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Veganism Is An Eating Diisorder

Militant_Vegan_ said:
we also died young because we lived off from meat. this shouldn't be that confusing.
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If you believe that life expectancy was short because we ate meat you have absolutely no education on how superior medical care and the discovery of things like penicillin has extended human life. Plenty of people live long lives, vegan or not. So stop with the ideologue uneducated crap. Perhaps if you didn't behave in a holier than thou way... and you certainly aren't "holier than thou" you wouldn't get all the crap that you get.
 
Vegans have less heart disease, less cancer and live longer. fact.
 
McDougall Success Story:
Multiple Medications, 40 Pounds, and Health Problems Gone in Four Months


Our story began in 2007, when I visited my doctor because of a number of troubling symptoms, including acid reflux and chronic painful heartburn. Blood tests revealed high cholesterol, and my doctor wrote me prescriptions for Simvistatin, Niaspan, Tricor, and Pantoprazole.

Over the course of four years, these medications produced small incremental improvements in my LDL cholesterol. But my HDL cholesterol and triglycerides were not improving, so my doctor kept increasing my medications. I still suffered from acid reflux episodes at least once a week, and I had also developed constipation as a result of all the medications.


Realizing that I had absolutely no control over my health, I grew increasingly frustrated: Enough is enough, I thought, and I set out on a mission to find myself a cure. I watched many documentaries, read books, and surfed the web. Nothing grabbed my attention until I found Forks Over Knives on Netflix. When my wife and I watched the film, we felt as though a veil had been lifted from our eyes. We learned about the “whole-food, plant-based diet” (no flesh, dairy, or eggs, no refined or processed foods like white rice, white sugar, and white flour, and no oils … not even olive oil). We were both inspired to embrace these changes, which we knew would be an enduring lifestyle decision, not just a temporary dietary modification. We made an enthusiastic decision to start the very next day.

Our Whole-Food, Plant-Based Journey
So started our whole-food, plant-based journey on January 22, 2012. Within two short weeks, I started to feel better, and the weight started melting off. One month into this new lifestyle, I stopped taking my acid reflux and cholesterol medications (without my doctor’s knowledge), because I wanted to get a clear sense of my true, unmedicated health status on my next blood test.

At my next doctor visit four months later, my doctor was stunned. I had lost 40 pounds, my acid reflux had disappeared, my blood glucose had normalized, my LDL and triglycerides were lower, and my HDL, surprisingly, had gone up! She suggested that the medications she had prescribed must have been working. But I told her about my new lifestyle change, and that I was no longer taking the medications. Not only that, but I no longer experienced heartburn or constipation; my digestion, sleep, and skin had improved; my hair and nails grew faster; and even my vision prescription had improved! With eyebrow raised, she advised me to keep doing whatever I had been doing.

One year later, my doctor ordered only a lipid panel at my annual physical, as most everything had normalized. She did check my liver, vitamin D, vitamin B12, and protein levels, which I am happy to report, were all within healthy limits.

Here is a comparison of my blood test results in 2012 and 2015:

2012 2015 Difference
Total Cholesterol 241 160 -81 points
LDL 155 57 -98 points
HDL 33 54 +21 points
Triglycerides 409 162 -247 points
Weight 180 140 -40 pounds
My new diet costs me less than I used to spend on meat, cheese, and other dairy products, and I also get to pocket the $200 I used to spend on medications each month. The only negative is that I’ve had to buy new clothes to fit my size-30 waistline!

McDougall Success Stories: Multiple Medications, 40 Pounds, and Health Problems Gone in Four Months
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
If you believe that life expectancy was short because we ate meat you have absolutely no education on how superior medical care and the discovery of things like penicillin has extended human life. Plenty of people live long lives, vegan or not. So stop with the ideologue uneducated crap. Perhaps if you didn't behave in a holier than thou way... and you certainly aren't "holier than thou" you wouldn't get all the crap that you get.
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Most Western doctors are trained to use chemicals to treat the human body. They are genuinely shocked when they see results from going to a plant-strong way of eating.
 
PoS said:
Tu qouque. LOL do you actually read the responses in all your threads? :lamo


LOL one lie after another.
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weak. you don't seem to be refuting the other members who have shot down your simple "theories" of plant based dets being healthy. LOL.

Did you take your multivitamin yet today??
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
Vegans have less heart disease, less cancer and live longer. fact.
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the secret is not in being vegan but in having healty eating habits .My granddad was never vegan but had a organic life style including his diets .he died at 80 but not of cancer ,hypertension,heart attack etc.he never suffered alzheimer either.
 
DA60 said:
Providing you take vitamins to make up for a couple of nutrients/vitamins that are difficult to get in non-meat sources.
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For me that says it all. You have to pop pills, your diet's lacking.

I was vegetarian for 6 years in my youth. My motivation was economic and political, the old "the grain it takes to feed one cow could feed several families in the third world" argument. Having met many people from third world countries, and been to many third world countries where people dream of being able to have more meat, I now find that argument patronising and unrealistic.

DA60 said:
Why am I a vegetarian? Primarily because I think it is wrong to eat something you are not prepared to kill and dress/prepare yourself. And there is NO WAY I would ever kill a cow unless my life literally depended on it. The same more or less goes for a pig. A little less for a chicken and a lot less for a fish.
But I still would not want to kill any of them...to varying degrees.
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I respect your point of view. I just don't like it when the likes of Militant Vegan preach at us non-stop with their "we're right and you're all wrong" arrogance.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
For me that says it all. You have to pop pills, your diet's lacking.

I was vegetarian for 6 years in my youth. My motivation was economic and political, the old "the grain it takes to feed one cow could feed several families in the third world" argument. Having met many people from third world countries, and been to many third world countries where people dream of being able to have more meat, I now find that argument patronising and unrealistic.



I respect your point of view. I just don't like it when the likes of Militant Vegan preach at us non-stop with their "we're right and you're all wrong" arrogance.
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Exactly. Unless it's religious or cultural (or, as in the OP, an eating disorder), vegan/vegetarianism is an affectation, a self-indulgence on the part of (relatively) wealthy people. Millions of people are vegetarians because they have no choice in the matter, they're in dire poverty, and they have low life expectancy and high infant mortality.
 
Grand Mal said:
Exactly. Unless it's religious or cultural (or, as in the OP, an eating disorder), vegan/vegetarianism is an affectation, a self-indulgence on the part of (relatively) wealthy people. Millions of people are vegetarians because they have no choice in the matter, they're in dire poverty, and they have low life expectancy and high infant mortality.
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ridiculous. you should travel to India sometime. Up to 40 percent of the population is vegetarian and healthy.

There are also people who only eat once or twice a week who are very healthy. more should do that.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
For me that says it all. You have to pop pills, your diet's lacking.

I was vegetarian for 6 years in my youth. My motivation was economic and political, the old "the grain it takes to feed one cow could feed several families in the third world" argument. Having met many people from third world countries, and been to many third world countries where people dream of being able to have more meat, I now find that argument patronising and unrealistic.



I respect your point of view. I just don't like it when the likes of Militant Vegan preach at us non-stop with their "we're right and you're all wrong" arrogance.
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you can't have it both ways. on one hand you say eating vegetarian for your health is for rich people who are "self indulgent". that's a riot. staying healthy is self indulgent.
and those third worlders who are eating more meat are getting obese and the diabetes rate is skyrocketing. that's success, huh?
 
Grand Mal said:
they're in dire poverty, and they have low life expectancy and high infant mortality.
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French comedian Gad Elmaleh had a great joke in one of his stand up routines.

"I asked my mother what they call people who don't eat meat and she said, "The Poor""
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
ridiculous. you should travel to India sometime. Up to 40 percent of the population is vegetarian and healthy.

There are also people who only eat once or twice a week who are very healthy. more should do that.
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I have been to India. The healthiest people I saw were in Kerala, where the muslim and christian populations eat meat and particularly fish as part of a very varied, balanced diet. Yes many Hindus are vegan, and they have high rates of rickets and osteoporosis due to Vitamin D deficiency.

NOBODY who only eats once or twice a week is healthy. You make some wild claims.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
you can't have it both ways. on one hand you say eating vegetarian for your health is for rich people who are "self indulgent". that's a riot. staying healthy is self indulgent.
and those third worlders who are eating more meat are getting obese and the diabetes rate is skyrocketing. that's success, huh?
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Vegetarianism and veganism, if not imposed by poverty, are largely rich world, urban middle-class phenomena.

Some third worlders are getting obese and unhealthy as they adopt a McDonalds/Coke/fast food lifestyle. That's not the same as suddenly having choice in your life, having not had meat because you either couldn't afford it or it wasn't available. Many others in the third world have been lifted out of poverty and are living healthier lifestyles because they now have choice and their diets are more varied - including meat and fish. Amongst the diets recognised as the healthiest diets in the world are those such as for example the meditteranean diet, which feathure most heavily FISH. Rather than imposing or promoting vegetarianism or veganism on the third world, I would rather fund health education programmes in the third world AND the west to educate against the harms of the fast food industry, supporting movements like the Slow Food movement or the campaigns in France against "mal bouffe" (bad food) - which have largely come from agricultural figures like José Bové who are very much in favour of the good, healthy, organic meat industry. Meat doesn't automatically equals a Big Mac, and if grown adults do, despite the evidence, choose to go to McDo, that's their free choice and they can eat what the hell they like.
 
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Urethra Franklin said:
Vegetarianism and veganism, if not imposed by poverty, are largely rich world, urban middle-class phenomena.

Some third worlders are getting obese and unhealthy as they adopt a McDonalds/Coke/fast food lifestyle. That's not the same as suddenly having choice in your life, having not had meat because you either couldn't afford it or it wasn't available. Many others in the third world have been lifted out of poverty and are living healthier lifestyles because they now have choice and their diets are more varied - including meat and fish. Amongst the diets recognised as the healthiest diets in the world are those such as for example the meditteranean diet, which feathure most heavily FISH. Rather than imposing or promoting vegetarianism or veganism on the third world, I would rather fund health education programmes in the third world AND the west to educate against the harms of the fast food industry, supporting movements like the Slow Food movement or the campaigns in France against "mal bouffe" (bad food) - which have largely come from agricultural figures like José Bové who are very much in favour of the good, healthy, organic meat industry. Meat doesn't automatically equals a Big Mac, and if grown adults do, despite the evidence, choose to go to McDo, that's their free choice and they can eat what the hell they like.
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wow, that's brilliant. you've gone from claiming it's healthy to saying people have a right to be fat and unhealthy.

by the way, professor, the Mediterranean diet is very light on meat.
 
DA60 said:
I don't know about veganism.

But I have been a vegetarian (off and on - about 90% on) for decades. Plus I used to be a medium intensity bodybuilder (again, about 90% while I was vegetarian).

Providing you take vitamins to make up for a couple of nutrients/vitamins that are difficult to get in non-meat sources, a vegetarian diet gives you everything you need to be healthy...including plenty of protein if you watch it right.

And it is much better for your overall well being - especially compared to a red-meat heavy diet. And it is cheaper to boot.


Why am I a vegetarian? Primarily because I think it is wrong to eat something you are not prepared to kill and dress/prepare yourself. And there is NO WAY I would ever kill a cow unless my life literally depended on it. The same more or less goes for a pig. A little less for a chicken and a lot less for a fish.
But I still would not want to kill any of them...to varying degrees.
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even if you are prepared to kill and dress your own harvest, ya really can't realistically hunt most of the meats people eat.
folks with a bit of land surely can raise the animals for slaughter... but as far i know, there's no hunting season for cow and pig. :lol:

I eat everything.. red meat, fish, fowl, vegetables.... you name it , I eat it.
my body was build for it.... the human body was built for it.


there's no problem with what anybody eats, though... the problems only arise when folks stop minding their own business on the matter.
you're a vegetarian?.. great.. super... we're cool right up until you start squealing about me eating meat, or i start squealing about you eating only vegetables.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
wow, that's brilliant. you've gone from claiming it's healthy to saying people have a right to be fat and unhealthy.
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Yes people do have a right to eat what they want. And a varied, balanced diet that includes meat, fish and dairy is healthier than an exclusively vegan one.
Either you can't read, or you're being deliberately obtuse.

Militant_Vegan_ said:
by the way, professor, the Mediterranean diet is very light on meat.
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But it doesn't exclude it Elton, and it is far from vegan.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
Most Western doctors are trained to use chemicals to treat the human body. They are genuinely shocked when they see results from going to a plant-strong way of eating.
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Guess what? That does NOTHING to alter the facts in what I posted. The position of yours that I refuted, remains refuted.
 
PoS said:
When Veganism Is an Eating Disorder - The Daily Beast

Proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
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As much as I disagree with the vegan movement for both promoting itself as healthier and also more ethical -- both either out-rightly false or extremely debatable claims -- what about the millions of vegetarians and vegans these people DON'T see in their clinics?

I'm sure eating disorders clinics are more likely to see people who follow ANY kind of strict diet, including ones that include meat. I'm sure you'd see the same increase in disordered eating behaviors if you looked exclusively at Atkins fanatics (I just Googled it out of curiosity, and low and behold, I'm getting lots of hits for people who've developed eating disorders after doing Atkins). Micromanaging one's diet can be a symptom or a trigger for eating disorders. That's not news to anyone.

While I can think of a vegan I know right off the top of my head who probably has some kind of eating issue, I can also think of two others I'm pretty certain don't, and none of the vegetarians I know do.

Such a silly, sweeping claim that every non-meat-eater is an anorexic is every bit as ridiculous as vegans trying to claim they're healthier despite their numerous common deficiencies and not-so-wonderful mortality rate. It's just as absurdly hackish and contradicted by reality.

So I'd suggest you try not becoming what you hate, personally.
 
PoS said:
Proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
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Don't get me going on my SIL;). She claims she is a vegan but also can't eat certain fruits and veggies due to acid. She can't eat gluten products. Sugar is a sin. She is literally down to eating plain lettuce with a few slivers of carrots. She weighs about 70 pounds. People who obsess about food usually have food issues.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Don't get me going on my SIL;). She claims she is a vegan but also can't eat certain fruits and veggies due to acid. She can't eat gluten products. Sugar is a sin. She is literally down to eating plain lettuce with a few slivers of carrots. She weighs about 70 pounds. People who obsess about food usually have food issues.
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eating healthy isn't the same thing as obsessing.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
eating healthy isn't the same thing as obsessing.
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Oh sure, that's a great example of healthy eating. She also thinks she may have a soy allergy because every time she eats soy she feels sick. She has cut out meat, nuts, dairy, any kind of protein, a variety of fruits and veggies (she can't eat anything with starches or too much sugar including natural sugar), whole grains (she can't just not consume them but if she touches them they some how get into her blood stream), anything with gluten....I could literally go on for pages, but she is down to a couple of mostly water filled veggies.
 
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