Blind Nationalism - Page 3

aegyptos · 05-11-08, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

New Conservitive.

I didn't think you could. You can't even spell it.

galenrox · 05-11-08, 09:17 PM

I think genuine nationalism would make "blind nationalism" a contradiction in terms. Nationalism is the recognition of our common identity in one of our most significant form of human conglomeration.

dirtpoorchris · 05-11-08, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aegyptos

I didn't think you could. You can't even spell it.

Common man.. With all the crap I troll through of course I know what it is. Im stickin to the topic of Blind Nationalism. I find the more time I spend on here the more I get tired of agrueing.

bhkad · 05-12-08, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ReligiousLeft

This country has a major problem when people think it is wrong for a candidate not to wear a flag pin. Many Conservatives will tell you that they love America, but do they? Conservatives have long been against protecting the environment and in favor of the corporate right to trash the large piece of land we call America. Conservatives also are opponents of social programs to help the American poor and are in favor of Wars that kill Americans.

I do not love America. Based on the last 8 years it is impossible to love America. My love for America is not unconditional. It is based on how the American government acts. George W. Bush has made it impossible to love America.

The American flag is consecrated as a sacred idol for so many people, but why? Is it not just a symbol? Is it not just paint on cloth?

I hope someone will answer of few of these questions!

Ultimately your very survival depends on the viability of the implicit dependence that exists in America, one for and with another.

You can impetuously declare yourself apart from America but we all know you really aren't.

You may express your pique with America, but we all know you couldn't do without it.

So, basically your statement is tantamount to complaining about things you haven't yet reconciled yourself to changing, accepting or even one day, understanding and liking.

I believe a course in comparative governments and nations is in your future and after that your opinions will change.

I love America even though there are things about it that are infuriating or annoying. It doesn't get any better than this. And anyone who believes the grass is greener elsewhere is invited to post a thread telling us how much better they love Canada or France or Pakistan or wherever it is they'd prefer than here.

bhkad · 05-12-08, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lachean

Do not confuse your countrymen with their government, governments change, can be set right, and can be overthrown.

I find it more than a little surprising that you'd include as an option in this country (as he IS talking about America) the OVERTHROWING of the government.

That is one of the wonderful little miracles of this system of government. It DOES get overthrown in a sense, every 4 years. But for you to express it as you did is eye opening to say the least.

bhkad · 05-12-08, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dixon76710

I was describing religiousleft's view based upon his statement

As for myself, like I said, "As a conservative, current government administration is the last aspect of our nation that I would look for sources of pride". Achievements of Americans would be one of the first.

Once the entire history of the past 7 years is written you will have a different way of understanding this administration and you will wish you had supported it more than you have. (The "you" I speak of is in the collective sense.)

As Newt Gingrich said, one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration is that "the more successful they've been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we're in danger. Therefore, the better they've done at making sure there isn't an attack, the easier it is to say, 'well, there was never going to be an attack anyway!'"

-- Newt Gingrich on BookTV at a book signing for "Days of Infamy" 5/11/08

bhkad · 05-12-08, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ReligiousLeft

I was indeed describing Neo Conservatives in my original post. But I have yet to meet a Conservative that is not a Neo Conservative on this forum. I don't understand why anyone would die for a flag. But I thank you for your responses.

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A man who won't die for something is not fit to live.

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.

What would you be willing to die for?

I swore that I'd protect my country and I'd give my life for my loved ones.

You?

bhkad · 05-12-08, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

It was probably made in china. Like all those little plastic versions of our flag people buy.

Well... Check this.

YouTube - How Long Will Americans Stay Apathetic To The Reality

As Newt Gingrich said, "one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration is that the more successful they've been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we're in danger. Therefore, the better they've done at making sure there isn't an attack, the easier it is to say, 'well, there was never going to be an attack anyway!'"

-- Newt Gingrich on BookTV at a book signing for "Days of Infamy" 5/11/08

He continued:

I would divide the FBI into two agencies. I would have an anti- Domestic crime FBI which was very cautious, very respectful of civil liberties...you were innocent until proven guilty. And I would have a small but VERY aggressive anti-terrorism agency and I would, frankly, give them extraordinary abilities to eavesdrop, and my first advice to civil libertarians is simple: DON'T PLOT WITH TERRORISTS! Because the only information I would allow to be admissible by this agency would be information related to terrorism.

bhkad · 05-12-08, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

Im a spiritual man and I was listening to a song and it said for me to follow the storm.

And now we will help defeat Cyclone Gnu with our militairy.

LiveLeak.com - Bush Presses Myanmar Junta.

The trouble in speaking cryptically online is that people can infer whatever they will from your statements if you leave them the option to do so. Precision in communication is a good thing.

bhkad · 05-12-08, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

Oops >< I totally forgot this one.
When lies are captured on tape and nothing can be done about it its scary.

YouTube - How to create an Angry American

If I would have served in any service and heard the president joke about WMDs the way he did.... man I would be way madder than I am now. Americans dying to keep peace and hes joking about where the weapons are.

Try channeling your anger into searching for the truth and you will be less angry and more appreciative and even admiring of your government.