Subject: Hooray for Michigan State

bhkad · 01-14-08, 04:23 AM

Subject: Hooray for Michigan State

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The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical
engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to
the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the
students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet
Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were
"hate speech."

Enter Professor Wichman.

In his e-mail, he said the following:

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Dear Muslim Association:

As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to
protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more
mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on
public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the
latest in Turkey ), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of
Coptic Christians in Egypt , the imposition of Sharia law on
non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called
"whores" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and
the rioting and looting in Paris France.

This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many,
many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal,
and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims to be very aware of this as you
proceed with your infantile "protests."

If you do not like the values of the West - see the First Amendment
-- you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose
that option.

Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up
yourselves instead of troubling Americans.

Cordially,

I. S. Wichman Professor of Mechanical Engineering

As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't
like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded
and the university impose mandatory diversity training for faculty and
mandate a seminar on hate and discrimination for all freshmen.

Now the local chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the
Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe
that the good professor had the right to express his opinion. For its
part, the university is standing its ground in support of Professor
Wichman , saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to
publicly condemn his remarks.

Jihad Watch: "The termination of Stephen Coughlin on the Joint Staff is an act of intellectual cowardice"

I know you all will support the Professor's freedom of speech against the onslaught of the LAW ABIDING AND PEACEFUL Muslims who want to impose Allah's rule on us all.

Zyphlin · 01-14-08, 09:47 AM

Why? Why must you ruin an actually decent post with your ranting at the end.

Good on the Professor. I don't fully agree with the things he said at the end, but I am happy to see someone not scared to express themselves about Muslims like people express themselves about...well, almost everything else in our society.

They are free to protest the acts of a single cartoonist as hate speech. More power to them.

This guy is more than free to protest the acts of many as aggressive and brutal behavior. More power to him.

I call Bull-**** on such BS as trying to get this man reprimanded (nothing threatening in this letter, simply making his opinion known and it happens to be negative in regards to the organization). Doubly so on making people take "mandatory diversity training". Hogwash.

This idiotic thought that someone can't speak out in public or private against things that Muslims may do wrong...but yet we can do it for Christians, Teenagers, Whites, Old People, Jews, upper class, cartoonists, etc...is just wrong.

Sure, mandatory diversity training for the faculty, but if that's the case mandatory humor and thick skin training for the muslim protesters

Khayembii Communique · 01-19-08, 08:08 PM

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you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal,
and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims

Yeah, this guy's a winner...

Monk-Eye · 01-19-08, 08:46 PM

"Arabism And Cultural Regression"

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

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and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims

Yeah, this guy's a winner...

Did he mention something that was not true?
Islam and Slavery (link)

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The major juristic schools of Islam traditionally accepted the institution of slavery.[1] Muhammad and many of his companions bought, sold, freed, and captured slaves. Slaves benefited from Islamic dispensations which improved their situation relative to that in pre-Islamic society.[1][2] At the end of 19th century a shift in Muslim thought and interpretation of the Qur'an occurred, and slavery became seen as opposed to Islamic principles of justice and equality.[3] This interpretation has not been accepted by Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia.[4]

It was in the early 20th century (post World War I) that slavery gradually became outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[4]

In recent years, according to some scholars,[115] there has been a "worrying trend" of "reopening" of the issue of slavery by some conservative Salafi Islamic scholars after its "closing" earlier in the 20th century when Muslim countries banned slavery and "most Muslim scholars" found the practice "inconsistent with Qur'anic morality."[116][117]

In 2003 a high-level Saudi jurist, Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan, issued a fatwa claiming “Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.”[118] He attacked Muslim scholars who said otherwise maintaining, “They are ignorant, not scholars ... They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel.” At the time of the fatwa, Al-Fawzan was a member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia’s highest religious body, a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh, and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, the main Wahhabi center of learning in the country.[119]

Slavery in the contemporary Muslim world
Saudi Arabia is a destination for men and women from South and East Asia and East Africa trafficked for the purpose of labor exploitation, and for children from Yemen, Afghanistan, and Africa trafficking for forced begging. Hundreds of thousands of low-skilled workers from India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Kenya migrate voluntarily to Saudi Arabia; some fall into conditions of involuntary servitude, suffering from physical and sexual abuse, non-payment or delayed payment of wages, the withholding of travel documents, restrictions on their freedom of movement and non-consensual contract alterations. The Government of Saudi Arabia does not comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so. [3]

Arab Slave Trade (link)

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So many Slavs were enslaved that the very name 'slave' was derived from their name; not only in English, but in other European languages and Arabic as well.
Periodic raiding expeditions were sent from Islamic Spain to ravage the Christian Spanish kingdoms, bringing back booty and slaves. In a raid against Lisbon in 1189 CE, for example, the Almohad caliph Yaqub al-Mansur took 3,000 female and child captives, while his governor of Córdoba, in a subsequent attack upon Silves in 1191 CE, took 3,000 Christian slaves.[12]
According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves between the 16th and 19th centuries.[13][14] This considerably exceeds the figure of 645,000 Africans who were brought to what is now the United States.

Historians say the Arab slave trade began in the 7th century and lasted more than a millennium.[27][28] Arab traders brought Africans across the Indian Ocean from present-day Kenya, Tanzania, Sudan, western Ethiopia and elsewhere in East Africa to present-day Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Turkey and other parts of the Middle East [29] and South Asia (mainly Pakistan and India). Unlike the trans-Atlantic slave trade to the New World, Arabs supplied African slaves to the Muslim world, which at its peak stretched over three continents from the Atlantic (Morocco, Spain) to India and eastern China.

Elikia M’bokolo, April 1998, Le Monde diplomatique. Quote:"The African continent was bled of its human resources via all possible routes. Across the Sahara, through the Red Sea, from the Indian Ocean ports and across the Atlantic. At least ten centuries of slavery for the benefit of the Muslim countries (from the ninth to the nineteenth)." He continues: "Four million slaves exported via the Red Sea, another four million through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic Ocean"[30]

Come have a swing at this assessment -
http://www.debatepolitics.com/Death-...post1057505768

There has not been one perpetrator of arabism (formerly known as islam) that has challenged the contention that arabism was and is not meant for non-arabs.
One has to find that the cowardice equals incompetence.

Khayembii Communique · 01-19-08, 08:59 PM

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Did he mention something that was not true?

Well, just the part about Muslims being uncivilized, or about them being slave traders. In fact, I don't think I ever met a slave trader, much less a Muslim one, and I've met a lot of Muslims.

I take it you've never met a Muslim.

Monk-Eye · 01-19-08, 09:10 PM

"Denying History"

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

Well, just the part about Muslims being uncivilized, or about them being slave traders. In fact, I don't think I ever met a slave trader, much less a Muslim one, and I've met a lot of Muslims.
I take it you've never met a Muslim.

Are you some sort of clown?

The abridged version of history presented above is not fiction, and there is a significantly more robust one if you bother opening your eyes.

No doubt you want to play semantic games contending that a true follower of arabism could not be a slave trader.

Well to put it straight, the term muslim is no longer recognized, there are followers of arabism, and if a follower of arabism is a non-arab, they are also a genetically self-deprecating fool.

Khayembii Communique · 01-19-08, 09:53 PM

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The abridged version of history presented above is not fiction, and there is a significantly more robust one if you bother opening your eyes.

Except that nobody was mentioning history.

In case you didn't notice, this moron was calling these Muslims "dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims".

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Well to put it straight, the term muslim is no longer recognized

By you, but that doesn't really count.

Again, you really shouldn't be talking about who Muslims are and what they all believe if you've never known one, because anybody that knows a Muslim knows that your argument's full of ****.

Monk-Eye · 01-19-08, 10:47 PM

"Pompous Piety"

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

Except that nobody was mentioning history.

If you read further than your nose, you would see that slavery exists in modern institutions of arabism.
Moreover, your tiny sliver of reality is unindicative of the greater ambitions of arabism to usurp reasonable human governance.

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

In case you didn't notice, this moron was calling these Muslims "dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims".

Undoubtably your ability to infer meaning is defunct; it is simply another reason your position is rejected.
The address to the ""dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims" was directly attributable to morons, irate about trivial cartoons and pursuant of heinous justifactions for murderous retaliation.
Anyone with an acute sense of reason is very cautious about their generalizations.
Now when it comes to the generalization that arabism is not for non-arabs, that need not be curtailed.
So far there have been nothing but inept cowards incapable of facing reality, let me know if and when you are ready.

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

By you, but that doesn't really count.

Oh, but it does count, for just as you ignore the reality of historical and modern slavery, you ignore the precepts of the genetic religion for arabs, the true essence of the patriarchal directives, and the perverse, egregious implications that have been rendered.

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

Again, you really shouldn't be talking about who Muslims are and what they all believe if you've never known one, because anybody that knows a Muslim knows that your argument's full of ****.

The alliances of the collective are unsatisfactory, the facade of idealized personal convictions, perpetrated as meek passivity, are seeking a majority to translate itself into brutal, ludicrous politics; such will be averted, exposed for its miscreation, and remain inconsequential to consideration.

Khayembii Communique · 01-20-08, 03:20 PM

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The alliances of the collective are unsatisfactory, the facade of idealized personal convictions, perpetrated as meek passivity, are seeking a majority to translate itself into brutal, ludicrous politics; such will be averted, exposed for its miscreation, and remain inconsequential to consideration.

Why don't you hop on over to the conspiracy theories forum? That's where this crap belongs.

Communists...[no wait]...Muslims are taking over the world!

bhkad · 01-20-08, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Why? Why must you ruin an actually decent post with your ranting at the end.

Why must you ruin a terrific thread with your silly sukky sanctimony?