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The United States Just Finished 46th in a Press-Freedom Contest[W:37]

Re: The United States Just Finished 46th in a Press-Freedom Contest

Sam Adams will never be played out, hater.

What does this mean? Is it just more wanta-be highbrow pretentiousness?
 
Haters gonna hate

What does this mean? Is it just more wanta-be highbrow pretentiousness?

How can one be both a wanna-be and pretentious? You either hold the qualities you claim to aspire to or you fail to.

Me, the quality I hold a pretension of, is that of a free man. One can not be a wanna-be free man, you are either free or your are not.

The standards compromising men such as yourself hold are irrelevant to said quality, Hater. Now go impress some teenager with your Kanji script.
 
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What a load of BS. Prosecuting those who leak state secrets does not fall under "press freedom".

Assange, Snowden and their supporters can eat a big ****.

they can but you have to whenever the state wants to feed 1 to you and you seem to like it that way
 
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they can but you have to whenever the state wants to feed 1 to you and you seem to like it that way

Spare us the garbled idiocy. That post looks like it was created by a mentally disabled French kid.
 
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Spare us the garbled idiocy. That post looks like it was created by a mentally disabled child.

why is it not garbled truth?
 
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why is it not garbled truth?

Because you're not posting in CT?
 
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Because you're not posting in CT?

nah no conspiracy the government says we have a right to privacy the government spy's on all of us

your being fed bull **** your mad at the guy telling every one
 
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nah no conspiracy the government says we have a right to privacy the government spy's on all of us

your being fed bull **** your mad at the guy telling every one

I'm sure you'll find the garbled Truth eventually. Just keep trying.

ps. "spy's"?
 
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I'm sure you'll find the garbled Truth eventually. Just keep trying.

ps. "spy's"?

still not hearing why I don't have the truth from you
 
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still not hearing why I don't have the truth from you

I'm not a truther.
 
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The United States Just Finished 46th in a Press-Freedom Contest - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic

One example of countless for instances, and yet we keep telling ourselves we're the best...

Perplexing...

First of all hi :2wave:
and thank you for the link.

That is really quite devastating at first glance. However, I follow the media in French, English and German. At least in these languages there is no area in the world, where the breadth and diversity of widely available news in every sector of interest approaches that eliminating from and accessible in the US.

This does not mean we must not protect our freedom of information. We must fight for it every day. We must use it every day.

I very much doubt the veracity of the study. Sounds like propaganda. But I will check the methodology used.
 
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The United States Just Finished 46th in a Press-Freedom Contest - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic

One example of countless for instances, and yet we keep telling ourselves we're the best...

Perplexing...

I heard about this yesterday, and I can't say I'm surprised. When governments like the Obama Administration officials, start threatening to charge journalists for publishing information they consider damaging (but can't explain on what grounds) like Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras...who are both living in exile, because of rumors the Administration will stick them in the same hole they have waiting for Julian Assange, there is an obvious chilling effect that goes out and impacts on the way mainstream journalists report the news. Every dictatorship makes an example of some journalist they consider stepping over the line, and in good times, that keeps everyone else from asking unwanted questions.

I just finished listening to the 2nd part of a two part public broadcast radio interview of NSA whistleblower - Thomas Drake (here), and Obamabots who still live the fantasy of Hope and Change aren't going to like it, but in Drake's assessment of any differences between the Obama and Bush administrations, he concluded that things got worse....much worse under the Obama Administration than they were before under Bush/Cheney. If anything, Bush had regrets about the growing power of the NSA and how extensive surveillance was becoming, as well as the projection of power by stealth assassinations without trial. Obama has embraced the use of drones so much that he brags about it and has allowed deliberate leaks of how they set up the kill list in their Terror Tuesday meetings. Maybe it's a matter of wanting to be respected so badly by the military brass, that he will sign off on everything and anything they want to do. At least Bush ended up having to say no a few times to Cheney! With Obama, aside from appearances and image, this is like Cheney running loose with the all of the levers of power at his disposal, and no limits on how his underlings use and abuse those powers!

Yesterday, rumors were flying about...thanks in large part to Buzzfeed...that Edward Snowden will be dispatched by a targeted killing of some sort, if there are continued stories leaked out to Greenwald, Poitras and Jeremy Scahill's new media venture. They don't care whether or not Snowden still has files to release, or if Greenwald and others have those files. They would risk any backlash at killing Snowden to try to silence Greenwald & co.! A few years ago, we all would have relegated a rumor like that to tabloid news; but what has been discovered is that the U.S. has a government populated by political and department officials who have no respect for freedom or rule of law. So, should anyone be surprised that the U.S. is on its way down to third world status regarding press freedom?

BTW,Part one of the Drake interview is here: Podcast: Whistleblower Former NSA Exec Thomas Drake On Obama's Speech, Bengazi, 911 and more- part 1 | OpEdNews
 
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First of all hi :2wave:
and thank you for the link.

That is really quite devastating at first glance. However, I follow the media in French, English and German. At least in these languages there is no area in the world, where the breadth and diversity of widely available news in every sector of interest approaches that eliminating from and accessible in the US.

This does not mean we must not protect our freedom of information. We must fight for it every day. We must use it every day.

I very much doubt the veracity of the study. Sounds like propaganda. But I will check the methodology used.

Hello back.

You're welcome.

The Brits(Telegraph mainly), Al-Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, are my preferred non financial news sites currently...All news is gonna have a bias and an agenda, the way I see it is you can take from many and form your own opinion or you can take from the ones based on the issue that don't have any skin in the game. They'll give their slant, but that, you know, is just, like, their opinion, man...

Americans have grown a tolerance for servitude.

I take the results at face value. Do I know America hasn't the freest press in the world? yes. Do I care if Ghana is freer? No.

I guess it is a case that I'm tired of hearing the BS of America's exceptionalism when we're not all that exceptional. Not any more...
 
I heard about this yesterday, and I can't say I'm surprised. When governments like the Obama Administration officials, start threatening to charge journalists for publishing information they consider damaging (but can't explain on what grounds) like Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras...who are both living in exile, because of rumors the Administration will stick them in the same hole they have waiting for Julian Assange, there is an obvious chilling effect that goes out and impacts on the way mainstream journalists report the news. Every dictatorship makes an example of some journalist they consider stepping over the line, and in good times, that keeps everyone else from asking unwanted questions.

I just finished listening to the 2nd part of a two part public broadcast radio interview of NSA whistleblower - Thomas Drake (here), and Obamabots who still live the fantasy of Hope and Change aren't going to like it, but in Drake's assessment of any differences between the Obama and Bush administrations, he concluded that things got worse....much worse under the Obama Administration than they were before under Bush/Cheney. If anything, Bush had regrets about the growing power of the NSA and how extensive surveillance was becoming, as well as the projection of power by stealth assassinations without trial. Obama has embraced the use of drones so much that he brags about it and has allowed deliberate leaks of how they set up the kill list in their Terror Tuesday meetings. Maybe it's a matter of wanting to be respected so badly by the military brass, that he will sign off on everything and anything they want to do. At least Bush ended up having to say no a few times to Cheney! With Obama, aside from appearances and image, this is like Cheney running loose with the all of the levers of power at his disposal, and no limits on how his underlings use and abuse those powers!

Yesterday, rumors were flying about...thanks in large part to Buzzfeed...that Edward Snowden will be dispatched by a targeted killing of some sort, if there are continued stories leaked out to Greenwald, Poitras and Jeremy Scahill's new media venture. They don't care whether or not Snowden still has files to release, or if Greenwald and others have those files. They would risk any backlash at killing Snowden to try to silence Greenwald & co.! A few years ago, we all would have relegated a rumor like that to tabloid news; but what has been discovered is that the U.S. has a government populated by political and department officials who have no respect for freedom or rule of law. So, should anyone be surprised that the U.S. is on its way down to third world status regarding press freedom?

BTW,Part one of the Drake interview is here: Podcast: Whistleblower Former NSA Exec Thomas Drake On Obama's Speech, Bengazi, 911 and more- part 1 | OpEdNews

Thank you for your comments. I would be surprised if Snowden makes it to his next milestone birthday.

I liked your comparison of Obama as an unshackled Cheney, though I think the two's motives are a bit different...

Thanks for the link I'll check it out...
 
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Hello back.

You're welcome.

The Brits(Telegraph mainly), Al-Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, are my preferred non financial news sites currently...All news is gonna have a bias and an agenda, the way I see it is you can take from many and form your own opinion or you can take from the ones based on the issue that don't have any skin in the game. They'll give their slant, but that, you know, is just, like, their opinion, man...

Americans have grown a tolerance for servitude.

I take the results at face value. Do I know America hasn't the freest press in the world? yes. Do I care if Ghana is freer? No.

I guess it is a case that I'm tired of hearing the BS of America's exceptionalism when we're not all that exceptional. Not any more...

You see. In many countries most people would not say that about their own country in an interview or with a foreigner. In indexes like this one or the one by transparency international this can skew the results so that the country results are not really comparable. This doesn't mean the organizations aren't valuable or do good work. But one does have to be careful using their indices.

Which Al Jazeera do you watch?
 
Re: The United States Just Finished 46th in a Press-Freedom Contest

You see. In many countries most people would not say that about their own country in an interview or with a foreigner. In indexes like this one or the one by transparency international this can skew the results so that the country results are not really comparable. This doesn't mean the organizations aren't valuable or do good work. But one does have to be careful using their indices.

Which Al Jazeera do you watch?

The one I understand ;)

I don't have cable, all my news comes from the web..

Yeah, like I said, face value, it is what it says and another one will undoubtedly say something different. I'm not one who finds truth in statistics...
 
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