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I was wondering if anybody is able to tell me what the President has done or is doing wrong, but here's the caveat. Without insulting either his or my intelligence.

Are you who hold him in lesser esteem able to do that? I'll buy a platinum membership for whoever puts forth the best game. Automatic disqualification will occur for the following causes:

1) If you either state or imply he is not legally entitled or able to serve

2) if you either state or imply that he's unintelligent (see: Harvard Law Review, Columbia University, honors unproven, etc)

3) If you attempt to play down what he has rightfully and actually achieved.

Any takers?
 
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Let's see... where to start.

Usurping the power to declare war from Congress by engaging in Libya. Failure to uphold his oath of office and permitting Congress's abuses of power by not vetoing bills that are repugnant to the Constitution of the United States ie pretty much every bill Congress writes. Usurping the power of the House of Representatives on the appropriation of money by pushing his budget. Issuing Executive Orders that have the force of law in violation of the Constitution of the United States since only Congress has the authority to pass laws.

That's just the short list off the top of my head.
 
The_Patriot said:
Issuing Executive Orders that have the force of law in violation of the Constitution of the United States since only Congress has the authority to pass laws.
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Specifically? I'm hoping for more detailed answers, but this is a good first post. :)
 
BDBoop said:
Specifically? I'm hoping for more detailed answers, but this is a good first post. :)
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EO 13552: US Manual for Courts-Martial. Only Congress has the authority to set the standards of training and general functions of the military plus the ability to create rules and regulations concerning federal courts.

EO: 13510: A waiver for Belarus under the Trade Act of 1974. Only the Senate can approve changes to treaties.

EO 13568: International Organizations Immunities Act provision extension. Only the Senate can approve changes to existing treaties.

EO 13524: He defined Interpol as a Public International Organization Entitled to Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities. Once again only the Senate can do this under treaties.

EO 13525: Adjustments to Certain Rates of Pay: Only the House can propose changes in pay with the Senate concurring on the spending of money.

That's just the short list.
 
He swore up and down to the American people that if elected he would close Gitmo.

Obviously, a broken promise.
 
The_Patriot said:
EO 13552: US Manual for Courts-Martial. Only Congress has the authority to set the standards of training and general functions of the military plus the ability to create rules and regulations concerning federal courts.

EO: 13510: A waiver for Belarus under the Trade Act of 1974. Only the Senate can approve changes to treaties.

EO 13568: International Organizations Immunities Act provision extension. Only the Senate can approve changes to existing treaties.

EO 13524: He defined Interpol as a Public International Organization Entitled to Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities. Once again only the Senate can do this under treaties.

EO 13525: Adjustments to Certain Rates of Pay: Only the House can propose changes in pay with the Senate concurring on the spending of money.

That's just the short list.
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So how is this even happening?
 
1.)He's spending waaaaay too much money. It's only one thing, but it's so huge that it makes it hard for him to be a decent president, even if he was doing everything else perfectly, which he isn't.

2.)lack of transparency

3.)warrantless wiretaps

4.)Libya

5.)supports capital punishment

6.)activist judges

7.)opposition to gay marriage

8.)opposes legalizing drugs

9.)extension of the Patriot Act

10.)encouraging people to forward emails to the White house

11.)hired a communist as a czar

12.)dropped the case against the NBP

13.)supports abortion
 
BDBoop said:
So how is this even happening?
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Because Congress and the Courts have given this power to the President. The only two upsides to EO is that it can be overturned by the next president and it only applies to federal workers.
 
BDBoop said:
So how is this even happening?
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Because the people, Congress, and the courts let him get away with it. Our president has far more power then originally envisioned and has more power then King George III when we went to war for independence.
 
mpg said:
1.)He's spending waaaaay too much money. It's only one thing, but it's so huge that it makes it hard for him to be a decent president, even if he was doing everything else perfectly, which he isn't.
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Okay, but way too much of that is simply because a democrat was elected.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Because Congress and the Courts have given this power to the President. The only two upsides to EO is that it can be overturned by the next president and it only applies to federal workers.
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Thank you.
 
The_Patriot said:
Because the people, Congress, and the courts let him get away with it. Our president has far more power then originally envisioned and has more power then King George III when we went to war for independence.
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According to SB, Congress and the courts gave him this power, not "are letting him get away with it."

Why did they do so.

Sorry to all I am using for my civics lesson. :D
 
BDBoop said:
According to SB, Congress and the courts gave him this power, not "are letting him get away with it."

Why did they do so.

Sorry to all I am using for my civics lesson. :D
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Congress and the courts actually lack the power to cede authority to the executive. There is no provision of the Constitution for said transfer of power to take place, so it's unconstitutional. They turn a blind eye so they can use it as an excuse to not be held accountable to the people.

It's okay and I really don't mind. :)
 
BDBoop said:
According to SB, Congress and the courts gave him this power, not "are letting him get away with it."

Why did they do so.

Sorry to all I am using for my civics lesson. :D
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Well Congress can halt some EO. For example, Bush had his Faith Based Initiative which was an executive order. However, it needed funding and Congress did not like the executive order, so they just didn't fund it. So, Congress can act, they just rarely seem to.
 
BDBoop said:
Okay, but way too much of that is simply because a democrat was elected.
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It's not just Democrats that do this. It's politicians of both parties that do it.
 
mpg said:
I'm aware that he's a Democrat. What's your point?
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When you point out things like abortion, that's got nothing to do with the thread query.
 
The_Patriot said:
It's not just Democrats that do this. It's politicians of both parties that do it.
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That do what. He gave me a laundry list, and I'm pretty sure that things such as his issue with abortion go to us having a democratic president.
 
BDBoop said:
That do what. He gave me a laundry list, and I'm pretty sure that things such as his issue with abortion go to us having a democratic president.
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Violate the Constitution of the United States. It's not just one party does it all, but both of them. I was just pointing out that it transcends party lines. ;)
 
BDBoop said:
When you point out things like abortion, that's got nothing to do with the thread query.
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The key word in the OP is "wrong". Unless you're talking about illegalities, it's impossible to prove that he's done anything wrong. I assumed that you were talking about policy, in which case, what's 'right' and what's 'wrong' is purely a matter of opinion, so I gave my opinion. If this thread is about crime, it certainly wasn't obvious in the OP.

Now that I know we're talking about illegalities, I'll shorten my answer.
1.)encouraging people to forward emails to the White House
2.)ignoring his Constitutional duty to enforce DOMA
3.)attempting to institute a national prayer day
4.)continued suspension of habeas corpus
 
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mpg said:
The key word in the OP is "wrong". Unless you're talking about illegalities, it's impossible to prove that he's done anything wrong. I assumed that you were talking about policy, in which case, what's 'right' and what's 'wrong' is purely a matter of opinion, so I gave my opinion. If this thread is about crime, it certainly wasn't obvious in the OP.

Now that I know we're talking about illegalities, I'll shorten my answer.
1.)encouraging people to forward emails to the White House
2.)ignoring his Constitutional duty to enforce DOMA
3.)attempting to institute a national prayer day
4.)continued suspension of habeas corpus
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Thank you, but can you please lengthen your answer? I'm looking for specific examples of the - somebody give me another word for "accusations" that's not so accusatory. ;)
 
mpg said:
2.)ignoring his Constitutional duty to enforce DOMA
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Nevermind. Didn't realize they became publicly against it.

3.)attempting to institute a national prayer day
4.)continued suspension of habeas corpus
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I didn't know about 3, but I agree with you on four.
 
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Emprire. Obama took Bush's rush to empire and raised it 100%.
Many voted for Obama because he promised to take the troops out of Iraq. He didn't.
He promised to close Gitmo. He didn't.
He promised greater transparency in government. That certainly hasn't happened.
Tim Geithner. Need I say more about him?
Banking regulations that would prevent the financial debacle for continuing. Nada, bupkus.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Emprire. Obama took Bush's rush to empire and raised it 100%.
Many voted for Obama because he promised to take the troops out of Iraq. He didn't.
He promised to close Gitmo. He didn't.
He promised greater transparency in government. That certainly hasn't happened.
Tim Geithner. Need I say more about him?
Banking regulations that would prevent the financial debacle for continuing. Nada, bupkus.
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Yes, please.
 
soccerboy22 said:
From my understanding it will still be enforced, but they will not actively seek out cases.



I didn't know about 3, but I agree with you on four.
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I didn't know about 3, either.
 
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