly pay, like all other businesses?

    What would then differentiate government from any other business?

    On the face of it, I'm in favor.
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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Centinel, oh, yeah...you put it so well.

    The only difference between public and private organizations would be that people would have to allocate a certain percentage of their income to organizations in the public sector. Nobody forces you to spend any money on non-profit or for-profit organizations...but the IRS would just ensure that you "donated" enough of your money to the GOs of your choosing.

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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Centinel, oh, yeah...you put it so well.

    The only difference between public and private organizations would be that people would have to allocate a certain percentage of their income to organizations in the public sector. Nobody forces you to spend any money on non-profit or for-profit organizations...but the IRS would just ensure that you "donated" enough of your money to the GOs of your choosing.
    Even that's a damn sight better than we have now. Sure, count me in.

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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    No. It's idiotic.

    Free market principles don't work in things other than markets. Market forces require things like informed customers, freedom of choice, and competition. You have exactly none of those things when it comes to, say, maintaining a power grid or highway infrastructure.

    Off the top of your head: How many food inspectors are sufficient to ensure acceptable food safety?

    People would have no way of knowing how well funds were being allocated. (your online progress bar wouldn't work. it can't update live and 3/4 of the population sends in their taxes in the last week before they're due)
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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Deuce...so the survival of the fittest concept only applies to businesses?

    Off the top of your head...how many data centers does Google maintain?

    If the FDA wasn't receiving enough funds...but nobody noticed...does it really matter?

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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Deuce...so the survival of the fittest concept only applies to businesses?

    Off the top of your head...how many data centers does Google maintain?

    If the FDA wasn't receiving enough funds...but nobody noticed...does it really matter?
    People would notice after the number of deaths went up. I'm sure the flood of funding to the FDA afterwards would make their families feel better, except now our roads are falling apart because they weren't in the news this week.
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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    You mean after roads and food safety, the efficacy of government falls off fast?

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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Does anybody have any interesting arguments against subjecting government organizations (GOs) to survival of the fittest? The process would simply involve allowing taxpayers to directly allocate their taxes among the various GOs at anytime throughout the year.
    Personally, I think they should run a government agency like a business in this way. Define certain key indices, give the managers a budget and a good deal of autonomy on meeting those indices, if they reduce cost, they get a substantial bonus, if they increase cost, they do not. If they increase their numbers they get a bonus, if not, then not.

    Every few years, any agency in a group of agencies for whatever metric gets cut if its the lowest performing and that money goes towards the highest performing.

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    Re: Survival of the Fittest Government Organizations?

    Deuce, so the people over at the FDA aren't going to say or do anything about losing substantial funding...and the families of people who are sick aren't going to say or do anything either?

    Perhaps it might help if you read this relatively short and simple article on how markets work...A Marvel of Cooperation: How Order Emerges without a Conscious Planner.

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