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Are you obese?[W:60]*****

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have you tried coke zero? i really like it. i went from "diet soda is ****" to preferring it. just took a bit of time.

I used to be absolutely, helplessly fond of Fresca, the only 'diet' soda (or soda of any kind at all) that I ever liked, and then one day, maybe 13 years ago, I woke up, took a sip, and spit it out.

Overnight it just tasted like an exhaust stream from a Union Carbide factory, like a refractory that wouldn't die even at 1000C.

Haven't had a drink since.
 
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I used to be absolutely, helplessly fond of Fresca, the only 'diet' soda (or soda of any kind at all) that I ever liked, and then one day, maybe 13 years ago, I woke up, took a sip, and spit it out.

Overnight it just tasted like an exhaust stream from a Union Carbide factory, like a refractory that wouldn't die even at 1000C.

Haven't had a drink since.

what do you drink now? i'm big into soda still. i also really like Ocean Spray diet juice.
 
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I used to have one freckle on my knee but had it removed so now I am back to being perfect in every way.
 
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I think nutrient dense diets that have reasonable calorie levels, combined with exercise, are the way to lose weight, and not straight up caloric restriction. Most super obese Americans are actually malnourished because they eat calorie rich food that lacks the RDA of everything they need.



Apparently high cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease as once thought. It's funny how decades of dogma are being undone now, just like the whole saturated fat scare. My uncle is one of those unfortunate souls who now has heart disease because he avoided saturated fat and went on statins, and now all the evidence shows that combo is the quickest way to heart disease.

I'll just point out that this is completely wrong. Statins are protective- very protective- for heart disease, and saturated fat is also not good, but not as bad as was once thought.
 
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I'll just point out that this is completely wrong. Statins are protective- very protective- for heart disease, and saturated fat is also not good, but not as bad as was once thought.

It's the ratio of fats that's more important, but in the 90's it was really pushed home that people should avoid saturated fat completely. People ate disgusting margarine instead of real grass fed butter. This is wrong.

As for statins, here are two opposite perspectives:
Statin Risks Outweighed by Statin Benefits
"Statins - Are YOU Taking These Dangerous Cholesterol Drugs?"

I know people who were ruined by statins, and they're usually unnecessary if you eat properly and lead an active lifestyle.
 
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I'll just point out that this is completely wrong. Statins are protective- very protective- for heart disease, and saturated fat is also not good, but not as bad as was once thought.

You might not want to go out there on that limb about statins:

But while nearly all experts agree that statins are beneficial for people at a substantial risk for heart disease, some medical researchers argue that statins do little or no good — and possible harm — for people at lower risk of heart disease. The conflict has burst into public view in the United Kingdom — and is likely heading here, too.

A bruising battle has played out for several years between Britain’s two leading medical research journals, the Lancet and the British Medical Journal (BMJ), which have accused each other of endangering public health. The debate has gotten so heated that it has made tabloid headlines (“STATIN WAR,” blasted the Daily Mail). It began when BMJ first questioned statins’ usefulness in 2014, publishing two articles that argued that the drug was being overprescribed to people with low risk of heart disease. It also claimed that the side effects from the drugs were worse than previously thought.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-debate-over-cholesterol-drugs-side-effects/
 
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It's the ratio of fats that's more important, but in the 90's it was really pushed home that people should avoid saturated fat completely. People ate disgusting margarine instead of real grass fed butter. This is wrong.

As for statins, here are two opposite perspectives:
Statin Risks Outweighed by Statin Benefits
"Statins - Are YOU Taking These Dangerous Cholesterol Drugs?"

I know people who were ruined by statins, and they're usually unnecessary if you eat properly and lead an active lifestyle.

Don't ever believe anything on Mercola's website. Ever.

Statins are very protective of atherosclerotic disease in high and even moderate risk people. The evidence is incredibly strong on this, and I'm fairly convinced that the drop in cardiac disease over the last 20 years can be largely attributed to statins.
 
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I'm not really on a limb. I participated in some of the major research, and have a pretty solid understanding of the risk/benefit.

And the articles you cite are discussing use in low risk patients, which is probably not a great idea, mostly because preventative medicine in ANY low risk person isn't a great idea.

But then again, I think of the 10 and 20 year followup with the WOSCOPS study, and wonder if even short periods of time on the drug can have long lasting disease modifying effects. But that's technical talk...
 
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Nope. Ive been thin since I was a kid and havent gotten fat no matter what I eat. Must be genetics. :cool:

Of course I eat moderate, balanced portions now though I splurge every once in awhile.
 
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Don't ever believe anything on Mercola's website. Ever.

Statins are very protective of atherosclerotic disease in high and even moderate risk people. The evidence is incredibly strong on this, and I'm fairly convinced that the drop in cardiac disease over the last 20 years can be largely attributed to statins.

Ok, believe what you like. I don't worship Mercola it was just a good reference point for stuff I already knew. Cheers.
 
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and do you wish you were determined enough to change yourself through diet?



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Nope.

I eat pretty much whatever I want. I have generally good instincts about that though. I'd take sushi over fries any day.

I don't really know how much I get through in a day calorie-wise, but I have a feeling it's a lot. I'm one of those people who actually struggles to keep my weight high enough, so I suspect I intake more than is strictly average for most people of my height/build.

My parents were the same and didn't really put on any weight until their 50's. Even then, neither got to be heavy. They more just moved into the middle-to-high end of a normal BMI. I suspect it's partly genetic, but also partly that we were one of the few families of this era that just never ate much junk food.

I suspect my issue is not going to be my weight, but rather making sure I'm not overdoing the sugar, and I'm in good enough shape to keep my joints together (I'm hypermobile). I don't do a good enough job on either of those things, and on the latter, I've already started to pay for it. I've got an ankle that I've wrecked 4 times and now aches when it rains. :lol:

But weight-wise, I tend to be much more concerned with actually keeping it on.
 
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Nope, not obese. I'm 10 lbs heavier than I'd like to be thanks to my love of wine and sweets. But I'm ok with that.
 
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and do you wish you were determined enough to change yourself through diet?



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I did change my diet a couple years ago. I used to have like, a full fast food or restaurant lunch every single day. I was never obese but I was starting to gain weight for sure. Now I mainly just basically snack during the day, try to drink more water, take the stairs or walk up our parking garage a few times a day and my only really full meal is dinner. It's made a difference plus I'm pretty much done by the time I go home and that works for me. I'll never be a gym rat.
 
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I did change my diet a couple years ago. I used to have like, a full fast food or restaurant lunch every single day. I was never obese but I was starting to gain weight for sure. Now I mainly just basically snack during the day, try to drink more water, take the stairs or walk up our parking garage a few times a day and my only really full meal is dinner. It's made a difference plus I'm pretty much done by the time I go home and that works for me. I'll never be a gym rat.

Once I turned 50, losing weight became a real bear. I'm big into cycling--not racing or anything, but I ride a lot of miles as fast as I can. I burn at least 3000 K-calories a day riding.

So, it used to be that I would gain about 10 lbs when I put the bike up during winter, but I'd lose it all by early May, after riding about a 1000 miles, and then balance out around 190-200 lbs. Now, I'm a solid 230 late in the cycling season--after riding over 5000 miles--and if I let myself gain any weight over winter, it sticks like glue. :(
 
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Ok, believe what you like. I don't worship Mercola it was just a good reference point for stuff I already knew. Cheers.

Nope nope nope. If Mercola tells you something you 'know', it's best to reassess what you think you know.

He's a charlatan and a fraud.
 
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what do you drink now? i'm big into soda still. i also really like Ocean Spray diet juice.

Mineral water. Perrier, mostly, as it's the most strongly carbonated. No sodas of any type, whatsoever.

The rare white grapefruit juice, too.
 
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You'd actually do better giving up carbs.

You can have my carbs and meat when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
 
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Nope.

I'm very skinny, because I have a high metabolism.

Wait until you hit my age, when you'll find yourself constantly three pizzas and a cheeseburger away from gaining another 25 pounds.
 
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I'm very satisfied with my weight and averagely satisfied with my muscle mass. The hormonal imbalance associated with teenage left me overweight for a few years before I finally committed myself to proper exercises and bodybuilding. I just wish I could afford a better diet to go with my workout regiment.
 
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In US culture its common practice to excuse obesity, gluttony and the diseases that go with it.
 
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