Are the rappers correct. - Page 12

Jray · 04-04-08, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Panache

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They all seem to have a common theme of lacking complex chord structure, invariant dynamic, and mindnumbing repetetiveness. And the emotion seems so contrived, like they are all trying to hard.

I agree with some of that especially that hip hop needs more diversification today. There is a high demand for beats so there are going to be a lot of crappy ones but elite producers like Pete Rock and Premier always bring great ones

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Lyrics arn't music. Lyrics are poetry. Some of them are decent poets, but they perform their poems aganst a backdrop of dreadful "music."

I disagree.

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Music is an art form in which the medium is sound. Elements of music are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, structure, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture.

Music - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both lyrics and instruments contain the charecteristics of music and thus are music.

Panache · 04-04-08, 08:51 PM

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I agree with some of that especially that hip hop needs more diversification today. There is a high demand for beats so there are going to be a lot of crappy ones but elite producers like Pete Rock and Premier always bring great ones

Beats are all well and good, but I think they could do with perhaps a chord progession, maybe a melody, a musical growth over the course of the song rather than repeating the same "beat" over and over until the song is done.

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I disagree.

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Music is an art form in which the medium is sound. Elements of music are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, structure, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture.

Of which Rap has rhythm and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation. It is a one trick pony, and its one trick isn't even that great.

Reggae is much more rhythmically creative, and Kenyan folk music is rhythmicaly untouchable. They also have the benefit of dynamics, and structure and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture.

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Both lyrics and instruments contain the charecteristics of music and thus are music.

Well, by your defenition I would say that Christopher Marlow is one of the most brilliant composers of our time, but I don't really subscribe to the John Cage philosphy of music.

That said, I think Cage's 4'33" sounds much better than a lot of Rap.

Redress · 04-04-08, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Panache

Beats are all well and good, but I think they could do with perhaps a chord progession, maybe a melody, a musical growth over the course of the song rather than repeating the same "beat" over and over until the song is done.

This is the big problem with analyzing music. Some of, to my mind, greatest songs ever are repetitive and lack a melody. I don't like rap/hiphop, never have. Closest I came was an appreciation for the anger in some. I don't think I can really deny it's quality though, just because my tastes run counter to it.

Kali · 04-05-08, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

How come in almost every single thread Kali is treated as if he is clueless by others and then he turns around and complains about being treated in such a manner?

To All

Rap is Crap.

Original Rap... Run DMC, Public Enemy, Etc had messages of hope and dealt with struggle and such. Whatever good they might have had has been completely lost now and Rap as it is is crap and a waste. I hear kids listening to that garbage, and Hip Hop, and I just shake my head.

No musical talent.
No ability to come up wtih interesting lyrics.

Just crap.

As to Freedom of Speech.
They can say whatever they want as long as it does not violate laws, as Cop Killer clearly did. I feel bad for the kids that believe the rappers crap and think that is the way to go. Sad.

Original Rap Sugar Hill Gang!

YouTube - RAPPERS DELIGHT / Sugar Hill Gang

Also there are plenty of rappers that still have positive messages but unless you listen to rap you will never hear it because all you will hear about is the crap in the media by white racist types that wish to sterotype rap and make it look bad!

Kali · 04-05-08, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Caine

Im confused on what you are getting at.

When I used the word defend, was not talking about their rights of free speech not being defended, which is what you implied.

I was stating defend, as in, take up their side in an argument when clearly there is no reason why a person would want to defend rap in a verbal debate and state that there is nothing wrong, or it is okay, for gangsta rap artists to go around singing about killing cops, screwing multiple women, doing drugs, and flashing money and big chains and diamond rings and big escalades with "twenty FOes".

Then we wonder why we have young adult males who consistently get into trouble with the law for doing drugs, resisting arrest, are dead beat parents with horrible credit. Working at McDonalds and driving an escalade that gets repossessed in 4 months because they don't have the money.

Honestly I see nothing wrong with them singing about some of that because rather than going out and acting on those things? They use rap as an outlet to vent their anger!

Kali · 04-05-08, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Caine

The only rap music I could bear to listen to is made by a guy that all "serious" rap fans laugh at.

Will Smith.

I used to like listening to him and Jazzy Jeff. That one song Parents Just Don't Understand was good. Also Summertime was cool.

Kali · 04-05-08, 12:57 AM

Murdoc, how can you think that Eminem is worthless? I think he is pretty talented. Also Jay Z is like one of my fav. rappers. He may not rap about really deep stuff but he got skills in my book.

Lightdemon · 04-05-08, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kali

Murdoc, how can you think that Eminem is worthless? I think he is pretty talented. Also Jay Z is like one of my fav. rappers. He may not rap about really deep stuff but he got skills in my book.

I agree, Eminem is pretty talented. My favorite of his is Run, Rabbit Run.

YouTube - eminem rabbit run

Eminem personally played the beats for this song. The progression in the beginning was a good touch, as well as the crumbling of paper when his lyrics were talking about frustration was another good touch.

I think this was one of his songs that he wrote in Iambic Pentameter as well.

The dude is brilliant.

Murdoc · 04-05-08, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kali

Murdoc, how can you think that Eminem is worthless? I think he is pretty talented. Also Jay Z is like one of my fav. rappers. He may not rap about really deep stuff but he got skills in my book.

They've both fallen off so hard since their primes I don't even respect them anymore........

Lightdemon · 04-05-08, 01:45 AM

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they both fell off sooo hard that I've lost all respect for them, sorry....

You mean falling off the radar? He produces albums now, instead of writing his own material.

But he wants a quiet life, I think. After all, he does have a little girl to raise.