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Sweden II. More than "200 Islamists prone to violence"

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Once again, the attempted marginalization/PC to '.01% terriorists' etc. "200 prone to violence."
"200 muslims" is hardly the Only problem in Sweden.

Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War | The Brussels Journal
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just "200 prone to violence".
Yes, even while some try to call Muslims "the New Jews of Europe" (!!!), Muslims are still bashing the old (and still) Jews of Europe; Jews.

Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes - Telegraph

Sweden's reputation as a tolerant, liberal nation is being threatened by a steep rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the city of Malmo.

By Nick Meo in Malmo, Sweden
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Yup, it's only the "200" that the problem. "Xenophobia", "Hate"

Muslim refugees and the cost of Sweden's kindness
CBC News - Canada - Muslim refugees and the cost of Sweden's kindness
Natasha Fatah
December 14, 2010
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Pat Condell Weighs in.... in testimony of the above:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=patcondell#p/a/u/2/zZtc2ma2GEQ
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A: Pat Condell is a ****ing idiot.

B: 200 islamists prone to violence? Oh well. There are probably more pure bread aryan white swedes prone to violence then that.

How about there are just people prone to violence? And we deal with them... Muslim or not.
 
Jetboogieman said:
A: Pat Condell is a ****ing idiot.

B: 200 islamists prone to violence? Oh well. There are probably more pure bread aryan white swedes prone to violence then that.

How about there are just people prone to violence? And we deal with them... Muslim or not.
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Yep.. religion dont matter.. aspects of society have violent people in it. Gangs, racist groups and so on. By the OP guide line then there are at least 800k people in the US that are prone to violence.. the gang population at last estimate in the US. Add to that, white pride members, random criminals, and so on.. we are talking over 2.2 million .. probably closer to 3 million people who are "prone to violence" if not more. .. there were 7+ million on probation.. so we are talking about several % of the US population that are "prone to violence".

In other words.. another hatchet job to fan the flames of animosity towards Muslims...
 
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Might I suggest you tell this to all those Muslims who support killing in the name of theirs?
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People kill for many reasons. If someone killed in the name of Baconators, I'm still eating the bastards.

If people wanna kill in the name of Islam, they will be dealt with, harshly. My thing is, and always will be standing against the idea that a poisonous minority within Islam, makes guilty the law abiding, decent muslims that I deal with every day.
 
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Yep.. religion dont matter.. aspects of society have violent people in it. Gangs, racist groups and so on. By the OP guide line then there are at least 800k people in the US that are prone to violence.. the gang population at last estimate in the US. Add to that, white pride members, random criminals, and so on.. we are talking over 2.2 million .. probably closer to 3 million people who are "prone to violence" if not more. .. there were 7+ million on probation.. so we are talking about several % of the US population that are "prone to violence".
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This is course Nonsensical denial.
The articles in the OP showing the Inordinate and Thematic Islamist violence.

By Pete EU's (and JetBoogieman) 'Logic' (choke) ie, the Jews of Malmo, would be being persecuted by Swedish Supremacists if not New Muslims.
But this was never the case and Isn't now.
They are being persecuted BY Muslim immigrants Because they are Jews.
Spare us the mindless tu quoque quoque quoque.

It's really unfortunate what we have is ANOTHER 'Swedish' string falling victim to idiotic sabotage and nonsensical/hostile posts.

"In other words.. another hatchet job" to ruin any string critical of the unquestionable and Inordinate Muslim/Islamist violence.
 
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mbig said:
This is coure Nonsensical denial.
The articles in the OP showing the THEMATIC Islamist violence.

By Pete EU's (and JetBoogieman) 'Logic' (choke) ie, the Jews of Malmo, would be being persecuted by Swedish Supremacists if not New Muslims.
But this was never the case and Isn't now.

It's really unfortunate what we have is ANOTHER 'Swedish' string falling victim to idiotic sabotage and nonsenical posts.

"In other words.. another hatchet job" to ruin any string critical of the unquestionable and Inordinate Muslim/Islamist violence.
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Ok....

Um.

So I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions that I'd like to see answered so I can gauge where you're at.

Do you think muslims as a immigrant population are a threat to western countries?

and if so...

What is your solution if you feel that's the issue?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ok....

Um.

So I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions that I'd like to see answered so I can gauge where you're at.

Do you think muslims as a immigrant population are a threat to western countries?

and if so...

What is your solution if you feel that's the issue?
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Yes I do feel they are a threat, if not to the existence of Western countries, but to the quality of life and character of them.
Evidence enough in the OP alone.
In that regard, I agree with what countries like, but not limited to, Denmark have done in restricting immigration and the terms on it.

MY TURN:

Am I to take it you are now conceding (contrary to your emptily hostile first reply) these Muslim immigrants do commit an inordinate amount of crime (much of it Thematic to their religion) and consume an inordinate amount of welfare spending too.
OR... do you still deny the obvious from Birmingham to Brussels?

Because if you are not conceding the point you first denied.. I'd be glad to fill several pages here documenting it.
ie, the OP was Just partial of a few of my posts on Sweden/Malmo alone from a closed string.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
People kill for many reasons. If someone killed in the name of Baconators, I'm still eating the bastards.

If people wanna kill in the name of Islam, they will be dealt with, harshly. My thing is, and always will be standing against the idea that a poisonous minority within Islam, makes guilty the law abiding, decent muslims that I deal with every day.
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The problems in communication are multifaceted, but at least two big stumbling blocks have to do with the way people here "all" when no such all was being communicated, and how those who do seem to hear the word "all" often don't know the slightest thing as to the true pervasiveness of the beliefs in question. If this were 1930 instead of 2010, it would be nigh on impossible to voice objection to the Nazis without people jumping down your throat for being bigoted against Germans (anybody is free to insert their sophomoric "goodwins law" here), nor would it be possible to point out how many Germans actually supported the Nazis.

I realize the desire to defend is strong in some, and people see it as a virtue, but when such a desire only results in denial, and statements that minimize both the extent and magnitude of the beliefs in question, and poo poo the potential threat such beliefs pose to western civilization, then such defense crosses the line that separates the desire to be fair and crosses into apologia. How tiny IS the number of Muslims who support sharia, how tiny IS the number of Muslims who want sharia to prevail, how tiny IS the number of Muslims who view their ideology as so inviolate that no other way of life should be considered?

That is the real issue here. Why shouldn't people be able to criticize totalitarianism?
 
Why are articles that date back to 2006 and the first months of 2010 being posted here as if this is a current discussion?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Why are articles that date back to 2006 and the first months of 2010 being posted here as if this is a current discussion?
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This is NOT "Breaking News".

2006-2010 is plenty good for the purpose at hand; discussing effects of immigrants on Sweden and their proclivity for violence.
They didn't all come in the last month nor would their be enough info to discuss the topic in just today's or last week's dailies.

On Topic contributions would be appreciated instead of utterly fallacious technical objections.
 
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How about there are just people prone to violence? And we deal with them...
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Tall order living in a 'liberal' country. Half the proper punishments seem to have been abandoned, with copious 'understanding' and 'help' for hooligans and scum.
 
How about there are just people prone to violence? And we deal with them...
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Tall order living in a 'liberal' country. Half the proper punishments seem to have been abandoned, with copious 'understanding' and 'help' for hooligans and scum.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
Tall order living in a 'liberal' country. Half the proper punishments seem to have been abandoned, with copious 'understanding' and 'help' for hooligans and scum.
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The dogma of multiculturalism has all but killed liberalism, so I don't think the word liberal really applies any more. Not when what is being abetted is so entirley illiberal in nature.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Why are articles that date back to 2006 and the first months of 2010 being posted here as if this is a current discussion?
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Because it is another hit and run attack on all Muslims by the usual suspects. All attack with no substance. Pointing out the wrongs of a small minority but avoiding or ignoring others doing much of the same thing, but the difference being that the "others" dont feature in their hatred towards said minority.
 
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Gardener said:
Might I suggest you tell this to all those Muslims who support killing in the name of theirs?
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If you tell it to the radical Christian movements in the US that are spreading hatred and animosity across the planet. Muslims are not the only ones supporting killings and attacks.. sure they are shown more on TV, but Christians do many as well and they rarely make the headlines. Witch burnings in Nigeria to gay murders in Uganda to child abuse by the Catholic Church over to paedophile Christian cults that are allowed to exist around the world unchallenged. Not to mention the verbal attacks by US right wing politicians and personalities against minorities, especially the homosexual. Just today there was a Republican that called all homosexuals for sexual predators.. When will he be kicked out of the party?

Point is, you and your cohorts are selective because it happens to fit into your highly biased political agenda of painting 1.5 billion people as terrorists. While I dont disagree that there is a small portion of those people that do use violence as a political tool against others, they are not the only ones doing so and never have been.

Thanks to you and your cohorts attitudes and words, the Muslim extremists can easily paint a picture that the west is at war with Islam and gain even more support and with each comment from the right, especially in the US, the extremists gets new recruits. But then again, that is what the right wants.. conflict with someone or several.. only way they can justify massive military and security spending. Muslim extremists are a god send for the political right.. they were out in the dark after the cold war after all.. with no real enemy to hate.

And for the record.. I think Muslim extremism is a threat like all extremism. I just dont single out a whole section of the human population as the single problem area.
 
PeteEU said:
If you tell it to the radical Christian movements in the US that are spreading hatred and animosity across the planet. Muslims are not the only ones supporting killings and attacks.. sure they are shown more on TV, but Christians do many as well and they rarely make the headlines. Witch burnings in Nigeria to gay murders in Uganda to child abuse by the Catholic Church over to paedophile Christian cults that are allowed to exist around the world unchallenged. Not to mention the verbal attacks by US right wing politicians and personalities against minorities, especially the homosexual. Just today there was a Republican that called all homosexuals for sexual predators.. When will he be kicked out of the party?
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Once a person attmepts to compare radical Christianity with radical Islam, you know that they are off in the deep end without swim skills.

Thanks to you and your cohorts attitudes and words, the Muslim extremists can easily paint a picture that the west is at war with Islam
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Anybody can easily say anything, that doesn't make it accurate.

And for the record.. I think Muslim extremism is a threat like all extremism. I just dont single out a whole section of the human population as the single problem area.
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You sure as hell do... America is your villian.
 
PeteEU said:
If you tell it to the radical Christian movements in the US that are spreading hatred and animosity across the planet. Muslims are not the only ones supporting killings and attacks.. sure they are shown more on TV, but Christians do many as well and they rarely make the headlines. Witch burnings in Nigeria to gay murders in Uganda to child abuse by the Catholic Church over to paedophile Christian cults that are allowed to exist around the world unchallenged. Not to mention the verbal attacks by US right wing politicians and personalities against minorities, especially the homosexual. Just today there was a Republican that called all homosexuals for sexual predators.. When will he be kicked out of the party?

Point is, you and your cohorts are selective because it happens to fit into your highly biased political agenda of painting 1.5 billion people as terrorists. While I dont disagree that there is a small portion of those people that do use violence as a political tool against others, they are not the only ones doing so and never have been.

Thanks to you and your cohorts attitudes and words, the Muslim extremists can easily paint a picture that the west is at war with Islam and gain even more support and with each comment from the right, especially in the US, the extremists gets new recruits. But then again, that is what the right wants.. conflict with someone or several.. only way they can justify massive military and security spending. Muslim extremists are a god send for the political right.. they were out in the dark after the cold war after all.. with no real enemy to hate.

And for the record.. I think Muslim extremism is a threat like all extremism. I just dont single out a whole section of the human population as the single problem area.
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Don't care one bit. The hammer and tongs are reserved for American leftists. Why you come to an American based and owned site inhabited by Americans is simply inexplicable. You can't reach us with your message because we will never accept the messenger.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Don't care one bit. The hammer and tongs are reserved for American leftists. Why you come to an American based and owned site inhabited by Americans is simply inexplicable. You can't reach us with your message because we will never accept the messenger.
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That is a load of chest beating and nonsense. Good ideas can come from any source and this is a prime example of the separatism and ethnocentric that is at the core of this conflict. No group of people is intrinsically better than any other group. Not us. Not them. No one. Except maybe Bruce Campbell. But that's a digression. Muslims are no more violent than any other marginalized and demonized minority. And certainly no more violent than an oppressive and militaristic majority. As a non-violent minority, let me tell you, you're both equally murderous.

But seriously, 200 people out of 9 million? That's a tiny fraction. You think there's fewer than 200 violent and dangerous people in New York City? That's 9 million people. Sweden has shown itself to be incredibly anti-Islam in the past, trying to stamp out a culture rather than incorporate and make peace with it. All this white supremacy crap is getting rather old. We are a multicultural world, and we will have either peace when we all grow up and get along, without trying to prove whose imaginary friends or skin color is the "right" one, or we will destroy ourselves and our planet in a big war which no one will win. I vote for option one.

Edit: Don't forget, a lot of the folks who push for this "Christianity vs Islam" thing actually want the big war to happen, because they think an invisible man in the sky will reward them for murdering all the peaceful people in the world.
 
Paschendale said:
That is a load of chest beating and nonsense. Good ideas can come from any source and this is a prime example of the separatism and ethnocentric that is at the core of this conflict. No group of people is intrinsically better than any other group. Not us. Not them. No one. Except maybe Bruce Campbell. But that's a digression. Muslims are no more violent than any other marginalized and demonized minority. And certainly no more violent than an oppressive and militaristic majority. As a non-violent minority, let me tell you, you're both equally murderous.

But seriously, 200 people out of 9 million? That's a tiny fraction. You think there's fewer than 200 violent and dangerous people in New York City? That's 9 million people. Sweden has shown itself to be incredibly anti-Islam in the past, trying to stamp out a culture rather than incorporate and make peace with it. All this white supremacy crap is getting rather old. We are a multicultural world, and we will have either peace when we all grow up and get along, without trying to prove whose imaginary friends or skin color is the "right" one, or we will destroy ourselves and our planet in a big war which no one will win. I vote for option one.

Edit: Don't forget, a lot of the folks who push for this "Christianity vs Islam" thing actually want the big war to happen, because they think an invisible man in the sky will reward them for murdering all the peaceful people in the world.
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Muslims aren't the problem. American leftists are the sole problem. You are the enemy, not Muslims. Happy New Year.
 
PeteEU said:
Because it is another hit and run attack on all Muslims by the usual suspects. All attack with no substance. Pointing out the wrongs of a small minority but avoiding or ignoring others doing much of the same thing, but the difference being that the "others" dont feature in their hatred towards said minority.
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On the Contrary Pete.. my OP is ALL substance.. your posts complete empty crap.
Which is why you couldn't answer my last post either.
Instead opting for this 'skip-posting'/backslapping with equally Empty PC allies.
The most vacuous sort of behavior on a message board.

And let me say to others in denial here...
Terrorism and violence committed in a religion's name is OVERWHELMINGLY Muslim.
We just had someone in another string point to 'Abortion clinic bombings' as typical and goofy apologism.
Oh Yes.. how many of those are there? One every 5 to 10 years?
While people die in the Name of Islam Every Day.

see: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...hammad-cartoon-plotters-6.html#post1059188167

and remember this exchange Pete?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...mosexuality-0-fer-500-a-4.html#post1058440714[/b]

Probably not.
 
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How many people died in the name of Christianity today?
This week?
Month?
Year?

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

2010.12.28 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Boko Haram Islamists kill three people at a hospital.
2010.12.28 (Sohbatpur, Pakistan) - Three member of a family are murdered in a suspected sectarian attack.
2010.12.28 (Karachi, Pakistan) - Tehreek-e-Taliban militants shoot a tea vender to death in his stall.
2010.12.28 (Tarmiah, Iraq) - Terrorists abduct and execute five men.
2010.12.28 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Buddhist man and his wife are machine-gunned by Islamic terrorists in front of their home.
2010.12.28 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslims shoot a Buddhist civilian to death as he is riding his motorcycle.
2010.12.28 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A man and his elderly father are murdered by Islamic gunmen.

Weekly Jihad Report
Dec. 11 - Dec. 17

Jihad Attacks: 32
Dead Bodies: 162
Critically Injured: 347


Monthly Jihad Report
November, 2010

Jihad Attacks: 144
Countries: 15
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 609
Critically Injured: 1252
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Apologists please submit your comparables.
(NOTE: this does not include street or domestic crime, or Brutal Shariah punishment, bias crimes against Jews or Christians in Europe, which are also plentiful, but only Mortal crimes in the Name of Islam or sectarian Islam)
Now.. Who's "all attack with no substance", "chest beating"?
 
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also from thereligionofpeace.com

and not in the stats yet....

"So far this Christmas, Religion of Peace devotees have bombed a
church in the Philippines,
The Associated Press: Bombing wounds 11 at Christmas Mass in Philippines

blown up 45 flood refugees waiting in line
for Western food aid,
Food Aid Suspended in Pakistan Region After Bombing - WSJ.com

plotted to bomb a Christmas tree lighting in Oregon
Oregon bomb-plot suspect wanted 'spectacular show' | thestarpress.com | The Star Press

and a recruitment center in Maryland,
In plan to attack recruiting center, echoes of Christmas tree bombing plot - CSMonitor.com

massacred 86 innocents in attacks on Nigerian churches,
Nigeria: Muslim Massacres of Christians » Publications » Family Security Matters

planned to poison American food buffets
U.S. buffets and salad bars 'threatened with poison attacks¿ by Al Qaeda group behind 'ink cartridge' bomb plot | Mail Online

and implant bombs in human bodies,
Al Qaeda 'Frankenbomber' plot to implant explosives in suicide bombers

plotted the slaughter of civilians in Holland,
KBOI News/Talk 670 - Boise, Idaho

London
Nine men charged with planning terrorist attack in the UK - CSMonitor.com

and a newspaper office in Denmark...
Swedes arrested over 'Muhammad cartoon plot' - The Local

and even set off the first suicide blast in Sweden,
which was intended for Christmas shoppers.
Swedish suicide bomber
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"All religions are the same"?
 
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PeteEU said:
If you tell it to the radical Christian movements in the US that are spreading hatred and animosity across the planet. Muslims are not the only ones supporting killings and attacks.. sure they are shown more on TV, but Christians do many as well and they rarely make the headlines. Witch burnings in Nigeria to gay murders in Uganda to child abuse by the Catholic Church over to paedophile Christian cults that are allowed to exist around the world unchallenged. Not to mention the verbal attacks by US right wing politicians and personalities against minorities, especially the homosexual. Just today there was a Republican that called all homosexuals for sexual predators.. When will he be kicked out of the party?

Point is, you and your cohorts are selective because it happens to fit into your highly biased political agenda of painting 1.5 billion people as terrorists. While I dont disagree that there is a small portion of those people that do use violence as a political tool against others, they are not the only ones doing so and never have been.

Thanks to you and your cohorts attitudes and words, the Muslim extremists can easily paint a picture that the west is at war with Islam and gain even more support and with each comment from the right, especially in the US, the extremists gets new recruits. But then again, that is what the right wants.. conflict with someone or several.. only way they can justify massive military and security spending. Muslim extremists are a god send for the political right.. they were out in the dark after the cold war after all.. with no real enemy to hate.

And for the record.. I think Muslim extremism is a threat like all extremism. I just dont single out a whole section of the human population as the single problem area.
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You obviously haven't seen me on any threads involving homosexuality if you think I turn a blind eye just because something comes from a Christian. You seem I am not like you, and so I determine my position based upon consistant values rather than lock-step political orthodoxy. I do not critricize or defend based upon who people are like you do, but by the ideas and actions brought forth.
 
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