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Who is stronger?

Who is stronger?

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Dragonfly

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In your humble opinion, who is stronger:

A) 25 year old male, weighs 145 pounds - can bench press 165 pounds 10 times

B) 25 year old male, weighs 190 pounds - can bench press 190 pounds 10 times
 
B)

Why?
Because it doesn't matter how much you weigh, you still need more muscle tone in the affected areas (chest, shoulders and arms for benchpress) to do an exercise and the more weight there is, the more muscle it requires. Hence, B is stronger.

Who is more fit? I don't know. You have to look at them.
 
Dragonfly said:
In your humble opinion, who is stronger:

A) 25 year old male, weighs 145 pounds - can bench press 165 pounds 10 times

B) 25 year old male, weighs 190 pounds - can bench press 190 pounds 10 times
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Not enough information. Personally, I don't think being able to bench press the most necessarily relates to overall strength.
 
Have them arm wrestle each other. ;)
 
Obviously B has more raw strength in total measured terms than A.


A may be more fit however, since his rating exceeds his bodyweight substantially, while B's only matches his own.
 
I just love how a simple question, with two possible answers, can elicit so many different responses.

There's plenty enough information to make a statement. You're not in a court of law having sworn an oath before god here. It's just a simple question.
Men are awarded gold medals in Olympics for weight lifting, so obviously it's certainly one way of judging strength.
Why I ask shouldn't matter. Just answer the question or don't.

And then there's just the people who like to post without actually answering the question before the thread even has more than one page of responses.....

one man can bench press his own weight 10 times
one man can bench press his own weight, plus another 20 pounds on top of it, 10 times

who is stronger?
 
Dragonfly said:
In your humble opinion, who is stronger:

A) 25 year old male, weighs 145 pounds - can bench press 165 pounds 10 times

B) 25 year old male, weighs 190 pounds - can bench press 190 pounds 10 times
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I like the 51 y.o. who can leg-press ten reps of 540 pounds while his son is freaking out saying, "Dad! You're going to hurt yourself!"

Yeah, that's me! :)

BTW, that's what twenty years of going up and down ladders on ships does for ya!
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I like the 51 y.o. who can leg-press ten reps of 540 pounds while his son is freaking out saying, "Dad! You're going to hurt yourself!"

Yeah, that's me! :)

BTW, that's what twenty years of going up and down ladders on ships does for ya!
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Why would you quote the op, and then NOT answer it???????/
 
Dragonfly said:
In your humble opinion, who is stronger:

A) 25 year old male, weighs 145 pounds - can bench press 165 pounds 10 times

B) 25 year old male, weighs 190 pounds - can bench press 190 pounds 10 times
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B is stronger because they can bench 25 more pounds.

Did you mean stronger pound for pound? If so I would assume A is stronger without doing the math as eyeballing the figures it looks more impressive while taking a rough estimation of size difference. As you get bigger you are proportionately less fantastic athletically. A 100 pound person benching 100 pounds is pound for pound weaker than a 200 pound person benching 200 pounds. This is a matter of physics, surface area versus volume. As an object grows larger the ratio of surface area to volume becomes greater. This is why an ant can lift 600 times its weight (I forget the exact amount).
 
Dragonfly said:
I just love how a simple question, with two possible answers, can elicit so many different responses.

There's plenty enough information to make a statement. You're not in a court of law having sworn an oath before god here. It's just a simple question.
Men are awarded gold medals in Olympics for weight lifting, so obviously it's certainly one way of judging strength.
Why I ask shouldn't matter. Just answer the question or don't.

And then there's just the people who like to post without actually answering the question before the thread even has more than one page of responses.....

one man can bench press his own weight 10 times
one man can bench press his own weight, plus another 20 pounds on top of it, 10 times

who is stronger?
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Without further information it would be the person that can lift more than their weight. If we go by the first framing of the question B is stronger despite being unable to lift more than his own weight he still lifted more than A.

In school because of the size of my skeleton I was unable to do pull ups effectively. On the other hand I could bench press more than anyone else could save one person. But I could beat anyone arm wrestling. But we also have to take in account that some people have poor form at lifting weights.

Is there a point to this line of questioning?
 
The words "in your humble opinion" are pretty key words here.

Who do YOU think is stronger?

You can explain your reason why you pick one over the other, but pick one. My reasons for asking shouldn't be an issue here.

Simple question. Does not require a complex breakdown or lengthy question and answer session.

Who is stronger?


Sheeesh.....some of you people think it should be easy to solve the problems in the Middle East, and that our government should be able to run our country better, and yet a simple question like this can't get answered without a whole lot of other hoopla and diversion?????
 
"A" is stronger. "B" is a weenie. "C" is a worthless twit. Did I nail that, or what?
 
Dragonfly said:
In your humble opinion, who is stronger:

A) 25 year old male, weighs 145 pounds - can bench press 165 pounds 10 times

B) 25 year old male, weighs 190 pounds - can bench press 190 pounds 10 times
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Is B the kind and quiet black guy everyone's afraid of but who takes A, the smaller but clever and quick white guy, under his wing in prison but gets killed in the end in a fight with the henchmen of the evil boss of the wing who is in cahoots with the corrupt warden and then A turns out to be undercover?
 
Dragonfly said:
The words "in your humble opinion" are pretty key words here.

Who do YOU think is stronger?

You can explain your reason why you pick one over the other, but pick one. My reasons for asking shouldn't be an issue here.

Simple question. Does not require a complex breakdown or lengthy question and answer session.

Who is stronger?


Sheeesh.....some of you people think it should be easy to solve the problems in the Middle East, and that our government should be able to run our country better, and yet a simple question like this can't get answered without a whole lot of other hoopla and diversion?????
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I gave you my ****ing "humble opinion" it was my opinion you dont get to ask for a ****ing opinion then get all but hurt when our ****ing opinions dont meet your ****ing expectations. I guess that I should have just posted the single word SQUIRREL and let you masturbate to it in the dark.

lmao
 
Dragonfly said:
I just love how a simple question, with two possible answers, can elicit so many different responses.

There's plenty enough information to make a statement. You're not in a court of law having sworn an oath before god here. It's just a simple question.
Men are awarded gold medals in Olympics for weight lifting, so obviously it's certainly one way of judging strength.
Why I ask shouldn't matter. Just answer the question or don't.

And then there's just the people who like to post without actually answering the question before the thread even has more than one page of responses.....

one man can bench press his own weight 10 times
one man can bench press his own weight, plus another 20 pounds on top of it, 10 times

who is stronger?
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You left out total weight pressed this time.... which kind of indicates you were looking for a certain answer....


I stand by what I said. The man who can move more weight is the stronger man, in raw terms. The man who can lift more proportional to his body weight maybe more FIT, that is stronger-per-pound... but he isn't stronger in absolute terms.
 
Goshin said:
You left out total weight pressed this time.... which kind of indicates you were looking for a certain answer....


I stand by what I said. The man who can move more weight is the stronger man, in raw terms. The man who can lift more proportional to his body weight maybe more FIT, that is stronger-per-pound... but he isn't stronger in absolute terms.
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D) imagep is stronger (I just figure I'd brag some also)

190 lbs? That's really not all that impressive. I've seen ladies doing high 200's for reps. There is a video on youtube of a 90lb 11 year old girl benching about that much.
 
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Dragonfly said:
In your humble opinion, who is stronger:

A) 25 year old male, weighs 145 pounds - can bench press 165 pounds 10 times

B) 25 year old male, weighs 190 pounds - can bench press 190 pounds 10 times
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As long as a specific 59 year old retains enough strength in his right arm to perform long sets of curls involving an approximately 1 1/2 pound amber-colored weight that gradually diminishes with each curl until the process is repeated, he considers any other conjecture to be a mere distraction to the task at hand.
 
Anyone that voted for B has no idea what Functional Strength is. For example, for all intents and purposes, a guy that weights 160 pounds that can bench 170 pounds, but can also do 20 pullups is much stronger than a 200 pound man that can bench 250 pounds but can hardly do a pullup. If you can't move your own body then you are not strong.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Anyone that voted for B has no idea what Functional Strength is. For example, for all intents and purposes, a guy that weights 160 pounds that can bench 170 pounds, but can also do 20 pullups is much stronger than a 200 pound man that can bench 250 pounds but can hardly do a pullup. If you can't move your own body then you are not strong.
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Not true at all. The bigger you are the harder it is to do pull ups, or any other body weight exercise. There are many huge bodybuilders who cannot do a pull up or can barely do them, yet they are strong as hell. Dips are also extremely difficult for big guys.

Even from the "functional strength" perspective, it doesn't account for size and would always skew towards the smaller person being considered stronger by your definition. On average a 100 pound person is always going to far outperform a 200 pound guy in number of repetitions for body weight exercises.
 
Verax said:
Not true at all. The bigger you are the harder it is to do pull ups, or any other body weight exercise. There are many huge bodybuilders who cannot do a pull up or can barely do them, yet they are strong as hell. Dips are also extremely difficult for big guys.
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Which means that despite their size and muscles, they have little functional strength at all. By your definition, a 200 horsepower engine in a 3000 pound vehicle is weaker than a 300 horsepower engine in a 6000 pound vehicle.

Even from the "functional strength" perspective, it doesn't account for size and would always skew towards the smaller person being considered stronger by your definition. On average a 100 pound person is always going to far outperform a 200 pound guy in number of repetitions for body weight exercises.
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Nope. Few male gymnasts for example are small, most are pretty built, but they are not the size of a body builder.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Which means that despite their size and muscles, they have little functional strength at all. By your definition, a 200 horsepower engine in a 3000 pound vehicle is weaker than a 300 horsepower engine in a 6000 pound vehicle.

Nope. Few male gymnasts for example are small, most are pretty built, but they are not the size of a body builder.
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Do large men in strongman competitions lack "functional strength"? I guarantee a skinny high school kid in gym can do far more pull ups than one of those gorillas. Would you consider the skinny kid stronger?

You can't compare man with machine, they function in an entirely different manner.

Compare a 100 pound gymnast to a 200 pound gymnast, the smaller one will again outperform the larger one in body weight exercises.
 
Verax said:
Do large men in strongman competitions lack "functional strength"? I guarantee a skinny high school kid in gym can do far more pull ups than one of those gorillas. Would you consider the skinny kid stronger?

You can't compare man with machine, they function in an entirely different manner.

Compare a 100 pound gymnast to a 200 pound gymnast, the smaller one will again outperform the larger one in body weight exercises.
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There are no 100 pound male gymnasts. I know a guy that is a powerlifter, the dude is huge, and can do 39 pull-ups. I doubt 1 in a 1000 men could do that many. So there are big guys with high functional strength. However, there are also a lot of guys that brag about how much they can bench, but have a high body fat percentage and can't hardly do a pull-up. So while they might be able to throw some weight up, they can hardly move their body around so its rather pointless in terms of athleticism.

In terms of functional strength (what is the point of strength if it isn't functional), this guy:

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Is a hell of a lot stronger, than this guy probably is:

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By the way, if the skinny high school guy doesn't have a lot of upper body strength, he probably can't do any pull-ups or dips.
 
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