Murdoc

Caine, I'll agree all day that rappers like soulja boy, 50 cent (all of G-Unit), rich boy, lil wayne, eminem, T.I., Lil Jon(actually any rapper with lil in their stage name), Cam'Ron, Jay Z, Jim Jones, Rick Ross etc. are completely worthless and don't deserve any of the fans they have, but when you tell me that the type of hip hop I listen to isn't music but rather noise, it compells me to question whether or not your listening.... so hopefully your willing to listen to some of the songs you wont hear on the radio and then tell me if you think its music or noise........please remember to listen carefully to lyrics........


The Roots - "Love of my Life"


De La Soul - "Stakes Is High"


One Be Lo - "The Future"


Mr. Lif - "Because They Made it That Way"


Qwel & Meaty Ogre- "Fourth Reich of the Rich"


Mos Def - "Mathematics"


Edo G & Masta Ace - "Wishing"


Jedi Mind Tricks - "Uncommon Valor"


KRS One (BDP) - "Loves Gonna Get'cha"


Common - "Retrospect for Life"




This is an extremely small list of very talented MC's / Hip Hop Groups that make great MUSIC.... I don't discredit your type of music or call it noise because I understand that there are many people who enjoy those genres. I'm heavily into hip hop but I appreciate all sorts of music from jazz to reggae to rock to blues, etc. The only Genre of music I don't care for is pop and country (except for Johnny Cash of course)

So if you still consider Hip Hop and Rap to be noise instead of music, please explain in further detail....

Hatuey

This is not true. There is a song by Nas where he raps in such a way that you can't tell whether he's talking about himself a third person or a gun. I forgot the name but it's in illmatic. Good rap lyricists aren't hard to find. One is just distracted by the southern stupidity of the 00s. You can't simply say that there isn't any artistic value in rap music because they're not singers or because they're not Coldplay. That's like saying documentary photographers can't be artists because their work is grittier then that of Annie Liebovitz. Not every song in this life is about the chick that left you. Sometimes songs about drug deals gone wrong are made but that doesn't stop them from being just as good.

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jallman

I was speaking specifically about that line of lyrics.

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Jray

The song is two-fold. He says don't do stupid **** and he points out structural racism and classism.

People are going to rap about what they know and many of them know what it's like to grow up in an inner-city and will rap about it. You want them to rap about something different then consumers have to demand something different and the biggest consumer of gangster rap is white suburban teens. Still, I'd like to hear creative retelling of what goes on in the ghetto. I'm going to listen to "Rewind" by Nas and "Stray Bullet" by Organized Konfusion because their creative and I'm going to listen to "Wordsmith" by Chino XL because he lays down some sick wordplay. You want positive rap?


There's Dre sayin "I don't smoke weed or cess"













That's just a few. Most Def, Talib Kweli, Common, The Roots, A tribe called quest, De La Soul, KRS's new stuff, I could go on and on.

You may not like NWA's "**** the Police" but reality is the LAPD is notoriously racist, they are just criticizing reality.

Redress

Those videos reminded me how much I appreciated the older, angrier, edgier rap. Never could stand the music or vocal styles, but I had a lot of appreciation for the anger, which is a part of most of the music I do enjoy.

Is it just my false, outsider perception that there is far less of that angry rap now than there was back in the earlier days of rap?

Murdoc

it seems that way, atleast what you may have seen on tv back in the day, you don't see anymore, it's mostly bubblegum rap now unfortunately....

Murdoc

please explain....

Jray

Murdoc, Jay-Z's worthless? I was never a big fan of him but he deserves respect. He is a legend of his era.

Jray

Probably but hip hop goes through stages. The early days didn't sound like the golden age, the golden age didn't sound like the gangster era and none of them sound like hip hop today.

Panache

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They all seem to have a common theme of lacking complex chord structure, invariant dynamic, and mindnumbing repetetiveness. And the emotion seems so contrived, like they are all trying to hard.

Lyrics arn't music. Lyrics are poetry. Some of them are decent poets, but they perform their poems aganst a backdrop of dreadful "music."