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My pet peeve are people who say "I could care less....". Think about it ... |
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Originally Posted by disneydude My pet peeve are people who say "I could care less....". Think about it people.....what you are really saying is " I couldn't care less". | Quote:
Originally Posted by RightOfCenter Could care less is the technically correct way to say it...or so I've heard. | I think I say both irregardless and I could care less oops  |
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Originally Posted by Lightdemon Even if IQ tests were reliable and valid measures for intelligence, that kind of contradicts the notion of a democracy. | Disqualifying any adult citizen from voting contradicts the notion of democracy. I'm not advocating this policy, even though I am not particularly attached to democracy; I'm only answering where I would draw the line, if I were required to. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightdemon Statistically speaking, everyone above 1 standard deviation from the norm is only about 15.0% of the population. | That's a larger percentage of citizens allowed to vote than when this country was founded. Quote:
Originally Posted by jfuh As I've admited it was a huge exageration to get a point across and I was more trying to point out to the OP that those supposed "morons" he perceives would not necessarily be the same morons that score an 80 or 70 on an IQ test. What I was trying to drill into. | Certainly a fair point. Frankly, I'd rather draw the line according to the percentage of political questions the prospective voter agrees with me on-- unfortunately, I don't think anyone would be foolish enough to allow me to design the tests.
What scares me is that some people apparently are foolish enough to allow the Devil they don't know to do so.
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Originally Posted by jfuh If it annoys that much, very well I'll use regardless - just doesn't feel as disregarding. | Quote:
Originally Posted by jfuh I think I say both irregardless and I could care less oops  | YOU LIED TO ME!
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Current Mood: | Re: Why should retards be allowed to speak? First, to deal with the general question. Korimry answered it rather eloquently in his first reply. It may sound like an attractive idea at first (if you don't subscribe to ideals like universal rights and such), but elections are what is supposed to hold the government accountable. Now you can argue that elections don't do a great job, but they do the job better than almost anything else humans have tried outside of armed rebellion.
Now if you let the government decide who can and can't vote i.e. who will be allowed to keep them accountable, well you can see the enormous potential for the government to act in its own interests and not the interests of the general public. Quote:
Originally Posted by Interresting-Ideas And even if so, who cares? The Government should be more qualified if it has more power. After all, in the history of man-kind Hitler's Germany, and Stalin's USSR were the quickest to be industrialized. | The history major in me can't ignore this part.
Germany was one of the leading industrial powers in the world since it became a nation. Hitler had nothing to do with it. The Soviet Union was a rather unique case in that it was already a Great Power, had access to massive amounts of untapped manpower and resources and had access to fairly modern industrial technology and methods. That rather unique situation allowed them to industrialize rapidly, but it certainly was not due to the form of government they had. The Soviet Union or Russia if the revolution had not occurred would've almost certainly industrialized itself rapidly in the 20's and 30's no matter who was in charge.
As to using IQ tests, that is a horrible idea even if I did support this type of thinking. IQ tests have been proven to be culturally biased and only measure certain types of intelligence. And this points to another problem with the OP's entire premise. Even if you support the idea, how do find a fair, non-partisan method to determine who is "worthy" to vote?
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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat Disqualifying any adult citizen from voting contradicts the notion of democracy. I'm not advocating this policy, even though I am not particularly attached to democracy; I'm only answering where I would draw the line, if I were required to. | Of course, I know that's not your position. It's just for the sake of argument.
We can probably go further and say that Democracy assumes that everyone has equal status/value when it comes to voting. So anything that differentiates the standing of any voter contraticts the notion of Democracy.
My beef was with the 1 standard deviation thing. Quote:
That's a larger percentage of citizens allowed to vote than when this country was founded. | That's not really saying much since only white men with land could vote. Doesn't really fit into today's context. 
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Originally Posted by Lachean YOU LIED TO ME! |  Don't cry you won't see it in the future. |
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Originally Posted by Lachean 1. I hate people who use the word irregardless, and I like you, so please stop. | Irregardless if the most bad-*** word there is. Here's the proof; Off topic: In defense of 'irregardless' | Crave : The gadget blog 
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Why should retards be allowed to speak?
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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 So DP doesn't lose half of it's members!  | lol
So that DP's basement can still function at maximum capacity? |
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Originally Posted by Lightdemon lol
So that DP's basement can still function at maximum capacity? | Most definitely! Quote: |
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