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Mayor Forces Man To Leave Public Meeting Because He Won’t Stand During Prayer

the only people that are 'required' to swear allegiance are the "employees".

the signers of the constitution were the 'employees', or more correctly the "trustees" of the usufruct not the common people.

yes his rights were totally violated by the "Just-Us" club, and dont kid yourselves its that way everywhere in the US, its very easy to prove the US is a feudal society not to distant from mama land.

and................the employees swear to protect their corporate sovereign selves when they get the overlord job.

and thats the way it is on this day.... in my best walter cronkite voice.
 
rhinefire said:
You may disagree but that very flag you disrespect guarantees you that right to think freely.
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to think freely? you can do that in prison, best oxymoron I have seen in a long time!
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Another example of what's wrong with America - every waking hour is an opportunity to be offended and then launch a frivolous lawsuit.
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Frankly It is his patriotic duty to launch a lawsuit. When authority blatently breaks the law it must be challenged
 
ataturk said:
Frankly It is his patriotic duty to launch a lawsuit. When authority blatently breaks the law it must be challenged
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Pardon me if I don't share your view of patriotism - clogging up the courts with frivolous lawsuits and making slimy shysters rich is not my idea of patriotism.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Pardon me if I don't share your view of patriotism - clogging up the courts with frivolous lawsuits and making slimy shysters rich is not my idea of patriotism.
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But you support forcing people to worship other people's god, eh?

I support everyone's right to spend their entire life on their knees praying to a god that doesn't exist.

But I won't be joining them.
 
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Yes, the man should have the right to do as he pleases during the prayer as long as it is respectful.
 
Small city councils can get kooky. But other strange things can happen.

A couple hears ago at a public hearing, a young hippy looking ranking federal official (lawyer) with a government agency instructed the other federal and state officials present with him up front to NOT stand for and not participate in the pledge of allegiance at a required public hearing over proposed changes in administrative rules concerning waterways, when one of the local folks stood and stated all public government meeting in our city start with the pledge of allegiance.

It was rather bizarre in my opinion for 100% of local folks (about 150) all standing saying the pledge of allegiance while a row of seated federal and state officials, including some that officially are in law enforcement, boycotting the pledge
 
CanadaJohn said:
Another example of what's wrong with America - every waking hour is an opportunity to be offended and then launch a frivolous lawsuit.
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Don't want to be sued? Don't use your government position of power to force people to bow to your deity. That's actually been a rule since day 1.
 
KokomoJojo said:
to think freely? you can do that in prison, best oxymoron I have seen in a long time!
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Ever been to a country where free thinking gets you killed?
 
rhinefire said:
Ever been to a country where free thinking gets you killed?
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Like refusing to stand during an unlawful prayer gets you physically removed? (assaulted) That sort of tolerant free thinking country?
 
Do the people who pray before starting a meeting actually think that god is going to swoop down and help them make better decisions? Do athletes actually think that god intervenes to determine the outcome of the game? If so, isn't god awfully mundane in his activities? And if not, why do it? And what, honestly, is with all this asking god for stuff? And considering that prayer has been measured and doesn't affect anything besides how the person praying feels, isn't it kind of insane to keep doing it?

I think that's a serious part of this that needs addressing. Why would anyone be praying before or during a public meeting in the first place? Whoever is wanting to do that has some really crazy notions about how the universe works and what the character god does, or knows its an empty gesture just wasting everyone's time.

The whole thing is really weird to me.
 
Paschendale said:
Do the people who pray before starting a meeting actually think that god is going to swoop down and help them make better decisions? Do athletes actually think that god intervenes to determine the outcome of the game? If so, isn't god awfully mundane in his activities? And if not, why do it? And what, honestly, is with all this asking god for stuff? And considering that prayer has been measured and doesn't affect anything besides how the person praying feels, isn't it kind of insane to keep doing it?

I think that's a serious part of this that needs addressing. Why would anyone be praying before or during a public meeting in the first place? Whoever is wanting to do that has some really crazy notions about how the universe works and what the character god does, or knows its an empty gesture just wasting everyone's time.

The whole thing is really weird to me.
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Do people actually think that insulting our faith is going to magically make us switch to their side? Do they think that being condescending and trying to explain how the universe (how THEY think the universe) works is going to magically change our views? What REALLY needs addressing is why someone who is so dead set on the lack of existence of something...is afraid of it and feels the need to condemn people for believing and condescend to them for having the gal to believe something different.
 
stonewall50 said:
Do people actually think that insulting our faith is going to magically make us switch to their side? Do they think that being condescending and trying to explain how the universe (how THEY think the universe) works is going to magically change our views? What REALLY needs addressing is why someone who is so dead set on the lack of existence of something...is afraid of it and feels the need to condemn people for believing and condescend to them for having the gal to believe something different.
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I don't care about changing your mind. But people who are on the fence might read criticisms of religion and realize how absurd it is. And honestly, I wasn't insulting anyone. I was just thinking how bizarre the whole situation is. Tell me, do you think that god intervenes in sports? Do you think that god intervenes in governance? Do you honestly think that prayer influences the outcomes of those situations?
 
Paschendale said:
I don't care about changing your mind. But people who are on the fence might read criticisms of religion and realize how absurd it is.
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Absurd to you. To ME seeing the violence day in and day out, dealing with the deaths of 3 kids on one issue, dead parents, and all of that...and there being NO reason, no plan, NOTHING...is absurd. Absurd is subjective. Remember that.

And honestly, I wasn't insulting anyone.
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I should have been more careful with my wording. You weren't really. I agree. SOME people do insult as if it matters. What you were doing wasn't insulting though.

I was just thinking how bizarre the whole situation is.
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It sure is. But to many it is far more bizarre that there is just nothing.

Tell me, do you think that god intervenes in sports? Do you think that god intervenes in governance? Do you honestly think that prayer influences the outcomes of those situations?
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God has a plan. I'm not sure how prayer works with him. He told me to do it, so I do. This is what I know: I did a lot of praying when I and I do a lot of thanking God for what I have now. Some of it is absolutely what I prayed for. And the things I didn't get? Well it worked out a lot better. I met my future wife at a Christian business. Anyway not to sink too far into that BUT:

There is no doubt that prayer is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to increase positive thinking. There are visible tangible benefits to this stuff. Now you can be skeptical of the God thing. That's fine. But you can't deny the psychologically benefits to it.

I just find it amazing that we as a species discovered this positive stuff so long ago, and it still works today :)
 
stonewall50 said:
There is no doubt that prayer is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to increase positive thinking. There are visible tangible benefits to this stuff. Now you can be skeptical of the God thing. That's fine. But you can't deny the psychologically benefits to it.
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That same effect can easily be produced without asserting supernatural beings. It's the positivity, which comes from us, not the extolling of a divine ruler for boons.
 
Paschendale said:
That same effect can easily be produced without asserting supernatural beings. It's the positivity, which comes from us, not the extolling of a divine ruler for boons.
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Irrelevant. If I wish to achieve positivity through appealing to the supernatural AND IT WORKS...why would anyone seek to stop me? I find that absurd...and mean spirited.
 
Paschendale said:
Yeah, that's a pretty blatant violation. Nobody has to pray to anything, or pledge to anything. That includes that parts besides the words, like standing or kneeling or removing or putting something on your head.
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No one said he had to pray or pledge anything. He was asked to stand. I wonder how the liberals would feel if when a judge walks into the courtroom and the bailiff says, "All rise," and you say, "**** that," and stay seated and the judge finds you in contempt of court and sends you to jail? How about someone who refused to promise to tell the truth when a witness in court?

I wonder what the nitwit would have done if everyone had just ignored him?
 
why is orlando even doing a prayer? I thought church and state were supposed to be kept separate
 
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