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'Race' riots hit Spain now. (That goes with Britain, France, Greece, Holland... etc.)

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Don't think they ever started a riot in the 40 years they've been here, eventhough they did face serious racism back in those days.
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There is a generation gap though. Older Muslims here tended to be first-generation immigrants wanting to come over for a bit of peace and quiet, better job prospects and to find out what the West is like.

Second-genaration Muslims have it the other way around, where they know Britain and then get deeper into Islam. A majority are fine (as far as I'm aware) whilst the rest lap up their new re-discovered supremacist dogma and go to town with it.




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And when the MCB were asked for advice in helping to draft anti-terror measures with tact, all they received was more bellyaching and demands for extra concessions.
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That, above, should read, for clarity:

And when Labour asked the MCB for advice in helping to draft anti-terror measures with tact, all they received was more bellyaching and demands for extra concessions.

Though to think the Red PC dhimmis, probably all striken by Housepersons' Knee by now in their grovelling, needed further prodding!
 
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Dutch said:
I became aware of this quite some time ago from a former dutch poster on the old whistlestopper forum. Tell me about muslims enforcing sharia on the streets of european cities.
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I couldn't tell you anything you don't allready know. But, we were talking about riots, not about gay bashing.

Exaggerating the problem doesn't serve my side, who overwhelmingly voted for Fortuyns party. I would go as far as to suggest that demonizing these right wing opinionmakers leads to their rise. Without the apologisers, we wouldn't have Fortuyn, and without Fortuyn, Wilders wouldn't hold 20% of the electorate today.

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There is a generation gap though. Older Muslims here tended to be first-generation immigrants wanting to come over for a bit of peace and quiet, better job prospects and to find out what the West is like.
Second-genaration Muslims have it the other way around, where they know Britain and then get deeper into Islam. A majority are fine (as far as I'm aware) whilst the rest lap up their new re-discovered supremacist dogma and go to town with it.
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And they find Tariq Ramadan on their way, the ultimate example of the islamist in disguise.
 
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Are these race riots or riots based upon ideology and culture?

Calling them race riots only invites knee jerk reactions to defend them by people trying to prove too hard that they are not a racist. If the focus is placed upon ideology rather than race or ethnicity, people might be better able to see the true problem.
 
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A couple of significant points on Ramadan is that he's laid down a statement which is hader to refute from him: Muslims can play victim. Then he (apparently) told them not to.

Another is that he's seen as a mainstream Muslim spokeman (or mouthpiece if you like). These points make it all the harder for Mr. 'Muslim brothers', banned from the USA who didn't want Muslims to integrate and rationalised 7/7 (then defended by the MCB for it) to be dismissed as some kind of fringe lunatic.


Obama's Jihadist: Banned in the US Tariq Ramadan Welcomed to US Next Month - Atlas Shrugs

Melanie Phillips’s Diary » The talented Mr Ramadan
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
There is a generation gap though. Older Muslims here tended to be first-generation immigrants wanting to come over for a bit of peace and quiet, better job prospects and to find out what the West is like.
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Of course they didn't have th numbers either.

It's when they have a sufficient percentage of the population that the problems generally begin.
 
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Gardener said:
Are these race riots or riots based upon ideology and culture?

Calling them race riots only invites knee jerk reactions to defend them by people trying to prove too hard that they are not a racist. If the focus is placed upon ideology rather than race or ethnicity, people might be better able to see the true problem.
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They are based on the fact that a criminal kid got hurt running from the law and his peers are pissed over that and other police actions against them... nothing more nothing less.

Only reason that RoP and others can call it a "race" riot or a "religious" riot is that a majority were possibly of a different ethnic and religious background than most Spanish, and even that is debatable.
 
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Why did the criminal's 'peers', to use such a validatory-sounding word, get 'pissed'? The cops did their jobs?

And notice the word 'race' in the title placed inside hyphens, as here. Establishment and ordinary folk alike call them race riots as much for a label as anything. And I agree that it's gonna be culture rather than where a lout was born which determines his behaviour.
 
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PeteEU said:
They are based on the fact that a criminal kid got hurt running from the law and his peers are pissed over that and other police actions against them... nothing more nothing less.

Only reason that RoP and others can call it a "race" riot or a "religious" riot is that a majority were possibly of a different ethnic and religious background than most Spanish, and even that is debatable.
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Did the Moors get that far north? Your point about Moorish influence in Spain is a good one though.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Why did the criminal's 'peers', to use such a validatory-sounding word, get 'pissed'? The cops did their jobs?

And notice the word 'race' in the title placed inside hyphens, as here. Establishment and ordinary folk alike call them race riots as much for a label as anything. And I agree that it's gonna be culture rather than where a lout was born which determines his behaviour.
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Those squiggly marks aren't hy-phens, they are exclamation marks/"inverted commas". Britain has a thriving lout culture, seen to "best" effect in the EDL, BNP, and their rancid ilk.
 
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Did the Moors get that far north? Your point about Moorish influence in Spain is a good one though.
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The Moors got all the way to what is southern France today at one time. But as for "control" no, not to Grinonia if I remember right. Remember there is a difference between "going somewhere" to "controlling".
 
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Those squiggly marks aren't hy-phens, they are exclamation marks/"inverted commas".
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The second trivial error in a whole year of DP-ing? For me that must be epic failure.
 
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Riots by Muslims for however many claimed reasons are in the ascendence. There's a handy compilation of news incidents regarding the sharp increase of Islamic terror crime in France, with the nation's 'tolerance' to the point of dhimmitude coming back to bite them:

One of the most troubling manifestations of this discord is the development of a particular type of violence that is more than the sum of its parts. A sampling of this year's news reports reads like a catalogue of stomping, stabbing, shooting, torching, and sacking; attacks on teachers, policemen, firemen, old ladies, and modest retirees; turf wars, tribal fights, murder over women, over attitude, over nothing; dead youths, murderous youths, bodies scattered across a national battlefield.

Is there a connection between the endless series of seemingly disparate criminal incidents and markers openly displayed in insurrectional riots and demonstrations—kaffiyeh face masks, Hezbollah flags, intifada slogans, Islamic chants? A general French tendency to withhold information and a deliberate decision to avoid ethnic and religious symbols leads to white noise coverage of criminality. Names, photos, and background information about perpetrators, suspects, and victims are usually suppressed, especially those that might create a negative image of Muslims.
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A French Intifada :: Middle East Quarterly


I've noticed Liberal-Leftists on my travels wringing their hands and wondering why and how such things come about. They end up empathising with and isolating a minute number of the worst naughty people, having then blamed ordinary folk for 'Islamophobia', before sitting back and hoping nothing else occurs.

More always occurs. And to pick between race or culture, the causes are definitely cultural and without 'provocation' from those who are always claimed to hate them.
 
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