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Where’s the Beet? Veggie Burgers Even Carnivores Will Crave

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Last 10 years I've cut down on my meat for healthier Fish and Fowl.
Of late, even the occasional veggie burger at the chain Houston's and elsewhere.

Where's the Beet? Veggie Burgers Even Carnivores Will Crave - WSJ
Top chefs are taking veggie burgers from merely expedient to truly exquisite. You won’t miss the meat in these recipes from chefs Daniel Humm of the NoMad in Manhattan and Tory Miller of Graze in Madison, Wis.
By Elizabth G Dunn.
Wall St Journal/Oct. 2015

IT HASN’T ALWAYS been easy to love veggie burgers. A dreary disc of some soy product or other, complete with counterfeit grill marks, has long served as the vegetarian’s repast of last resort. But now, at last, top chefs are making over the much-maligned menu item.

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New York City, in particular—a steak and burger town if there ever was one—is witnessing a proliferation of meatless patties. Brooks Headley, the former pastry chef of Del Posto, opened a fast-casual spot called Superiority Burger in June, with vegetarian patties in the title role.

At the opulent NoMad Bar, Daniel Humm started offering a version earlier this year. April Bloomfield has become justly famous for her unctuous lamb and Roquefort burger at the Spotted Pig; when she opens Salvation Burger in December, the menu will feature a meat-free patty. Even Ralph Lauren’s clubby Polo Bar—about as far as a diner can get from hippy-dippy-vegan—has its own pea, fava and carrot rendition.

The secret of these burgers’ success? Not trying in the slightest to imitate meat...
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The NoMad Bar Veggie Burger With Piquillo Aioli​
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Looks yummy,

I'm a vegetarian. However, My girlfriend and I usually don't try to make copies of meat dishes. There are so many delicious veggie dishes that exist independent of burgers, etc.

I don't know if a vegetarian diet I'd is 'best' but certainly a positive to limit red meat intake. I find the real benefit shows up in the over 50 years. Most of our veggie friends are healthy, active. In contrast, a lot of daily meat eaters can't even run a half mile without gasping for breath...just not getting the oxygen circulating.

We'll have to give that one a try.
 
I've gotta say, i'm not a Vegetarian, but I love veggie burgers. My sister is a Vegetarian, and got me hooked on them. Especially after gaining some pounds over the Thanksgiving holiday, substituting meat for these things really make a difference... I lost all the weight since, and feel like possibly someday substituting them for regular burgers, not because I don't want to eat burgers, but because I know they have better benefits than biting into a thick juicy burger.
 
mbig said:
Last 10 years I've cut down on my meat for healthier Fish and Fowl.
Of late, even the occasional veggie burger at the chain Houston's and elsewhere.

Where's the Beet? Veggie Burgers Even Carnivores Will Crave - WSJ
Top chefs are taking veggie burgers from merely expedient to truly exquisite. You won’t miss the meat in these recipes from chefs Daniel Humm of the NoMad in Manhattan and Tory Miller of Graze in Madison, Wis.
By Elizabth G Dunn.
Wall St Journal/Oct. 2015
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Well, even Schwarzenegger said we have to give up meat for the climate.
 
Iamjesus said:
Looks yummy,

I'm a vegetarian. However, My girlfriend and I usually don't try to make copies of meat dishes. There are so many delicious veggie dishes that exist independent of burgers, etc.

I don't know if a vegetarian diet I'd is 'best' but certainly a positive to limit red meat intake. I find the real benefit shows up in the over 50 years. Most of our veggie friends are healthy, active. In contrast, a lot of daily meat eaters can't even run a half mile without gasping for breath...just not getting the oxygen circulating.

We'll have to give that one a try.
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I actually have been eating veggie paddies for quite some time. They can be quite good or rather disappointing.
I cannot substantiate the vegetarians are more healthy theory, though, I have heard it and there are populations that live longer on fish.

BTW: Try veggie burgers with green peas, steak and gravy. That can be excellent.
 
Veggie Burgers ALL taste like crap!

If there is no BEEF, then it ain't no BURGER!
 
I tried a veggie burger once. It was awful.

If youre gonna go vegetarian, dont try to make a meal that resembles meat. Go for Indian food- they make wonderful vegetarian dishes.
 
PoS said:
I tried a veggie burger once. It was awful.

If youre gonna go vegetarian, dont try to make a meal that resembles meat. Go for Indian food- they make wonderful vegetarian dishes.
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Veggie food is tasty. Agree that processed imitation burgers and such taste like crap. I think the fake stuff actually turns off most people who want to reduce red meat. If desired to have some burger, One can make ones own much cheaper and tastier.
 
PoS said:
I tried a veggie burger once. It was awful.

If youre gonna go vegetarian, dont try to make a meal that resembles meat. Go for Indian food- they make wonderful vegetarian dishes.
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I wonder how much money they can make if they can get everyone to at least try their crap ??

Enough to cover their initial investment and then cash out ??

Sort of like snake oil dealers in the 1800's ??
 
PoS said:
I tried a veggie burger once. It was awful.

If youre gonna go vegetarian, dont try to make a meal that resembles meat. Go for Indian food- they make wonderful vegetarian dishes.
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There used to be a kosher veggie place down on Delancy St, by the Williamsburg Bridge, that had an awesome veggie patty with a mushroom gravy. It's like the article said "The secret of these burgers’ success? Not trying in the slightest to imitate meat"
 
I like my burgers they are a part of the 20% garbage part of my diet

the 80% I try to keep clean with veggies, fruit, nut milks

I am a sugaraholic so when I allow myself sugar and fall off the wagon it is pitiful

processed sugar is the worst thing you can put into your body

processed veggie burgers can't be all that good for you but we should be eating far less meat than we do
 
Worry about your food less and enjoy it more. Calling them "burgers" is where they go wrong in the first place. Call something a burger and folks expect it to taste like a burger.

Now, quick quiz, name a vegetarian who lived to 100. It aint your diet, it's your genetics. If you have the party gene you should use the damn thing.
 
sangha said:
Forbes Welcome
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Sorry, I don't accept advo cookies and thus will never get beyond the welcome screen.

Many centenarians manage to avoid chronic diseases even after indulging in a lifetime of serious health risks. For example, many people in the New England Centenarian Study experienced a century free of cancer or heart disease despite smoking as many as 60 cigarettes a day for 50 years. The same applies to people from Okinawa in Japan, where around half of supercentenarians had a history of smoking and one-third were regular alcohol drinkers. It is possible that these people may have had genes that protected them from the dangers of carcinogens or the random mutations that crop up naturally when cells divide.

Similarly, centenarian research carried out at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine found that the individuals studied had less than sterling health habits. As a group, for example, they were more obese, more sedentary and exercised less than other, younger cohorts. The researchers also discovered three uncommon genotype similarities among the centenarians: one gene that causes HDL cholesterol to be at levels two- to three-fold higher than average; another gene that results in a mildly underactive thyroid; and a functional mutation in the human growth hormone axis that may be a safeguard from aging-associated diseases.[16]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_into_centenarians

None of this is affected by eating meat. However, lack of the proper protein combinations does indeed have a marked impact upon longevity.
 
clownboy said:
Worry about your food less and enjoy it more. Calling them "burgers" is where they go wrong in the first place. Call something a burger and folks expect it to taste like a burger.

Now, quick quiz, name a vegetarian who lived to 100. It aint your diet, it's your genetics. If you have the party gene you should use the damn thing.
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I can't say you are entirely wrong there since I believe our days are numbered and no amount of wheat grass will increase your life by a single day...I do believe you can gorge yourself daily if you choose but what you can't do with that life style is live a healthy, happy, active existence...what a terrible way to live and then exist the last ten or so years taking pills and watching your body shut down

no thanks, I will die healthy
 
_Sal said:
I can't say you are entirely wrong there since I believe our days are numbers and no amount of wheat grass will increase your life by a single day...I do believe you can gorge yourself daily if you choose but what you can't do with that life style is live a healthy, happy, active existence...what a terrible way to live and then exist the last ten or years taking pills and watching your body shut down

no thanks, I will die healthy
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Except you can live a healthy, happy, non-active existence if you have the right genetic makeup. If you don't, not eating meat isn't going to help, and it just may hurt. If you die healthy, someone has done you wrong my friend. :lamo
 
clownboy said:
Except you can live a healthy, happy, non-active existence if you have the right genetic makeup. If you don't, not eating meat isn't going to help, and it just may hurt. If you die healthy, someone has done you wrong my friend. :lamo
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:lol: nah at some point old age is going to kill those who have survived for the longest as our organs have an expiry date

few have that genetic make up, and meat protein is not for everyone, just like vegetarianism is not for everyone, each of us must find what works best for our particular genetic makeup

lots of research goes a long way, there are tons of ways to increase our health, and vitality through nutrition

I am not much of a supporter of the way we now husband our animals for market, it disgusts me frankly, I couldn't in good conscience support that industry but I still like a good prime rib or burger...it would be much easier to feed the world if we would give up a bit of meat each week
 
joG said:
I actually have been eating veggie paddies for quite some time. They can be quite good or rather disappointing.
I cannot substantiate the vegetarians are more healthy theory, though, I have heard it and there are populations that live longer on fish.

BTW: Try veggie burgers with green peas, steak and gravy. That can be excellent.
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The longest lived cultures on earth eat very little meat. However, they do tend to eat fish. We eat a pescetarian diet.
 
clownboy said:
Worry about your food less and enjoy it more. Calling them "burgers" is where they go wrong in the first place. Call something a burger and folks expect it to taste like a burger.

Now, quick quiz, name a vegetarian who lived to 100. It aint your diet, it's your genetics. If you have the party gene you should use the damn thing.
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Genetics gets you to a hundred. However, diet can certainly add years to your life. For example, Seventh Day Adventists are vegetarians and live an average of 7 years longer for men and 4 years longer for women. Pescetarians on average live several years longer than meat eaters. After all the longest lived culture on earth the Okinawans are pescetarians.

Even if you eat nothing but organic grass fed red meat, the heme iron alone in it significantly increases your colon cancer risks.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Genetics gets you to a hundred. However, diet can certainly add years to your life. For example, Seventh Day Adventists are vegetarians and live an average of 7 years longer for men and 4 years longer for women. Pescetarians on average live several years longer than meat eaters. After all the longest lived culture on earth the Okinawans are pescetarians.

Even if you eat nothing but organic grass fed red meat, the heme iron alone in it significantly increases your colon cancer risks.
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The advantage is in the lifestyle as a whole, not necessarily the diet. Even then, they're not centenarians. As to diet, only few plant based combinations possess the amino acid chains necessary for human protein absorption and none by themselves, as meat does by itself. Our bodies need meat for protein. It's not the iron that increases colon cancer risk, but the processing and even then you have to eat meat rather heavily.

In terms of longevity, look to telomerase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase
 
clownboy said:
It aint your diet, it's your genetics. If you have the party gene you should use the damn thing.
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It is both. Your genetics give you your foundation. A person with excellent genetics who smokes, gets drunk every night, and eats tons of junk food may outlive a person with horrible genetics who eats clean and exercises. But the person with excellent genetics could still live even longer by living a healthier lifestyle. When it comes to living a long healthy life you are only competing with yourself.
 
clownboy said:
The advantage is in the lifestyle as a whole, not necessarily the diet. Even then, they're not centenarians. As to diet, only few plant based combinations possess the amino acid chains necessary for human protein absorption and none by themselves, as meat does by itself. Our bodies need meat for protein. It's not the iron that increases colon cancer risk, but the processing and even then you have to eat meat rather heavily.

In terms of longevity, look to telomerase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase
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First off, it is the heme iron in red meats that increase colon cancer risks: Heme iron from meat and risk of colorectal cancer: a meta-analysis and a review of the mechanisms involved. - PubMed - NCBI

Processing that meat increases it even further.

Secondly, yes most plant based proteins are not complete, but your body does not need a complete protein at one time. It utilizes different sources of protein you eat throughout the day. Hell there a vegan bodybuilders and power lifters that are flippin huge just on plant based proteins.

Finally, the point of a plant based diet with either cold water fish or very little meat is not that you will live to 100, but rather that you will enjoy a far longer health span than your peers. For example, I am a 39 year old avid runner / cyclist that still has a maximum heart rate of over 200 bpm. Typically guys my age can't get over 180 bpm. The reason for that is arterial sclerosis. One the signs of hardening arteries is a decline in maximum heart rate and V02 max. You see these guys in the 50s and 60s still cranking out a fast marathon pace, or still very competitive in masters rankings in triathlons or as cyclists. It is because of training plus diet and that diet is typically largely plant based.

Point being is that the goal of having a largely plant based diet and being active is that you may not live that much longer, but when you are in your 70s you will be a lot stronger, a lot more fit, and a lot healthier than your peers and when you die it will be a rapid decline over the course of a few months rather than a long slow decline that takes years or even decades.

My old doctor that retired last year was still running 20 miles a week in his 80s and ate a plant based diet.
 
All that comes down to what you consider living and enjoyment. If you avoid eating for decades what you enjoy eating and force yourself into activity, that's not worth living a few more years. That's imprisonment.

And a look at your teeth should tell you right away whether you need to eat meat.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
First off, it is the heme iron in red meats that increase colon cancer risks: Heme iron from meat and risk of colorectal cancer: a meta-analysis and a review of the mechanisms involved. - PubMed - NCBI

Processing that meat increases it even further.

Secondly, yes most plant based proteins are not complete, but your body does not need a complete protein at one time. It utilizes different sources of protein you eat throughout the day. Hell there a vegan bodybuilders and power lifters that are flippin huge just on plant based proteins.

Finally, the point of a plant based diet with either cold water fish or very little meat is not that you will live to 100, but rather that you will enjoy a far longer health span than your peers. For example, I am a 39 year old avid runner / cyclist that still has a maximum heart rate of over 200 bpm. Typically guys my age can't get over 180 bpm. The reason for that is arterial sclerosis. One the signs of hardening arteries is a decline in maximum heart rate and V02 max. You see these guys in the 50s and 60s still cranking out a fast marathon pace, or still very competitive in masters rankings in triathlons or as cyclists. It is because of training plus diet and that diet is typically largely plant based.

Point being is that the goal of having a largely plant based diet and being active is that you may not live that much longer, but when you are in your 70s you will be a lot stronger, a lot more fit, and a lot healthier than your peers and when you die it will be a rapid decline over the course of a few months rather than a long slow decline that takes years or even decades.

My old doctor that retired last year was still running 20 miles a week in his 80s and ate a plant based diet.
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The key word is everything in moderation. Red meats are not bad for you. A person's diet is individual. If they eat a lot of red meat and also indulge in a lot of sugar and empty calories, and not enough veggies and fruits they may be on the road to a problem. A person that eats nothing but veggies and fruits can be on the same road. Balance is crucial to maintain a healthy life while we are here. But even with that, each of our DNA makeup, a good diet may not stop bad things from happening. You know we all die, some sooner than others. So my advice is enjoy all in moderation while you are still here. And if you have resorted to a beet burger to do it so be it, but personally I am tired of hearing all the restrictions. There are some who would like us all to be living off of grass shakes and tofu. That ain't living.
 
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