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One more human cost of unchecked Islam in Britain

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A man was threatened with JAIL for a foul-mouthed rant at Muslims:

Friend of 7/7 victim in air rage outburst about Muslims | Mail Online


Such behaviour caused great distress on the plane and couldn't not be dealt with. However, it sticks in the craw for a growing number of salted Islamonuts to establish hotbeds of hate and have excuses made for them, especially when somebody deeply affected by the July bombings is the one to get the heavy-handed treatment.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
A man was threatened with JAIL for a foul-mouthed rant at Muslims:

Friend of 7/7 victim in air rage outburst about Muslims | Mail Online


Such behaviour caused great distress on the plane and couldn't not be dealt with. However, it sticks in the craw for a growing number of salted Islamonuts to establish hotbeds of hate and have excuses made for them, especially when somebody deeply affected by the July bombings is the one to get the heavy-handed treatment.
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Are you trying to excuse a drunken lout scaring innocent passengers on an airplane simply because he chose to insult muslims?

I'm never surprised at the depths you continue to plumb.
 
You know if I was doped up on tranquilizers and alcohol, then started running around in an airplane screaming about how teddy bears are going to kill us all, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't think the government is secretly trying to turn Britain into a teddy bear controlled society after they punish me. In other words, I think the screaming, drugs and alcohol have more to do with what happened to him than anything else.
 
That's why I always pick on christians when I'm doped up...
 
Djoop said:
That's why I always pick on christians when I'm doped up...
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:rofl

I wail on the president - everything that goes wrong is his fault. . . .no matter who it is.
In a Gallagher way I can string every series of events in world history together and ravel it to me contempt.

It's a skill that I've perfected over the years - Beck would be so proud!

On the OP, however - in the US a drunken rant is really no big deal - freedom of speech . . . whatever. But in other countries hate-speech is a huge no-no.

Perhaps they shouldn't let people drink whilst they fly if they don't want to deal with the inevitable consequences of someone who can't handle their liquor.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
:rofl

I wail on the president - everything that goes wrong is his fault. . . .no matter who it is.
In a Gallagher way I can string every series of events in world history together and ravel it to me contempt.

It's a skill that I've perfected over the years - Beck would be so proud!
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*warning* american on the loose

We stopped blaming your president when he was replaced by the "yes we can" persona.

On the OP, however - in the US a drunken rant is really no big deal - freedom of speech . . . whatever. But in other countries hate-speech is a huge no-no.

Perhaps they shouldn't let people drink whilst they fly if they don't want to deal with the inevitable consequences of someone who can't handle their liquor.
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They don't, you have to work the crew to get enough liquor. Point is, muslims were insulted.
 
Djoop said:
*warning* american on the loose

We stopped blaming your president when he was replaced by the "yes we can" persona.


They don't, you have to work the crew to get enough liquor. Point is, muslims were insulted.
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And that's Obama's fault!
He was suppose to fix all that when he was elected. We were suppose to all get along because we elected him.
And he didn't.

Lying ****er!

^ see, it's like magic - and I'm not even drunk right now ^
 
Aunt Spiker said:
And that's Obama's fault!
He was suppose to fix all that when he was elected. We were suppose to all get along because we elected him.
And he didn't.

Lying ****er!

^ see, it's like magic - and I'm not even drunk right now ^
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Apparantly you're very gifted with words, even when you're not drunk.

Unfortunately, we're not going to solve anything by stating our islabamanophobia, we have to come up with solutions.
 
Djoop said:
-- Point is, muslims were insulted.
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A property developer who tried to force open an aircraft door and spat at passengers during a drunken rampage on a long haul flight has dodged jail.

James Green, 31, head butted, punched and kicked stewards while repeatedly swearing after tearing off his shirt when he was refused alcohol by staff.


Source
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No, the point is a drunk started causing trouble on an airplane and scared the passengers. Point is, he tried to open the doors of the plane whilst in the air, point is he head butted and punched the cabin crew.

Point addendum is that people like you and RoP try to excuse criminal behaviour simply because the drunk chose to insult muslims.

Djoop said:
-- Unfortunately, we're not going to solve anything by stating our islabamanophobia, we have to come up with solutions.
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Thank you for your honesty at last. If I call you and your fellows "Islamophobes" I get chucked off the thread. At least we can point at this post in future.
 
Djoop said:
Unfortunately, we're not going to solve anything by stating our islabamanophobia, we have to come up with solutions.
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Haha, well. I think this is my new favourite quote. I can cite this in future cases because I can't otherwise call out all the Islamophobes on this forum who attempt to claim otherwise.

Oh and OT: The individual asked for it. He assaulted and scared the passengers. Someone dying does not excuse that behaviour or make the law bend to your will.
 
One more human cost of unchecked censorship in Britain

Fixed it for you.
 
Djoop said:
Apparantly you're very gifted with words, even when you're not drunk.

Unfortunately, we're not going to solve anything by stating our islabamanophobia, we have to come up with solutions.
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All that was me just joking around - but seriously on the issue: I feel that the entire inability to counteract the problem lays with the fact that people are looking AT religion or AT race (or culture or whatever) and trying to assign blame in those ways.

But the fact remains that it's not an accurate way of understanding the entire issue - and until people are willing to actually try to see things in the way that our foe sees them, we'll never be able to understand it - and we'll never be able to protect ourselves.

We cannot look to ONE person to find the answer - that's a religious dogma and that's never worked for anyone.
Nor can we try to prevent ONE type of religion or ONE culture from flourishing - because that's not the problem either.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
All that was me just joking around - but seriously on the issue: I feel that the entire inability to counteract the problem lays with the fact that people are looking AT religion or AT race (or culture or whatever) and trying to assign blame in those ways.
But the fact remains that it's not an accurate way of understanding the entire issue - and until people are willing to actually try to see things in the way that our foe sees them, we'll never be able to understand it - and we'll never be able to protect ourselves.
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I should be able to treat a religion with the ridicule and contempt it deserves. Not about to make an exception for islam. I never suggested that violence & bigotry could somehow solve anything, I don't support violence against muslims, nor do I support racist laws against muslims.

We cannot look to ONE person to find the answer - that's a religious dogma and that's never worked for anyone.
Nor can we try to prevent ONE type of religion or ONE culture from flourishing - because that's not the problem either.
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Islam claims to be the answer for everything indeed. Here, I did it again, make a claim about a religion that can't possible be true for all of its followers. We can't escape the use of generalisations, we just have to keep the individual (in this case the individual muslim) in perspective. The problem with your line of thinking is that it tends to relativise every isseu to death, you may think it adds perspective but you're killing the discussion by playing the islamophobe card.

I may have unreasonable criticism on Obama as well, that doesn't automatically make me racist against blacks, the suggestion that it does reduces Obama to his skin colour, which imho is a rather trivial feature of his persona.
 
Djoop said:
I should be able to treat a religion with the ridicule and contempt it deserves. Not about to make an exception for islam. I never suggested that violence & bigotry could somehow solve anything, I don't support violence against muslims, nor do I support racist laws against muslims.
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Oh sure - I get your feelings on that. I jointedly bash the Catholic church - and there are many things about Islam that I don't approve of. . . many many things. But I know that it's not the sole source of all our ails.

Islam claims to be the answer for everything indeed. Here, I did it again, make a claim about a religion that can't possible be true for all of its followers. We can't escape the use of generalisations, we just have to keep the individual (in this case the individual muslim) in perspective. The problem with your line of thinking is that it tends to relativise every isseu to death, you may think it adds perspective but you're killing the discussion by playing the islamophobe card.

I may have unreasonable criticism on Obama as well, that doesn't automatically make me racist against blacks, the suggestion that it does reduces Obama to his skin colour, which imho is a rather trivial feature of his persona.
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I was trying to say that we can't expect one person to fix it all. During last election I felt as if many people thought Obama would "fix everything" - that he'd fix Islamic relations, he'd fix the economy, he'd fix the world with a big bandaid.
Needless to say, he's only human.

And the ideology that the terrorists encompass isn't true ONLY to them of their Islamic ilk and isn't only because of their religious-view. Many other people who associate theirselves with other religions, cultures, nations share that same ideology.
So "getting rid of Islam" (as some people - like my neighbors - would love to hear happening) wouldn't actually change anything, either - the ideologies that are the problem would still exist and merely find another niche to support it.
 
Kindly elaborate then on the purpose of your OP and the point of this thread?

You see, I'm going to need convincing that you saw this as an over-reaction against some poor drunk before you read further into the story and saw that he actually wasn't the poor innocent victim you thought he originally was...

No cries of "waycism" here, no "wevisionism" by you - just plain honest truth please.
 
Yep, that will also result in widespread panic.
 
Kindly elaborate then on the purpose of your OP and the point of this thread?
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The point's in the thread. That was pretty much it.


Though for wacists, they didn't seem to get the blame for plane-based trouble this time! (Swarms of lefties tell us that they're to blame for fundamentalism!) And I don't know what you mean by wevisionism, that's a word you keep pretending that I use.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
The point's in the thread. That was pretty much it.
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So, he got heavy handed treatment for threatening fellow air passengers, trying to open the aircraft doors mid-air and headbutting aircrew...

Got it... we should excuse criminal acts as long as you insult muslims in the process.

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- Though for wacists, they didn't seem to get the blame for plane-based trouble this time! (Swarms of lefties tell us that it's to blame for fundamentalism!)
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There weren't any "waycists" or otherwise - just a drunken lout.

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- And I don't know what you mean by wevisionism, that's a word you keep pretending that I use.
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No, I used it for people like you when in an earlier thread you wished to "we-wite" (pun intended) history and take all muslim historical achievement in maths and algebra away. That was "wevisionism" - like "wevising" what happened on the plane, especially if you were one of the terrified passengers. I just like to remind you of your various misdemeanours.
 
William Rea said:
I am constantly campaigning for the right to shout "Fire" in a crowded cinema regardless of the consequences.
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He was a publicly intoxicated, but I doubt that this just that. I'm not sure if the UK's hate speech laws were used.
 
I did say, if you read, that the disturbance could not have gone undealt with.


...trying to open the aircraft doors mid-air and headbutting aircrew...
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The article never said that. Another one could have but that wasn't the one I posted. Possible wevisionism there.



...just a drunken lout.
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What, no excuses? No 'social alienation' or 'racist attitudes in society' contributing to the bad behaviour like you get with the Muslims? There usually is with the Left, hence years of an increasingly softened penal system.



...take all muslim historical achievement in maths and algebra away.
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Show me where algebra and maths are introduced in the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah. All there is is Muhammad's enjoinder to Muslims to embrace learning (and even then I can't be bothered to find out which passage it is). So to say lovely lovely Islam gave us most of the things more ancient peoples usually invented anyway is a fraud.



I just like to remind you of your various misdemeanours.
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Thought crimes! Or independent thought, depending on where you sit.


Now here's some more plane trouble, with no punishments for this one: Passenger's chants delay aircraft take-off
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
-- What, no excuses? No 'social alienation' or 'racist attitudes in society' contributing to the bad behaviour like you get with the Muslims? There usually is with the Left, hence years of an increasingly softened penal system.
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He isn't muslim so stop deflecting.

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- Show me where algebra and maths are introduced in the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah. All there is is Muhammad's enjoinder to Muslims to embrace learning (and even then I can't be bothered to find out which passage it is). So to say lovely lovely Islam gave us most of the things more ancient peoples usually invented anyway is a fraud.
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Nice try. Whoever tried saying algebra or maths is mentioned in the Koran?

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- Thought crimes! Or independent thought, depending on where you sit.
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You're a "wevisionist." Never accused you of thought crimes.

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- Now here's some more plane trouble, with no punishments for this one: Passenger's chants delay aircraft take-off
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You have a history of "mis-weading" your own links - did you ignore or miss this bit - "British police arrested the man."
 
He isn't muslim so stop deflecting.
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Yeah, pity he's not a Muslim. Then he could have his behaviour blamed on everyone else but himself!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/87827-terror-uks-new-christmas-export.html#post1059160000



Whoever tried saying algebra or maths is mentioned in the Koran?
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The implication's there whenever some witless wonder swoons over the latest 'Islam Invented That, And I Don't Care What So-Called Reality Says' exhibition.



You're a "wevisionist."
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You like that accusation. You'd have done well in the Soviet Union, where people could go to the gulag for that!



You have a history of "mis-weading" your own links
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Arrest isn't the same as punishment. But we'll see shall we.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
Yeah, pity he's not a Muslim. Then he could have his behaviour blamed on everyone else but himself!
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Isn't that what the person in the OP has achieved? Blame his behaviour on muslims and get away with it?

Republic_Of_Public said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/87827-terror-uks-new-christmas-export.html#post1059160000
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How is Alexa's post trying to blame others for the recent Swedish bomber? I read the beginnings of a "profile." She even uses the word herself, security forces "profile" too. Are they blaming or targeting?

:roll:

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- The implication's there whenever some witless wonder swoons over the latest 'Islam Invented That, And I Don't Care What So-Called Reality Says' exhibition.
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That's only your strawman of an interpretation. I highly doubt anyone reads of an acheivement by a christian scholar and then asks where mention of that scholar is in the bible...

:roll:

Republic_Of_Public said:
-- You like that accusation.
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I like it as it was accurate.
 
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