Open Door Immigration Tax to roll as Redwood admits Democracy's on the back burner

A foul 'Green Tax' is to be levied on British taxpayers to fund the consequences of our noses being 'rubbed in Diversity'...



As even reservoirs and flood plains get built on to keep our overcrowded island on top of the housing demand, there is still no intention to halt immigration. All these warning bells and STILL our leaders insist our small island with finite resources can cope, that open-door immigration pays for itself and doesn't act as a leg-iron in any way!


And even on a smaller scale, our treasonous masters have failed the People by ABANDONING their promised 'fuel duty stabiliser' now it's needed, whereby fuel duty is lowered whenever crude oil goes up.


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Meanwhile, John Redwood has confessed that the Con-Dems are just as contemptuous of Democracy as their Labour predecessors:



NEWS: Today's Express.


Such a scheme closely mirrors Labour's sham Democracy of its Downing Street website petition system. It all sounds as if we have a real impact on the running of the country but we in fact have sod all.

Is this what Tories and Lib Dems voted for this year?

Considering 'Liberal Conservative' Cameron reneged on his promises over the Lisbon Treaty and the dummy 'Human Rights' legislation, what the hell do you expect?



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But the crimes don't stop there. As if we've got money to burn (and grateful foreign leaders to receive it), we're asked to be proud that we're giving away our last pennies to despots and space race countries...



More: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/84449-express-britains-foreign-aid-bill-scandal.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...environment-bills-law-says-liberal-clegg.html



JUST ANOTHER LABOUR (links inside):


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I totally and completely agree with you. The UK is the biggest ****hole in Europe. My only question is, why in the bloody hell haven't got out of there yet? You obviously detest the place. Not that I blame you, I mean what's to like about it? I would have moved out by now. But then again, I'm not a masochist.

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I don't detest the place, only the politicians. It's only the leaders and the parties causing the destruction. Ordinary people don't want New Labour II doing what they're doing in their 'social' policies:

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Well done Coalition. I'm sure we're all proud of you.

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Could have fooled me. All you ever do day in and day out is post about how much your country sucks, how the Muslims are taking over and how the left wing vermin is ruining everything. I chose the country I live in out of many others because I like everything about it, including the politicians. You'll never see me ****ting all over my country, because the day I start doing that is the day I'm gonna pack up my bags and go elsewhere. I guess I don't really understand why you don't. The UK will never be the conservative heaven you dream of.

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His distress is compounded by the fact that the politicians currently doing the above are right wing vermin, but they are not fascist enough by far for his comfort zone.

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I guess I don't really understand why you don't. The UK will never be the conservative heaven you dream of.

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Because I'm not going to become dispossessed of the country of my birth because a bunch of dirty politicians are in the process of ruining it. And if the alternative to a 'conservative haven' is having the country go through all this then I'd rather keep doing as I am.

...the politicians currently doing the above are right wing vermin, but they are not fascist enough by far for his comfort zone.

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No, the 'Liberal Conservative' Prime Minister and his gang have moved leftward to occupy the same rootless politically correct territory as Labour moved rightwards to under Blair.

If there's any fascism at work it's that.

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You'll never see me ****ting all over my country

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A great example of PC doublespeak. That's looking-glass mirror stuff as speaking out against 'liberalism' and other lunacy is '****ting all over my country'.

Such monomania and self-identification is typical of a liberal-left whose new gambit is trying to lecture everyone else on what is properly 'British'. Typically what they like, by sheer coincidence!


So much for the right to protest and criticise the government, when it decides to do the things the PC brigade consider sacrosanct.

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Republic_Of_Public said:

Because I'm not going to become dispossessed of the country of my birth because a bunch of dirty politicians are in the process of ruining it. And if the alternative to a 'conservative haven' is having the country go through all this then I'd rather keep doing as I am.

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Knock yourself out, then. I'd rather live a happy life away from the country of my birth than stay there and get an ulcer or worse from all the bile I'd be constantly swallowing. :shrug:

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The ulcers seem to be in the guts of my opposition, considering all the outrage, names and bile coming in my direction from them.


Playground fun: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...slamists-prone-violence-7.html#post1059191220

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Republic_Of_Public said:

A great example of PC doublespeak. That's looking-glass mirror stuff as speaking out against 'liberalism' and other lunacy is '****ting all over my country'.

So much for the right to protest and criticise the government, when it decides to do the things the PC brigade consider sacrosanct.

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Don't be ridiculous. I live in Switzerland. A center-right country. The kind of liberalism that is in favor here is classical liberalism which has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of liberalism you experience every day in the UK. If I started nauseating everyone to death with constant threads about how much Swiss politics suck, you're damn right I'd be ****ting all over my country. If my political ideology was not aligned with that of the majority in my country, I would leave. Period. Why would I want to live among people who make me want to vomit every day?? You live in one of the most liberal countries in Europe. You are the minority over there. The UK will not magically become a conservative country. You might as well deal with reality.

I never said you couldn't speak out against your government. How did you even come up with such a thought? I'm glad you still have the freedom to do so. I was merely wondering why someone like you would stay in a country whose primary ideology is so completely at odds with yours.

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Republic_Of_Public said:

The ulcers seem to be in the guts of my opposition, considering all the outrage, names and bile coming in my direction from them.


Playground fun: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...slamists-prone-violence-7.html#post1059191220

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I'd rethink my presentation if I were you. You're alienating the very people you should be winning over. Your fellow Brits. As for the rest of us, you've got us so convinced your country is a pile of ****, we don't even care what happens to you lot anymore. :lol:

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Why would I want to live among people who make me want to vomit every day??

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It's not the people here who would make me want to vomit. In fact, the political correctness I speak out about from our leaders isn't wanted by most ordinary people. I think people living abroad from here can make the mistake of believing that the consensi of the 'Westminster Bubble' is in accord with that of ordinary people.

The UK will not magically become a conservative country.

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Outside the circle of things some people want to do themselves, most people are already conservative. They don't want social turmoil, a society without order and louts causing chaos for example. Some people might want to take recreational drugs now, or fuel an increase in promiscuous sex but even they don't see that sort of thing as leading to social breakdown. Most people just want security and a country to run itself with a bit of discipline and such ideas are inherently conservative.

I was merely wondering why someone like you would stay in a country whose primary ideology is so completely at odds with yours.

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That is a bit of a puzzling statement. A country's primary ideology? That suggests a dictatorship of the mind.

And it doesn't make sense anyway. On that logic the majority of Swiss voters against the minarets would have to leave too. Apparently the Swiss political classes want to find a way around that verdict because they do not agree with the will of the People.

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Republic_Of_Public said:

It's not the people here who would make me want to vomit. In fact, the political correctness I speak out about from our leaders isn't wanted by most ordinary people. I think people living abroad from here can make the mistake of believing that the consensi of the 'Westminster Bubble' is in accord with that of ordinary people.

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You might want to inform some of our posters here of that. They seem utterly convinced that Britain is drowning in ultra-left wing, PC, Muslim apologist ideas. :lol:

Outside the circle of things some people want to do themselves, most people are already conservative.

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Don't make me laugh. :lol: That's really funny right there. Who knew you had it in you?

That is a bit of a puzzling statement. A country's primary ideology? That suggests a dictatorship of the mind.

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What exactly puzzles you about it? Are you equally puzzled by the fact that my country is primarily center-right? Every country has a particular political lean that tends to remain constant despite the changes in government. Take the US, for instance. That is another primarily center-right country. It matters little what political party happens to be in power, the majority of people tend to swing slightly right of center. Yours seems to swing slightly left of center mostly.

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Republic_Of_Public said:

And it doesn't make sense anyway. On that logic the majority of Swiss voters against the minarets would have to leave too.

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If it makes them sick to live in a country that bans minarets, then they should. For their health and all. :shrug: It's no longer an issue, though. We're very good at getting over political defeat here.

Apparently the Swiss political classes want to find a way around that verdict because they do not agree with the will of the People.

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Swiss politicians are way too smart to do any such thing. The general consensus is that democracy has spoken, the Constitution was amended and we've moved on to other things. Like speeding up the process to kick foreign criminals out of the country.

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Arcana XV said:

You're alienating the very people you should be winning over. Your fellow Brits.

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Perhaps the onus should be placed on his Fellow Brits as well.

The words liberal/conservative/right wing and left wing get tossed around quite a bit in these various threads, but few ever seem to ask the question as to the true nature of the beliefs he is rejecting? What on God's green earth could possibly be more conservative than the Islamist ideology he rejects with such strenuousness? How can one conserve liberal values in the face of all those in his country who are surrendering to the most illiberal ideology on the planet?

People cannot be won over until they become intelligent enough to see through this paradox and stop enabling these backwards belief systems as they are. The conversation shouldn't be about having to win over one's countrymates who have allowed self-destructive memes to propagate with such abandon as they have, but rather, a reframing of the debate in such a way that people are reminded of what is actually liberal and what is actually conservative. The dunderheads acting as such apologists for Islamism are operating under the misapprehension that rejecting such backwardness is the sign of a "right wing" ideology.

It's almost as if we have experienced a paradigm shift in the definition of terms, and it has happened so fast, nobody seems to have noticed.

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You're alienating the very people you should be winning over.

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What, the ones who call me sick, nauseous and a weirdo? If anything, they'd be alienating me if I took them seriously!



And what puzzles me is the apparent idea that if you don't agree with the line of the government or political class then you should leave the country. It doesn't matter whether the ruling parties tend to be centre-right, centre-left or whatever. Especially since John Major, we essentially get what we're given by the main parties anyway, especially with the First Past The Post system keeping the big boys big and the little boys little. (Though it does usually allow a large operable parliamentary majority for a govenment that can actually work.)

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What, the ones who call me sick, nauseous and a weirdo? If anything, they'd be alienating me if I took them seriously!

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Then I'm at a loss as to what you expect to accomplish. If you're not trying to win people over to your cause, then what exactly are you doing?

And what puzzles me is the apparent idea that if you don't agree with the line of the government or political class then you should leave the country. It doesn't matter whether the ruling parties tend to be centre-right, centre-left or whatever. Especially since John Major, we essentially get what we're given by the main parties anyway, especially with the First Past The Post system keeping the big boys big and the little boys little. (Though it does usually allow a large operable parliamentary majority for a govenment that can actually work.)

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The problem isn't disagreement with the political class. When I say that a country leans left or right, I'm talking about the people, not the ruling class. The ruling class comes and goes, the pendulum swings left to right and back again depending on voters current mood, but the primary lean of a country remains quite constant. British people tend to be quite liberal both fiscally and socially. Do you deny this?

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Arcana XV said:

You might want to inform some of our posters here of that. They seem utterly convinced that Britain is drowning in ultra-left wing, PC, Muslim apologist ideas. :lol:

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Well, at least some of these people acknowledge that the remote possibility exists there is some sort of supernatural force preventing those who don't fit the criteria from ever posting on the internet.

The best way to dispell such notions would be for some of these other folks to start speaking up a bit. It's an awfully lopsided conversation as is.

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If you're not trying to win people over to your cause, then what exactly are you doing?

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What anybody else here does - voicing opinions, speaking freely, volunteering debate and indeed finding people who share the opinions in whole or in part.

Well, anybody here not resorting to name-calling and other trolling anyway!


What are you doing here?

British people tend to be quite liberal both fiscally and socially. Do you deny this?

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Not necessarily. But people here also tend to be morally conservative, much against the wishes of an exploitative political class. For example, most people wish to see the death penalty restored even now. But our Parliamentary masters deny this and our EU overlords even write it into their conditions of membership that no state should have it.

I propose capital punishment be re-instated to both satisfy public opinion and have a quick exit from the EU, also wished for by half the People, with most wanting to be asked before more sovereignty is given away. (Hence Coalition broken promises over 'renegotiating' our position in the EU and repealing the Human 'Rights' legislation.)


beecareful - news - CHANNEL 4 POLL Reveals 70 Per Cent support for the Death Penalty

Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll?

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Republic_Of_Public said:

Not necessarily. But people here also tend to be morally conservative, much against the wishes of an exploitative political class. For example, most people wish to see the death penalty restored even now. But our Parliamentary masters deny this and our EU overlords even write it into their conditions of membership that no state should have it.

I propose capital punishment be re-instated to both satisfy public opinion and have a quick exit from the EU, also wished for by half the People, with most wanting to be asked before more sovereignty is given away. (Hence Coalition broken promises over 'renegotiating' our position in the EU and repealing the Human 'Rights' legislation.)


beecareful - news - CHANNEL 4 POLL Reveals 70 Per Cent support for the Death Penalty

Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll?

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Now that is actually interesting. Plus, you presented it in a way that is not likely to grate on anyone's nerves and is very likely to generate a good discussion.

I think the death penalty is the stuff of barbarian nations, personally, but I'm all for having a public debate about it. If indeed the UK population is serious about bringing it back and the number of people supporting it is truly as high as your link suggests, there is no reason why it shouldn't be discussed at length. Your politicians and the media at large are doing the country a great disservice by ignoring the issue.

Considering the extremely high percentage of people who apparently support it, what political process would be required in your country to make the wishes of the majority a reality? Is the death penalty forbidden by law in some sort of binding document that requires an amendment? It would also be interesting to find out what kind of cases exactly the British public thinks deserve the death penalty. Your link didn't specify.

As for the European Union, there's another reason I live in Switzerland right there. We're not part of it. :lol: That, and the fact that if we ever join the EU, it'll be the people's decision and not the politicians. We've rejected the proposal once already and we're very likely to reject it again, much to our politicians chagrin. Nothing ever gets decided in this country without the population's consent. If your politicians are constantly screwing you guys over, maybe you should consider voting for people who will keep their promises. Either that, or amend your political system to one that gives the people more power. Just know that Swiss style direct democracy is a very sharp double edged sword. It takes a very mature nation to handle it.

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Now that is actually interesting. Plus, you presented it in a way that is not likely to grate on anyone's nerves and is very likely to generate a good discussion.

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You try your hardest not to be patronising, don't you. But I forgive you dearie!


Anyway, I don't think there is any mechanism obliging ruling politicians to follow the will of the people. If any referenda or plebiscites become available they are only delivered by the grace of the Government or Parliamentary vote/pressure. Labour's devolution referenda or the Ted Heath plebiscite on staying in the EEC are two examples of rare public vote on individual issues. And only then such tend to be given when governments can bet on the result they are after.

Most politicians would vote against a bill to return capital punishment, regardless of the Public will. As with the immigration issue for 20 years, the death penalty has been off the agenda of our rulers and there's nothing we can effectively do about it because none of the main parties wish to restore it.


(And as far as my observations go, most people wishing for the death penalty would like to see it as the sentence for things like mass murder or killing cops and suchlike.)

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Republic_Of_Public said:

You try your hardest not to be patronising, don't you. But I forgive you dearie!

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I was being nice!!!

Anyway, I don't think there is any mechanism obliging ruling politicians to follow the will of the people. If any referenda or plebiscites become available they are only delivered by the grace of the Government or Parliamentary vote/pressure. Labour's devolution referenda or the Ted Heath plebiscite on staying in the EEC are two examples of rare public vote on individual issues. And only then such tend to be given when governments can bet on the result they are after.

Most politicians would vote against a bill to return capital punishment, regardless of the Public will. As with the immigration issue for 20 years, the death penalty has been off the agenda of our rulers and there's nothing we can effectively do about it because none of the main parties wish to restore it.


(And as far as my observations go, most people wishing for the death penalty would like to see it as the sentence for things like mass murder or killing cops and suchlike.)

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I find it very odd for a government to be so dismissive of the will of the people. Is it possible that it's not such a great issue to people after all? Maybe many support reinstating the death penalty or creating tougher immigration laws, but are these issues really at the fore-front of people's concerns?

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Arcana XV said:

Could have fooled me. All you ever do day in and day out is post about how much your country sucks, how the Muslims are taking over and how the left wing vermin is ruining everything. I chose the country I live in out of many others because I like everything about it, including the politicians. You'll never see me ****ting all over my country, because the day I start doing that is the day I'm gonna pack up my bags and go elsewhere. I guess I don't really understand why you don't. The UK will never be the conservative heaven you dream of.

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I am sure he could get citizenship in Poland. His grandmother came from there. Perhaps it would suit his ideologies better.

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alexa said:

I am sure he could get citizenship in Poland. His grandmother came from there. Perhaps it would suit his ideologies better.

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Naw, the Poles have rejected right wing politics the last few years. They could not stomach the twins running the country into the ground and ruining the reputation of Poland.

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alexa said:

I am sure he could get citizenship in Poland. His grandmother came from there. Perhaps it would suit his ideologies better.

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It is the opinion of this man that it is heading that way...

Ghetto survivor warns of Polish 'fascism' - Telegraph