My blood is boiling - Page 2

americanwoman · 01-14-08, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

I'll see you guys later.

In between two pieces of bread with some lettuce and cheese.

GRRRR!!!!

americanwoman · 01-14-08, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

So, koreans eat dogs......

May be reprehensible to us here. But an animals significance is cultural. Pigs, chickens, cows have all become staples of our diets here in America. In other countries, the animals may have the respect of those cultures and it would be a crime to commit any act of violence towards them, while simultaneously engaging in that same behavior against other animals.

Nobody can convince me to not eat meat, ever. If they removed meat from the supermarkets, I'd just go hunt down some wild animals, and feast on their flesh.

I understand that but at least we can treat them humanely before we kill. I am a meat eater myself (no jokes please

) but I feel bad they have to suffer horribly before death. Also, some animals don't get killed right away and have to live in those conditions to breed for the owners of those places. That's what makes me upset about those farms and places like that.

WI Crippler · 01-14-08, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by americanwoman

I understand that but at least we can treat them humanely before we kill. I am a meat eater myself (no jokes please

) but I feel bad they have to suffer horribly before death. Also, some animals don't get killed right away and have to live in those conditions to breed for the owners of those places. That's what makes me upset about those farms and places like that.

I'm all about a quick and painless death for these animals.

Kelzie · 01-14-08, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by americanwoman

I understand that but at least we can treat them humanely before we kill. I am a meat eater myself (no jokes please

) but I feel bad they have to suffer horribly before death. Also, some animals don't get killed right away and have to live in those conditions to breed for the owners of those places. That's what makes me upset about those farms and places like that.

That's my feelings on it too. I eat meat, but I think acting as if animals don't feel pain and can be tortured with inhumane living conditions is very...unhuman of us.

A good life and a quick death. I don't think there's anything crazy about that.

1069 · 01-14-08, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

That's my feelings on it too. I eat meat, but I think acting as if animals don't feel pain and can be tortured with inhumane living conditions is very...unhuman of us.

A good life and a quick death. I don't think there's anything crazy about that.

The consumer demand is so great that "a good life" is out of the question for these creatures.
We demand too many of them for that, because we eat too much meat, and we want it not only in abundance but also affordable ("we", of course, being you guys, because I don't eat meat myself).
There's not enough pastureland in this country or this world to let all these animals range (except chickens, to an extremely limited degree, hence "free-range chickens". But you see how expensive they are).
Nobody would pay enough for "free range beef or pork" to make it worthwhile or profitable to the meat industry to treat these animals humanely or allow them any quality of life whatsoever. Hence, factory farms.

But a quick, humane death; that I'm sure could be managed.
It is my hope, now that the FDA has approved cloned livestock for human consumption, that they'll eventually develop animals without any higher brain functions, thus incapable of suffering.

ashurbanipal · 01-14-08, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Nobody can convince me to not eat meat, ever. If they removed meat from the supermarkets, I'd just go hunt down some wild animals, and feast on their flesh.

Me neither; I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is how we treat the animals all their lives prior to killing them.

Curious George · 01-15-08, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by americanwoman

You do know that pigs are as intelligent as a small child and they understand and feel pain, right?

I sometimes wonder if, hundreds of years from now, people will look back on us in the same way we look back on slave owning generations today.

I mean, I wonder about it, but I'm not giving up hamburgers.

Hatuey · 01-15-08, 08:53 AM

...all this treating animals decently makes me want to order some KFC. Brb.

mikhail · 01-15-08, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069

The consumer demand is so great that "a good life" is out of the question for these creatures.
We demand too many of them for that, because we eat too much meat, and we want it not only in abundance but also affordable ("we", of course, being you guys, because I don't eat meat myself).
There's not enough pastureland in this country or this world to let all these animals range (except chickens, to an extremely limited degree, hence "free-range chickens". But you see how expensive they are).
Nobody would pay enough for "free range beef or pork" to make it worthwhile or profitable to the meat industry to treat these animals humanely or allow them any quality of life whatsoever. Hence, factory farms.

But a quick, humane death; that I'm sure could be managed.
It is my hope, now that the FDA has approved cloned livestock for human consumption, that they'll eventually develop animals without any higher brain functions, thus incapable of suffering.

Yes but when your talking about chickens your taking about an animal that can live for months without a head.All this talk of quality of life for chickens depends on the humanisation of them by people.

Kelzie · 01-15-08, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikhail

Yes but when your talking about chickens your taking about an animal that can live for months without a head.All this talk of quality of life for chickens depends on the humanisation of them by people.

Acknowledging that chickens feel pain is not humanizing them. Certainly you don't deny they have nerve endings?