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Old 09-28-07, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My party is right your party is wrong or Why I became a political independent

This and every other blog I contribute to on the web are prime examples of why I became disgusted with political parties and party politics.

I quit because "the hard core blindly devoted" within each of the myriad of the political parties are what has caused the political part of our social fabric to be ripped in shreds.

The hard core ultral liberal left think their side can do no wrong and what they consider to be their enemy opposition, and refuse to even try to come to any mutual understanding or agreement with can do no right...and this is demonstrated in this and every other blog on the web every day.

The hard core ultralconservative right think their side can do no wrong and what they consider to be their enemy opposition, and refuse to even try to come to any mutual understanding or agreement with can do no right...and this is demonstrated in this and every other blog on the web every day.

All these people do is butt heads, argue pointlessly, accuse one another of everything they can conjure up as negative....and actually think if they pound the other guys enough that they can change their minds to becoming another weenie or chickenhawk. The thought of ever even considering to adapt another idea in their biased pre-made up minds never even comes in one ear much less out the other.

Even worse is that they try to drag everyone politically in between into the arguement mud with them by sending out private emails with at least enuendo that the persons they email should choose one side or the other.

Each side, ultra right and ultra left, seems as if they can't understand or have the ability to understand why some people can stand on middle ground and have, not just left and right views, but an ability to assess all political points of view and adapt to what they personally consider to the best of all views whether those views are considers liberal, conservative, or anything in between.

I think that this is what some of the hard core left/right folks can't grasp the idea about what I write and post, ARE MY POINTS OF VIEW, DETERMINED BY OWN ASSESSMENTS OF AN OVER-ALL PICTURE and not things regurgetated out of a political party propaganda machine as brainwashing material.

I never ask anyone at all to agree with what I write down...in fact I insist that people that DO take the time to read what I write use what I write down for the purpose I write it down for...food for thought..and only that...then afterward make their own self assessed determinations to agree, disagree, or ignore what I write altogether.

Yet in every blog I contribute to...there are a whole boat load of the ultras "out there" that can't resist writing me nasty name calling emails for the soul purpose of starting an argument and telling me why my opinons are all wrong and theirs are all right like they are the only people in the world that can state an opinion.

I don't write things down looking for political agrument and/or debate. I write in hopes what I write will be in at least a small part, part of the cures that will ultimately heal this nation again like it always has in the past.

In at least one post, or maybe it was a reply to a reply, I've said "Show me a proven better path to take on "X issue" and I'll go right along with it." And I will do that and asssist in any way I can...but never expect me to become one of a political herd and follow anything, anyone, or any path blindly just because the herd is moving in "that X" direction, because "that X" direction may lead to the edge of a cliff. That I will leave to the hard core political party adherents

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Old 11-29-07, 02:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: My party is right your party is wrong or Why I became a political independent

100%.

BOTH sides are wrong. the more i read about the hegelian dialectic, the more i think both parties are just playing the same game... no matter which of the two parties win- they BOTH win, and we lose.

in elections past, i have become so discouraged as to ponder abstaining from voting. i have not, yet, done that.

i support ron paul, merely for his small-government, constitutional stance.

if he does not get the GOP nod... i may give it up for good.

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Old 11-29-07, 03:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: My party is right your party is wrong or Why I became a political independent

I think the natural tendency of the average citizen who isn't usually very politically oriented is to react to the everything they see happening in the political arena the same way I viewed driving on the freeway for the first 50 times.

IT IS FRIGHTENING AND CONFUSING!!!!

Everythinghappenssofastandallthedriversarerudeandi nahurryandsomemayevenbecrazyandit's alljustabig****ingmess!

That is, until you gain some experience dealing with it and then things begin to make sense and then, as you go along you begin to notice patterns of behavior in certain peoples and then you notice what other people have that same pattern and then you wonder if what you are noticing is just a coincidence or if it is really a discernible patter that is particular to those people and noticeably NOT to others or much less than others and then things begin to make more sense.

And that is when you begin to test your assumptions. You use all kinds of different ways of testing them out. You purposely start a thread and then take note of how people react to the thread. And not necessarily a political thread. You look at test subjects or test groups and watch how they respond to all kinds of subject matter.

And then you come to trust your assumptions because you have noticed these patterns over a given period of time and then you tested your assumptions. And then you subjected them to various challenges and watched how they responded. And then you knew you had figured out that this certain group behaved consistently and significantly differently than anyone else.

So one day you will mention your conclusions to others and none of them will believe you because they see nothingbutthesamekindofconfusionthatyoudidatfirsto rtheyarejustnotasobservantasyou.

And they will challenge your conclusions and they will scoff at your beliefs and they will become angry with you for bringing up these findings and try their best to neutralize or negate your findings. But that's ok, you know that you know what you know. And that's enough to know.

And somewhere in your unscientific research you would have looked to see what the people in this group all have in common and to your surprise you discover they are all of a certain political persuasion. And one of the many things you notice about that persuasion is that those people tend not to look at things beyond face value, or they just don't have deep curiosities, in general. And that they are motivated more by their emotions than by facts. And that they care a great deal about how things look than how well they work or with the integrity of the thing.

And then you realize that those particular traits, while charming, or at least inconsequential in the abstract, might contribute greatly to the political divide in this country, which I grant you is pretty damned bad!

And, of course the people I'm talking about of that one political persuasion will certainly respond to this knowledge with great passion. That's what they are known for, their emotional sides rather than their logical sides. And they will attack the conclusions and you and your momma and they will try to say that your persuasion is just as bad and that there is no difference betwen the two persuasions, even though you know there is.

And that brings me to the meat of this whole matter.

The ONE SINGLE MAJOR cause for the gaping, rancorous political divide in this country:

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It seems to me that at the root of the divisive and rancorous dispute over the war on terrorism (or whatever you choose to call it), is an individual's belief in one of the following two mutually exclusive propositions.

1. There is a broad-based, highly aggressive, well-funded, and effective jihadist movement which poses a dire threat not just to secular and pluralist societies in the Muslim world, but to civil societies in Europe, the Americas, and Asia.
2. There isn't.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/ar...09/000901.html
The liberals, leftists and Democrats are the #2 people.

Conservatives (paleo & neo's), right wingers and Republicans are the #1 people.

The #2 people are the ones responsible for all the rancor and the major political divisions in this country today.

And the reason I say that is because the #2 people could simply read these links and they would no longer be #2 people. They would be #1's.

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amazon.com: Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies against the West: Books: Walid Phares

Dying To Win, After All - March 27, 2007 - The New York Sun

Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies Against America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Redhunter: Book Review - "Future Jihad" - Part 6: al Qaeda


And there would be much less anger between the #1's and the #2's in America.

Now, it just so happens right now that most of the #1 people are Conservative and most of the #2 people are liberals. But the idea is for ALL of the people in America to be #1's.

In the years until now the Dems have accepted that the GOP's would occasionally win elections which gave them power and that was just part of the game.

Sometimes you win, sometimes they win.

But since the 1990's we have had a growing threat in this world go largely un recognized by the liberal people. And they have consistently tried to ignore the problem, make the country think they were dealing with the problem through a show of force which really was ineffective in dealing with the problem. And after we could no longer go on ignoring the problem the liberal people argued passionately against everything the GOP people tried to do to deal with the problem on a holistic level.

Of course the problem I'm talking about is Jihad. Global Jihad. And the Democrats have repeatedly shown that in the face of this threat to America where the best known Jihadist actually declared war on the USA in 1996 they have done what Democrats do. They make it appear as though they have done something about Jihad when they haven't. They become passionately emotionally concerned about those who want us dead and in some cases more concerned than in effectively dealing with the threat.

And most importantly, because they tend not to look too deeply at matters they just won't bother reading about Jihad.

And the fact is that if the GOP people trusted that the Liberal people wouldn't endanger the country by ignorantly denying the threat or dealing with it as a game or giving in to it we, the GOP people wouldn't mind giving up a little power to our Democratic friends.

But when the people who want power can't be bothered to read about the enemy or when they use our nation's safety and freedom in the world as a political football with which they can score points with the Democratic voters who are ignorant about Jihad and the Democratic politicians want to devise ill-informed strategies for dealing with the enemy who knows US VERY WELL you just don't feel comfortable with the country in their hands.

And so when they say they want the White House Conservative folks say not just no, but HELL NO!

So, in a nutshell, the animosity you sense is all the Democrats' politicians fault because they refuse to become educated about Jihad and they pander to their ignorant voters instead of leading them and educating them and Republicans are determined not to allow them to run this country until or unless they show they are taking the proper precautions.

The Liberals need to understand global Jihad.

Then the red hot fury will start to cool off.

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This and every other blog I contribute to on the web are prime examples of why I became disgusted with political parties and party politics.

I quit because "the hard core blindly devoted" within each of the myriad of the political parties are what has caused the political part of our social fabric to be ripped in shreds.

The hard core ultral liberal left think their side can do no wrong and what they consider to be their enemy opposition, and refuse to even try to come to any mutual understanding or agreement with can do no right...and this is demonstrated in this and every other blog on the web every day.

The hard core ultralconservative right think their side can do no wrong and what they consider to be their enemy opposition, and refuse to even try to come to any mutual understanding or agreement with can do no right...and this is demonstrated in this and every other blog on the web every day.

All these people do is butt heads, argue pointlessly, accuse one another of everything they can conjure up as negative....and actually think if they pound the other guys enough that they can change their minds to becoming another weenie or chickenhawk. The thought of ever even considering to adapt another idea in their biased pre-made up minds never even comes in one ear much less out the other.

Even worse is that they try to drag everyone politically in between into the arguement mud with them by sending out private emails with at least enuendo that the persons they email should choose one side or the other.

Each side, ultra right and ultra left, seems as if they can't understand or have the ability to understand why some people can stand on middle ground and have, not just left and right views, but an ability to assess all political points of view and adapt to what they personally consider to the best of all views whether those views are considers liberal, conservative, or anything in between.

I think that this is what some of the hard core left/right folks can't grasp the idea about what I write and post, ARE MY POINTS OF VIEW, DETERMINED BY OWN ASSESSMENTS OF AN OVER-ALL PICTURE and not things regurgetated out of a political party propaganda machine as brainwashing material.

I never ask anyone at all to agree with what I write down...in fact I insist that people that DO take the time to read what I write use what I write down for the purpose I write it down for...food for thought..and only that...then afterward make their own self assessed determinations to agree, disagree, or ignore what I write altogether.

Yet in every blog I contribute to...there are a whole boat load of the ultras "out there" that can't resist writing me nasty name calling emails for the soul purpose of starting an argument and telling me why my opinons are all wrong and theirs are all right like they are the only people in the world that can state an opinion.

I don't write things down looking for political agrument and/or debate. I write in hopes what I write will be in at least a small part, part of the cures that will ultimately heal this nation again like it always has in the past.

In at least one post, or maybe it was a reply to a reply, I've said "Show me a proven better path to take on "X issue" and I'll go right along with it." And I will do that and asssist in any way I can...but never expect me to become one of a political herd and follow anything, anyone, or any path blindly just because the herd is moving in "that X" direction, because "that X" direction may lead to the edge of a cliff. That I will leave to the hard core political party adherents

Have a good day all.
Great post. Especially the part I bolded. I have always felt the hardcores from either side tend to view middle of the road folks(the independent/moderate/centrist/unaffiliated etc....) with disdain because they automatically assume(and incorrectly) that we have no clear stance, or idea about the issues or somehow fear to sift through it all. I have found that this is absolutely the furthest thing from the truth. Its been my experience that the people in the middle are the most thoughtful about the issues, and are usually willing to look at both sides of the issues and then coming to a solution/conclusion. Depending on what kind of "middle of the road" person one is, they may agree with both sides but just desire moderate positions of either, or prehaps they will take the side of the left or the right on that particular issue, but they will not allow that side of the party to form their ideals, in regards to other issues. For me the "middle of the road" people are usually the most intelligent and tolerant people. Neither the hard left or hard right strike me as having either of those qualities, the only reason they even have a voice is because they shout so loud, like petulant children screaming whenever they don't get their way.
What has been lost by those people is the ability for critical thinking and assesment that goes beyond the ideals of their side of the party. If it doesn't fit their preconcieved notion, it is summarily dismissed without a second thought. When they are challenged, they will either remove themselves from the debate, or spin the debate about something else. The funny thing is, both sides accuse each other of these tactics, but refuse to admit that they do the same. Now does that mean that all the ultra lefties and righties are idiots? No, there are some very intelligent people in these groups that can make sound arguments for their side but they are far and few between, and they still lack that critical thinking skill when it pertains to thinking outside the box. They are very good at working their views into what they think are unassailable positions, and then defending it from there.
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