I'm Proud To Be an American!!!

Sergeant Stinger1 · 10-19-07, 06:54 PM

Dam Proud!

Thelost1 · 10-20-07, 01:53 AM

Do we have to go through this again?

Pride in a nation is pointless, as most of the prideworthy actions perpetrated by members of the nation are not perpetrated by you. That I should have pride that Ben Franklin, George Washington, or Albert Einstein lived within 3,000 miles of where I live now is ridiculous. I did not write the theory of General Relativity, nor did I establish a nation based on freedom.

I have my own personal achievements that I am quite proud of, but having been born in one part of the world as opposed to another is not one of them. Anyone can do it, and it is randomised (though you could argue that I have to have been born in America, because otherwise the unique occurances that formed me would not have occured, but my point stands regardless.), so it is worthless in terms of pride.

Also, I believe that excessive national pride (the idea that our country is the best by virtue of being our country, and that we are the best people by virtue of being in it) causes all sorts of problems. I prefer to recognize that
we are not the best, but we can certainly work towards it (though, "best" is relative...).

"National Pride" is propoganda, though not a bad kind of propoganda. it is useful in stirring up patriotism.

Sergeant Stinger1 · 10-20-07, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Thelost1

Do we have to go through this again?

Pride in a nation is pointless, as most of the prideworthy actions perpetrated by members of the nation are not perpetrated by you. That I should have pride that Ben Franklin, George Washington, or Albert Einstein lived within 3,000 miles of where I live now is ridiculous. I did not write the theory of General Relativity, nor did I establish a nation based on freedom.

I have my own personal achievements that I am quite proud of, but having been born in one part of the world as opposed to another is not one of them. Anyone can do it, and it is randomised (though you could argue that I have to have been born in America, because otherwise the unique occurances that formed me would not have occured, but my point stands regardless.), so it is worthless in terms of pride.

Also, I believe that excessive national pride (the idea that our country is the best by virtue of being our country, and that we are the best people by virtue of being in it) causes all sorts of problems. I prefer to recognize that
we are not the best, but we can certainly work towards it (though, "best" is relative...).

"National Pride" is propoganda, though not a bad kind of propoganda. it is useful in stirring up patriotism.

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Well to sum it up,

I don't really give a $HIT what ***YOU THINK***

I only care about what ***I THINK***
But i'll still listen to what you have to say and how you don't have any pride
in you country.

Thats always nice to hear.

Thelost1 · 10-20-07, 03:46 AM

1-If you only cared about what you think, you probably would not have posted on a Debate Forum.

2-I am loyal to my country, just not prideful about things that have nothing to do with me.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 10-20-07, 05:49 AM

The Good Reverend is proud of his nation,

It's people.

It's heritage.

It's providence....

Dragonfly · 10-20-07, 11:03 AM

I don't have a problem with pride as long as it's not followed closely by arrogance, ignorance, rudeness, and narrow sightedness.

There are many things American that are worthy of pride.

However, you must also be able to admit that there are also plenty of things Americans should be ashamed of.

Sergeant Stinger1 · 10-20-07, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Thelost1

1-If you only cared about what you think, you probably would not have posted on a Debate Forum.

2-I am loyal to my country, just not prideful about things that have nothing to do with me.

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1- If I only cared?

So, your back to*guessing* about me!

2- So you don't take any pride in your own country? A country that supports many, many other countrys that their people are starving, dying from no medicine or health care and less fortunate then us? A country that allows freedom?
These things have nothing to do with you? Do you pay taxes?

Sergeant Stinger1 · 10-20-07, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I don't have a problem with pride as long as it's not followed closely by arrogance, ignorance, rudeness, and narrow sightedness.

There are many things American that are worthy of pride.

However, you must also be able to admit that there are also plenty of things Americans should be ashamed of.

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I hear you but no one or no country is perfect.
Q- If you stole a bike early in life and later in life you gained great accomplishments would you be proud of your accomplishments? I would say, yes, you would be proud.

Thelost1 · 10-20-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergeant Stinger1

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1- If I only cared?

So, your back to*guessing* about me!

2- So you don't take any pride in your own country? A country that supports many, many other countrys that their people are starving, dying from no medicine or health care and less fortunate then us? A country that allows freedom?
These things have nothing to do with you? Do you pay taxes?

Yes, but I don't choose whether they go to support the war (hich I dislike), or to help starving children in Africa. So the responsibility is not mine.

Dragonfly · 10-20-07, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergeant Stinger1

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I hear you but no one or no country is perfect.

Including America.

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Originally Posted by Sergeant Stinger1

Q- If you stole a bike early in life and later in life you gained great accomplishments would you be proud of your accomplishments? I would say, yes, you would be proud.

Yes, of course I would be proud. Hopefully, in a humble manner.