The "Noose" on Golfweek Mag. Cover - Page 2

Tashah · 01-27-08, 06:48 AM

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Apparently the noose thing has made some kind of large recent resurgance as a symbol of racist.

In the American vernacular, lynching typically refers to a vigilante or illegal action. Since whites, blacks, and Indians were periodically lynched, attaching a particular skin color with lynching is historically revisionist.

independent_thinker2002 · 01-27-08, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

In the American vernacular, lynching typically refers to a vigilante or illegal action. Since whites, blacks, and Indians were periodically lynched, attaching a particular skin color with lynching is historically revisionist.

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In the South, members of the abolitionist movement or other people opposing slavery were usually targets of lynch mob violence before the Civil War. After the war, lynching was a method of terrorism used to intimidate freed blacks who were voting and assuming political power. A study of vigilante justice during the period of 1868 to 1871 estimates that the Ku Klux Klan was involved in more than 400 lynchings. Blacks were lynched often because they were accused of crimes committed against whites, however, journalist Ida B. Wells showed in her investigations that many presumed crimes were exaggerated or didn't occur at all.

Lynching - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tashah · 01-27-08, 11:39 AM

There's no argument that blacks were lynched. But lynching was never unconditionally confined to black victims. How many 'renegade' Indians were lynched? How many white cattle rustlers? All colors have dangled from the end of the vigilante hangman's noose.

independent_thinker2002 · 01-27-08, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

There's no argument that blacks were lynched. But lynching was never unconditionally confined to black victims. How many 'renegade' Indians were lynched? How many white cattle rustlers? All colors have dangled from the end of the vigilante hangman's noose.

It doesn't have to be confined to black victims. Original Americans and white people can dislike it too. As far as the history of racism in our country goes, lynching was a tool used by racists. It doesn't have to be exclusive to be associated with something.

Is the hexagram exclusive to Judaism? It is not. Are you saying that if I make a sign that has a red circle with a line through it over a hexagram that Jews don't have a right to be upset? Perhaps I am opposing the Seal of Solomon or the talisman of Saturn. Of course I wouldn't do that because of the ubiquitious association the Star of David has with Judaism and Isreal. They don't have original, or exclusive license on the symbol. They don't need to though.

Tashah · 01-27-08, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

It doesn't have to be confined to black victims. Original Americans and white people can dislike it too. As far as the history of racism in our country goes, lynching was a tool used by racists. It doesn't have to be exclusive to be associated with something.

Is the hexagram exclusive to Judaism? It is not. Are you saying that if I make a sign that has a red circle with a line through it over a hexagram that Jews don't have a right to be upset? Perhaps I am opposing the Seal of Solomon or the talisman of Saturn. Of course I wouldn't do that because of the ubiquitious association the Star of David has with Judaism and Isreal. They don't have original, or exclusive license on the symbol. They don't need to though.

Either there's a disconnect with what I've said, or you're simply ignoring it to be argumentative. I agree without reservation that lynching is often associated with race relations/black history, but I disagree that lynching is exclusive to those realms.

On another note, you're free to manipulate a Star of David and I'm quite free to manipulate a Skull and Crossbones.

independent_thinker2002 · 01-27-08, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

Either there's a disconnect with what I've said, or you're simply ignoring it to be argumentative. I agree without reservation that lynching is often associated with race relations/black history, but I disagree that lynching is exclusive to those realms.

I wasn't arguing that lynching was exclusive to those realms. I was just saying that the relationship was valid and reasonable.

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On another note, you're free to manipulate a Star of David and I'm quite free to manipulate a Skull and Crossbones.

For me, the hexagram is mathematical. I won't manipulate it though.

BTW, when you lord your power over me I just think of you in a dominatrix outfit.

WI Crippler · 01-27-08, 09:28 PM

Well Tiger Woods absolutely dominated the entire field at the Buick Open and has won 5 of his last 6 tournaments, coming in a tie for second in the other. And has shot an astonishing -63 in his last three tournaments. To be sure, this lady was right. The only way to beat Tiger Woods is to take him in a back alley and "deal" with him. While I won't go so far as to use the term lynch, the damage incurred to him will have to be more severe than a 3rd degree titty twister. Unless a freak accident or unseen event unfolds, Tiger Woods will dominate the sport of golf at a level no other athlete has dominated their own sport. Unless one plays golf, I don't think they can truly grasp his dominance, especially at such a young age.

independent_thinker2002 · 01-27-08, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Well Tiger Woods absolutely dominated the entire field at the Buick Open and has won 5 of his last 6 tournaments, coming in a tie for second in the other. And has shot an astonishing -63 in his last three tournaments. To be sure, this lady was right. The only way to beat Tiger Woods is to take him in a back alley and "deal" with him. While I won't go so far as to use the term lynch, the damage incurred to him will have to be more severe than a 3rd degree titty twister. Unless a freak accident or unseen event unfolds, Tiger Woods will dominate the sport of golf at a level no other athlete has dominated their own sport. Unless one plays golf, I don't think they can truly grasp his dominance, especially at such a young age.

He doesn't play fair. He's not drinking.

RightOfCenter · 01-28-08, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Unless a freak accident or unseen event unfolds, Tiger Woods will dominate the sport of golf at a level no other athlete has dominated their own sport. Unless one plays golf, I don't think they can truly grasp his dominance, especially at such a young age.

Well, if Gretzky didn't have ****ing teammates to hold him back...

danarhea · 01-28-08, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

There's no argument that blacks were lynched. But lynching was never unconditionally confined to black victims. How many 'renegade' Indians were lynched? How many white cattle rustlers? All colors have dangled from the end of the vigilante hangman's noose.

The difference is easily discernible. While whites, native Americans, and others were lynched over alleged crimes, or as a result of superstition, blacks were lynched as a result of nothing more than pure hatred, because their skin color was different. To dilute the meaning of "the noose" is to dilute the history of America's own Holocaust (slavery), and the South's attempt after that to "keep the n!gger down", and also deny him the right to vote, which is where the noose figures in very prominently. We should never forget America's own dark side in world events, and if we ever do, then thank God for the Second Amendment. If a "Mississippi Burning" episode were to happen today, blacks would undoubtedly take up arms and shoot to kill, and they would have my unconditional support. Times have changed, folks.

The noose may just be a symbol of mob action and vigilantism in the rest of the world, but in America, it represents the very worst in man's treatment of their fellow man. Yes, the noose HAS meaning, and let us not ever forget that.