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Why Are Some Americans So Shockingly Cruel?

Daddyo said:
The people starting this "myth" know it isn't true so IMO its a lie.

Lying works. They understand that only those with honesty and a desire for the truth will research the facts. This of course means that conservatives won't be fooled. The rest however will slurp it up the lie like an Aardvark on a termite mound.
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Your posts already show who are the ones that have been fooled - the ones that don't mind working and turning more of their money to the government, but "delight" in the rich getting tax cuts. And honesty and Republican in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
 
Enola said:
I was wondering the same thing earlier (why people are so cruel). I was reading the comments on the Ellen Degeneres mansion. It is a beautiful house and she and Porchia must be thrilled to live there. But the comments? Fag this, carpet munchers that, they will burn in hell, how dare they show off their home, blah blah blah. Sickening comments from evil, envious, nasty minded people.
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Hey, these are the same people that want Ellen to keep her tax cuts. So, it isn't really out of generosity they are doing it, if they call her all sorts of names, but rather out of ignorance?
 
TurtleDude said:
its a fair question given that 51% now don't. in other words its a question that has about an even chance of being answered either yes or no
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It was an ignorant question, where the poster was insinuating, like you are, too, that I don't pay any taxes.

It would behoove you to find out why 51% of Americans didn't pay taxes. Considering that conservatives want to claim they are the most charitable, your comments along with those of other conservatives continuously contradict that notion. Your defense of the Tax Cuts for the rich and whining about the poor would lead one to believe that you hate the poor. Why would anyone give to charity if they hate the recipients?

I know that I have provided the following information to you before, but like the dishonesty that is so common among conservatives, you ignore it and continue to spew your nonsense.

A recent finding by Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation that 51 percent of households owed no federal income tax in 2009 [1] is being used to advance the argument that low- and moderate-income families do not pay sufficient taxes. Apart from the fact that most of those who make this argument also call for maintaining or increasing all of the tax cuts of recent years for people at the top of the income scale, the 51 percent figure, its significance, and its policy implications are widely misunderstood.
  • The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired.
  • The 51 percent figure covers only the federal income tax and ignores the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay . As a result, it greatly overstates the share of households that do not pay any federal taxes. Data from the Urban Institute-Brookings Tax Policy Center show only about 14 percent of households paid neither federal income tax nor payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[3]
    [*]This percentage would be even lower if federal excise taxes on gasoline and other items were taken into account.







 
just about everyone can pay SOME federal income taxes and maybe if they did they might be just a little less quick to demand more and more government because they might have to pay for it
 
Why is income inequality so bad? Is it really just because really really rich people shouldn't live in the same country as really really poor people? I have heard arguments that income inequality slows economic growth which could be valid that would need a sensible solution, but it certianly shouldn't be a moral issue because we can't legislate morality. See Roe V. Wade. (please note the sarcasm, "you can't legislate morality" is completely vapid)

Also, what legal justification do we have for this "steal from the rich and give to the poor" approach to fiscal policy? Just because its government mandated doesn't mean it's not stealing. Its wrong for a poor man to steal from a rich man, but its good for a poor man to vote for someone to do it for him?

Granted, Donald Trump should do more for the poor, but so should I! We can't and shouldn't force Donald Trump to do the right thing, but we can do the right thing without him. Poverty isn't always the result of not having enough money. People win the lotto and within months are in the same situation. The best way to fix poverty is neighbor-to-nieghbor empowerment and a love for your fellow man that comes at personal sacrifice. Entitlements have destroyed American charity.

Here is an interesting article. What I want you to take from it is that simply slinging money at something doesn't fix a problem. Don't get hung up on the pro-religious sentiment, but instead note that poverty won't end once we finally get enough of the "NAZI bankers" money. It will end when we finally say, "I probably can't help as many people as Donald Trump can, but I can help this person." or "It'll be tough, but I can open my home to this foster child."

As an atheist, I truly believe Africa needs God | Matthew Parris - Times Online
 
evanescence said:
Celebrities are also a parasitic class of people, imo.
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How do you figure?

evanescence said:
While we're dealing with the waste and fraud concerning the low echelons of society, it would be wise to deal with the vast amount a waste and fraud concerning the extremely wealthy. Why not start with the trillions the treasury "loaned" to corporations and banks? Many of those giant entities were not even American.
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What waste and fraud of the low eschelons? Explain please.


evanescence said:
Quantitative Easing is a major source of our problems. I agree that raising taxes is the wrong approach especially since the government is wasteful and corrupt. Truthfully, I don't think that much can be done at this point to turn things around- but that being said, I am a cynic.
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I don't understand you. You say you are unwilling to disclose your political lean, but you note Rand. Are you afraid to tell everyone you're a conservative Republican?

Your posts have a nebulous quality to them.
 
Kane said:
How do you figure?



What waste and fraud of the low eschelons? Explain please.




I don't understand you. You say you are unwilling to disclose your political lean, but you note Rand. Are you afraid to tell everyone you're a conservative Republican?

Your posts have a nebulous quality to them.
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You totally missed the point of that post. Certain members were complaining about how poor people are parasites, and my rebuttal was that there are vast amounts of waste and corruption that funnels public funds into the coffers of the fantastically rich. They are more parasitic than any of the poor.

And what waste you ask? Government waste is found everywhere. That's what the government does. It wastes money. And time. It is mostly a bumbling, ineffective, overbearing bureaucracy. If something should take 10 months and cost $10 million dollars, the government would take 10 years, and the project would cost $10 billion dollars. The pentagon can't even manage to keep track of over two trillion dollars in a single year.

Also, often times I quote Rand to throw a monkey wrench at some of the foaming at the mouth libertarians here. I do have a libertarian lean, but I also acknowledge that the wealthy can be just as likely to be lazy parasites as the poor. Having money doesn't mean someone worked hard and earned it.

And ****ing mother of christ I am not a Republican.
 
You said low eschelons of society - the examples you gave were wealthy establishment/big govmnt. That is the opposite of lower class.
 
You still didn't say how the lower class commit fraud, and why celebs are parasites.
 
Kane said:
You still didn't say how the lower class commit fraud, and why celebs are parasites.
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Some people on welfare do commit crimes such as doctor shopping and using their state funded insurance to acquire prescription drugs to either abuse or sell. There are also some people who lie about income to obtain benefits. That's what I mean by fraud. What I wanted to concentrate on is the parasite comment. There are many people here who believe that poor people are parasites because they receive welfare. My point was, many of them are, and yet the bigger problem is the fraud, corruption, and entitlement of many people in the upper class realm. I hope that clears things up a bit. I know my views are unusual.
As far as celebrities are concerned-and this is just my opinion-most of them are utterly useless human beings. They provide a crappy product for over inflated prices, and many of them are self important pricks. I especially hate the hollywood tree hugger types. They drive limos, SUVs, have private jets, and big fancy mansions, and yet the rest of us need to cut back?? And then the druggie celebs. And I'm suppose to feel sorry for them- why? They're pathetic. Just my opinion/
 
evanescence said:
Some people on welfare do commit crimes such as doctor shopping and using their state funded insurance to acquire prescription drugs to either abuse or sell. There are also some people who lie about income to obtain benefits. That's what I mean by fraud. What I wanted to concentrate on is the parasite comment. There are many people here who believe that poor people are parasites because they receive welfare. My point was, many of them are, and yet the bigger problem is the fraud, corruption, and entitlement of many people in the upper class realm. I hope that clears things up a bit. I know my views are unusual.
As far as celebrities are concerned-and this is just my opinion-most of them are utterly useless human beings. They provide a crappy product for over inflated prices, and many of them are self important pricks. I especially hate the hollywood tree hugger types. They drive limos, SUVs, have private jets, and big fancy mansions, and yet the rest of us need to cut back?? And then the druggie celebs. And I'm suppose to feel sorry for them- why? They're pathetic. Just my opinion/
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I witnessed a man w/ a Golf cart steal a handicapped spot from an old lady last week. When the old lady scolded him saying he was not disabled, he yelled - " I dont give a ----."

Honestly, lady. No offense - but I think you're a closet Republican. That abuse you underlined is the most contrived, over used excuse of big business. Honestly - hosts Jon and Ken used it to argue that there is not enough money in the system to have universal healthcare. Beware of cliches from the corp. media!
 
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Enola said:
I was wondering the same thing earlier (why people are so cruel). I was reading the comments on the Ellen Degeneres mansion. It is a beautiful house and she and Porchia must be thrilled to live there. But the comments? Fag this, carpet munchers that, they will burn in hell, how dare they show off their home, blah blah blah. Sickening comments from evil, envious, nasty minded people.
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They're not evil. They're just pig ignorant.
 
TurtleDude said:
just about everyone can pay SOME federal income taxes and maybe if they did they might be just a little less quick to demand more and more government because they might have to pay for it
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I've heard it all - here's one that defends the Tax Cuts for the rich - but wants to squeeze blood out of a turnip. Did it occur to you that these people are barely making it? Of course not, I forgot, you don't really much care.
 
Kane said:
You said low eschelons of society - the examples you gave were wealthy establishment/big govmnt. That is the opposite of lower class.
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Some on the right are complaining that the super poor don't pay much in taxes - while at the same defending the millions that go to the super wealthy and corporations.
 
Disdain for the less fortunate started originally (as an organizing principle) by Rush and other Right Wing talk radio. So it seems it comes from the top media barons on down to the masses. Until Rush became a public icon in the 90's, cruelty towards the lower / middle class was never a facet of the American psyche.
With the advent of Fox News the disdain became common also with local affiliates, the mindset took root.
 
Kane said:
I witnessed a man w/ a Golf cart steal a handicapped spot from an old lady last week. When the old lady scolded him saying he was not disabled, he yelled - " I dont give a ----."

Honestly, lady. No offense - but I think you're a closet Republican. That abuse you underlined is the most contrived, over used excuse of big business. Honestly - hosts Jon and Ken used it to argue that there is not enough money in the system to have universal healthcare. Beware of cliches from the corp. media!
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That's ridiculous. Look, if you want to pigeon hole me with a political label, be my guess. I think it's poor debating tactics, but whatever/ There is fraud on every level of society. I already pointed out that the upper class is more guilty of fraud and corruption than any other class. What else do you want? Welfare fraud does exist. I didn't argue that welfare should be eliminated. Republicans believe in Big government. I DO NOT. So please don't ever refer to me as a Republican again. I consider that a personal insult.
 
evanescence said:
That's ridiculous. Look, if you want to pigeon hole me with a political label, be my guess. I think it's poor debating tactics, but whatever/ There is fraud on every level of society. I already pointed out that the upper class is more guilty of fraud and corruption than any other class. What else do you want? Welfare fraud does exist. I didn't argue that welfare should be eliminated. Republicans believe in Big government. I DO NOT. So please don't ever refer to me as a Republican again. I consider that a personal insult.
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looks like someone touched off a nerve lol
 
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