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Texas police issue citation and claim it is illegal to offend someone (video)

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TEXAS - Police at the University of Texas have effectively ended 239 years of free speech in the United States. Video has surfaced online showing a Texas police officer issuing a citation to a man for offending someone. The police officer explains that it is 'illegal' to offend someone.



Texas Police: "It's Illegal to Offend Someone" - Conservative Outfitters
 
TEXAS - Police at the University of Texas have effectively ended 239 years of free speech in the United States. Video has surfaced online showing a Texas police officer issuing a citation to a man for offending someone. The police officer explains that it is 'illegal' to offend someone.



Texas Police: "It's Illegal to Offend Someone" - Conservative Outfitters




it sounds to me as if the cop works on the campus for the university.

if one can exercise the right to free speech on the campus, then one should be able to exerise the right to bear a firearms on campus... and we know that right is not being exercised
 
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I would like to know the state law or local ordinance that makes "offending someone" illegal? Anyone know?
 
****house lawyer wants to discuss it all on the street and is a bit of a dumb ****. He got a citation for disorderly conduct.
 
I would like to know the state law or local ordinance that makes "offending someone" illegal? Anyone know?

Texas Penal Code Title 9 Sec. 42.01.

DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

I can certainly see how the words "penis" and "anus" could be used in a indecent manner which would serve to incite a breach of the peace.

Neither the cop nor the fella he was ticketing, at least as far as I heard (I didn't watch the full video), explained exactly the context in which the words were used, nor did they mention who the words were used toward or in what manner.
 
TEXAS - Police at the University of Texas have effectively ended 239 years of free speech in the United States. Video has surfaced online showing a Texas police officer issuing a citation to a man for offending someone. The police officer explains that it is 'illegal' to offend someone.

Texas Police: "It's Illegal to Offend Someone" - Conservative Outfitters

Those are campus cops from the University of Texas. You may be aware that UT is in Austin which is not exactly a world renowned bastion of Constitutional Originalist thought.

Face it, there are college kids there and somebody needs to protect the children from stuff that might traumatize them. If you talk about God or try to humanize a fetus or suggest that expressions of independent thought hold comparable value to groupthink you're probably going to cause some kid a brain hemorrhage and that's just plain dangerous.
 
So was the guy too ashamed to post video of what he actually did to get the citation? There isn't enough here to pass judgement b
 
So was the guy too ashamed to post video of what he actually did to get the citation? There isn't enough here to pass judgement b
Good point! the words he chose may not have had as much content as the delivery.
Many languages have room between the lines in their spoken versions to convey, contempt, disgust,
and a whole range of other human emotions.
 
In Australia, the law is called 18C!
Thanks. In the US, we have a Constitutional right to be as verbally offensive as we want, just as long as our words don't incite others to break laws, or others to cause actual physical harm. Hurt feelings or being offended doesn't count.

I can certainly see how the words "penis" and "anus" could be used in a indecent manner which would serve to incite a breach of the peace.

Neither the cop nor the fella he was ticketing, at least as far as I heard (I didn't watch the full video), explained exactly the context in which the words were used, nor did they mention who the words were used toward or in what manner.

Thank you for providing that. It would appear that the officer may have been incorrect, since no where does the law mention offending someone, however if he wanted to say that the guy used "fighting words" or had in fact incited a breach of the peace the officer would have been on firmer ground, but even the statute that you quote says the language has "to incite an immediate breach of the peace ..." which this situation seemed to have not done (we didn't get to see video before the officer got there). I think the guy cited could probably win this in court on 1st Amendment grounds.
 
I think the idiot was with the other street preacher (Westboro variety) shown in the video and went a little off script, where he became eligible for arrest under disorderly in public statute. He was screaming at passersby and flipping everyone off.

The campus cop was young and didn't explain well.
 
I'm surprised this is happening in Texas. I can see how the "liberal" schools in the northeast have been working their way to this, but that bastion of "conservatism" seems very much against this. Go figure.
 
I'm surprised this is happening in Texas. I can see how the "liberal" schools in the northeast have been working their way to this, but that bastion of "conservatism" seems very much against this. Go figure.

UT Austin [and the city itself] are about Liberal as they come. There are a lot of Conservative students though.
 
I'm surprised this is happening in Texas. I can see how the "liberal" schools in the northeast have been working their way to this, but that bastion of "conservatism" seems very much against this. Go figure.

Its Austin. Austin is the bastion of liberalism in Texas.
 
UT Austin [and the city itself] are about Liberal as they come. There are a lot of Conservative students though.
Modern liberalism seems to be saying you can say anything you want,
as long as I agree with it!
 
Citation for 'offending someone'???
 
Citation for 'offending someone'???

No, for disorderly conduct. The young rent a cop explaining didn't know how to explain it. And he wasn't the one issuing the citation. That's what the real cop that campus police called was doing. Watch the video.
 
Thank you for providing that.

Sure.

Recently having moved to TX I was curious what the law might be too.

It would appear that the officer may have been incorrect, since no where does the law mention offending someone...

May have been.

May not have been.

The beauty of our criminal justice system is that at this point this fella has only been accused of breaking the law.

There's always the possibility that upon review by an authority more competent in interpreting the law the charges will be dropped.

...however if he wanted to say that the guy used "fighting words" or had in fact incited a breach of the peace the officer would have been on firmer ground...

Agreed.

The officer could have made a better argument on the scene for citing the guy.

But the cop doesn't have to remember the why and what-for behind each and every word in the penal code.

It would be ridiculous for us to think that he would have either that responsibility or even the ability to do so.

I think it's sufficient that so long as the cop can reasonably articulate for a judge the circumstances under which he issued the citation, and those circumstances warrant the charge, the exact words he used to explain the citation to the accused are largely irrelevant.

Whether the reasoning is that the words are "offensive" or that they "tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" the bottom line is that the words tend to piss people off and create a disturbance which could escalate.

I would submit that "being offended" doesn't necessarially mean that the offended party is going to crawl off to his or her safe place, suck on a pacifier, and cry.

The offense could also result in a verbal confrontation which might escalate.

It could also result in the offended party caving in someone's skull or drawing a gun and killing someone.

I mean, if I'm walking down the street with my wife and some idiot starts telling us what kinds of creative things he wants to do with his penis and my wife's anus there's a good chance that I'm going to be offended.

Under similar circumstances but assuming I'm walking down the street with one of my boys rather than my wife I can imagine statements being made that would result in an immediate and violent response on my part.

...but even the statute that you quote says the language has "to incite an immediate breach of the peace ..."

The law actually says:

"...language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace which this situation seemed to have not done ..."

That doesn't mean that it has to result in a breach of the peace in this circumstance or in every circumstance, just that it is language that is offensive enough in nature that it has, on frequent enough occasion, led to a breach of the peace.

I think the guy cited could probably win this in court on 1st Amendment grounds.

I certainly see that as being one possibility.
 
No, for disorderly conduct. The young rent a cop explaining didn't know how to explain it. And he wasn't the one issuing the citation. That's what the real cop that campus police called was doing. Watch the video.
How is saying something that is offensive to someone classified as "Disorderly Conduct"?
 
How is saying something that is offensive to someone classified as "Disorderly Conduct"?

Disorderly conduct is a catch-all in most places for behavior that disturbs the peace in some minor way.

Public intoxication, having a dog that barks around the clock and disturbs the neighborhood, playing the drums in your garage at 0300, begging or panhandling, loitering, throwing smoke bombs.

Speech that is deliberately offensive or intended to cause alarm is included.

It's a misdemeanor, not something that this guy is going to get thrown in jail for.

It's more a wake-up call than anything else, "Hey, you're not the only person on the planet and the world doesn't revolve around you. Have your fun but don't be an asshole who ruins everyone else's good time while you're at it."
 
Disorderly conduct is a catch-all in most places for behavior that disturbs the peace in some minor way.

Public intoxication, having a dog that barks around the clock and disturbs the neighborhood, playing the drums in your garage at 0300, begging or panhandling, loitering, throwing smoke bombs.

Speech that is deliberately offensive or intended to cause alarm is included.

It's a misdemeanor, not something that this guy is going to get thrown in jail for.

It's more a wake-up call than anything else, "Hey, you're not the only person on the planet and the world doesn't revolve around you. Have your fun but don't be an asshole who ruins everyone else's good time while you're at it."
So your position is that anytime someone takes offense to obnoxious behaviors of others, those engaging in the obnoxious behavior should be arrested and/or cited for Disorderly Conduct? All Black Lives Matter particpants must be cited for Disorderly Conduct because people are offended by their words?

Really? This is the road you think we were meant to walk?

This web site just became a ticking time bomb.
 
So your position is that anytime someone takes offense to obnoxious behaviors of others, those engaging in the obnoxious behavior should be arrested and/or cited for Disorderly Conduct?

You believe that people should be allowed to stagger around school playgrounds drunk off their ass, that I should be able to go outside at 3:00 in the morning on a Tuesday and band pots and pans together for an hour while lighting off fireworks, and walk around college campuses asking every teenage coed I come across if I can put my penis in her anus?

If so, PM me your address.

I'll stand in the street in front of your house banging pots and pans and I'll sexually harass your wife and kids every time they leave the house.

LMAO

I guarantee you'd be the first one to call the police.
 
PENAL CODE
TITLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND DECENCY
CHAPTER 42. DISORDERLY CONDUCT AND RELATED OFFENSES
Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;
(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner;
(5) makes unreasonable noise in a public place other than a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code, or in or near a private residence that he has no right to occupy;
(6) fights with another in a public place;
(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code;
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
(9) discharges a firearm on or across a public road;
(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act; or
(11) for a lewd or unlawful purpose:
(A) enters on the property of another and looks into a dwelling on the property through any window or other opening in the dwelling;
(B) while on the premises of a hotel or comparable establishment, looks into a guest room not the person's own through a window or other opening in the room; or
(C) while on the premises of a public place, looks into an area such as a restroom or shower stall or changing or dressing room that is designed to provide privacy to a person using the area.
(a-1) For purposes of Subsection (a), the term "public place" includes a public school campus or the school grounds on which a public school is located.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor had significant provocation for his abusive or threatening conduct.
(c) For purposes of this section:
(1) an act is deemed to occur in a public place or near a private residence if it produces its offensive or proscribed consequences in the public place or near a private residence; and
(2) a noise is presumed to be unreasonable if the noise exceeds a decibel level of 85 after the person making the noise receives notice from a magistrate or peace officer that the noise is a public nuisance.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event it is a Class B misdemeanor.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution for an offense under Subsection (a)(7) or (9) that the person who discharged the firearm had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the person or to another by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and Safety Code.
(f) Subsections (a)(1), (2), (3), (5), and (6) do not apply to a person who, at the time the person engaged in conduct prohibited under the applicable subdivision, was a student younger than 12 years of age, and the prohibited conduct occurred at a public school campus during regular school hours.
(g) Noise arising from space flight activities, as defined by Section 100A.001, Civil Practice and Remedies Code, if lawfully conducted, does not constitute "unreasonable noise" for purposes of this section.
 
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