200 violence-prone Islamic extremists in Sweden

Some 200 possibly violent Islamic extremists live in Sweden, according to an intelligence report released Wednesday after the country's first-ever suicide bombing narrowly missed Christmas shoppers.

"The group of active members ... consists of just under 200 individuals," the Säpo intelligence agency said in its 126-page report, based on data from 2009 and scheduled to be published before the weekend's attack in central Stockholm.

Saturday's bomber, named as Taymour Abdelwahab, a Swedish national who became an outspoken supporter of violent jihad while living in Britain, did not figure among the 200 people on Säpo's radar, and it remained unclear if any possible accomplices were on the list.

"We are currently putting enormous resources into assessing his contacts, his whereabouts, his profile, and to see how his radicalisation process began and how it developed," Malena Rembe, the chief analyst at Säpo's counter-terrorism unit, told AFP.

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The report showed that the number of violence-promoting Islamists in Sweden has remained stable in recent years.

While the so-called radicalisation process generally happens among men aged 15 to 30, the average age in the group is 36, the report showed.

Rembe explained that while members of other violent, radical groups, like rightwing extremists, tended to drop out when they started families, the radical Islamists "don't leave when they get older," making prevention work at an early age vital.

The report showed "most of them were born or grew up in Sweden, and it is here that they come into contact with violence-promoting ideologies and groups."

Some "80 percent of the 200 can be linked to each other," Rembe told a press conference, adding however that the connection tended to be loose, through friendship and acquaintances, and not as part of one big network.

Around 30 out of the 200 have in recent years traveled abroad to take part in violent combat or terrorist training camps, she said.

"Most of these networks focus on action and propaganda against foreign troops in Muslim countries and against governments they see as corrupt and not representing what networks consider to be the only true interpretation of Islam," Saepo said.

It explained in the report that the extremists focus on areas such as Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But while most of Sweden's radical Islamists did not yet consider the Scandinavian country a legitimate target, Rembe pointed out that a recent rise of the far-right and increased anti-Muslim rhetoric could alter that.

"What we've seen in other countries where you have a more polarised debate, where you have more open xenophobia or Islamophobia, is that it tends to push people into movements because they feel isolated in their own society and they feel included in these extremist environments ...

"So it is a potential negative outcome," she told AFP.

She added however that Sweden today has "a fairly open dialogue and communication ... It is extremely important to ensure a nuanced discussion."

Abdelwahab, known for his outspoken views in favour of violent jihad, blew himself up on Saturday evening minutes after his car exploded, injuring two people, near a crowded pedestrian street in Stockholm.

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Last year I wrote an article about how Swedish society is disintegrating and is in danger of collapsing, at least in certain areas and regions.

The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The “Swedish model” would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration. Some thought I was exaggerating, and that talk of the possibility of a future civil war in Sweden was pure paranoia. Was it?

In a new sociological survey (pdf in Swedish, with brief English introduction) entitled “Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”), young immigrants in the troubled city of Malmö have been interviewed about why they are involved in crime. Although it is not stated, most of the immigrant perpetrators are Muslims. In one of the rare instances where the Swedish media actually revealed the truth, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported several years ago that 9 out of 10 of the most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden came from Muslim countries. This must be borne in mind whilst reading the following newspaper article:

Immigrants are “waging war” against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a “war against the Swedes."......
It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a “war,” and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such. This is completely in line with what I have posited before. The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85% of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This is happening in most Western European countries, as well as in other non muslim countries such as India. European jails are filling up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. One can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That is because they cannot, or do not want to, see the obvious: this is exactly how an invading army would behave: rape, pillage and bombing. If many of the Muslim immigrants see themselves as conquerors in a war, it all makes perfect sense.

Malmö in Sweden, set to become the first Scandinavian city with a Muslim majority within a decade or two, has 9 times as many reported robberies per capita as Copenhagen, Denmark. Yet the number one priority for the political class in Sweden during this year’s national election campaign seems to be demonizing neighboring Denmark for “xenophobia” and a “brutal” debate about Muslim immigration. .....
Meanwhile, as their authorities have largely abandoned their third largest city to creeping anarchy, there is open talk among the native Swedes still remaining in Malmö of forming vigilante groups armed with baseball bats out of concern for their children’s safety. As I argued in another essay: If Arnold Schwarzenegger fails to get re-elected as Governor of California he may like to do a sequel to “Conan the Barbarian.” He could shoot it in Malmö. He will get the extras for free. ....

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When she first arrived in Sweden after her rescue from a Nazi concentration camp, Judith Popinski was treated with great kindness.

She raised a family in the city of Malmo, and for the next six decades lived happily in her adopted homeland - until last year.

In 2009, a chapel serving the city's 700-strong Jewish community was set ablaze. Jewish cemeteries were repeatedly desecrated, worshippers were abused on their way home from prayer, and "Hitler" was mockingly chanted in the streets by masked men.

"I never thought I would see this hatred again in my lifetime, not in Sweden anyway," Mrs Popinski told The Sunday Telegraph.

"This new hatred comes from Muslim immigrants. The Jewish people are afraid now."
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Malmo
During our trip, we went to the southern end of the country and visited Malmo, Sweden's third largest city. A beautiful little town that could be the setting for a fairytale.

In the main square, stereotypical six-foot tall Scandinavian blonds were standing around a giant skating rink, watching children perform in the frigid temperatures. It felt like something out of a Swedish Norman Rockwell painting.

But just beyond the main centre is a different stereotype: Streets full of young Muslim men with long beards and women in black hijabs, dragging their Middle Eastern robes through the slushy thoroughfares.

They would be just a few of the many Muslim immigrants who have come to Malmo in recent years, a direct result of Sweden's generosity, opening up its borders to thousands of Arabs and Muslims from strife-torn countries.

This isn't the first time Sweden has welcomed those seeking refuge from hostile environments.

Malmo's Jewish community is almost entirely made up of those who fled central Europe during the Second World War, as well as Holocaust survivors and their descendants.

It was that same Swedish generosity that also welcomed the more recent influx of those fleeing persecution and war in the Middle East, specifically from Iraq.

In fact, by most estimates, close to a quarter of the city's almost 300,000 population is Muslim — one of the highest rates in Europe.

Schools here have tried to accommodate their curriculums and their lunch menus to these newcomers and, if the trend continues, Malmo will have a Muslim majority in a few decades.

No fairytale

But this kindness has come at a cost to the Swedes.

Malmo was supposed to be a symbol of Sweden's multiculturalism. But it is in danger of turning into an Islamist ghetto, with a hard core of those who favour an Islamic state.

Perhaps one of the most troubling outcomes has been the often antagonistic and, at times, violent relationship with the town's Jewish population...

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mbig said:

Once again, the attempted marginalization/PC to '.01% terriorists' etc. "200 prone to violence."
"200 muslims" is hardly the Only problem in Sweden.

Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War | The Brussels Journal
From the desk of Fjordman on Tue, 2006-03-28 21:49

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The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85% of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals.

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Infinite Chaos said:

The boldened bit tells me a lot about your source.

If you wish to inform yourself - there's already been a thread where a New Zealander came and told us how Europe is dying blah blah and posted stories about rapes in Sweden - which the Swedish statistics agency accounted due to the the change in the incidences that could be counted as rape; it also explained that many rapes where also due to changing behaviour by Swedes.

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Infinite Chaos said:

I'm sure muslims commit rapes in Sweden, there was a gang of muslim paedophiles in Liecester who'd been raping young kids. It was headline newsplash over the Daily Mail. Strangely, a week or so later, a similar group of white paedophiles doing almost the exact thing in Devon was relegated to page 4 and no mention of their race / religion etc was made.

See how easy it is for you to fall for such stuff?

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The French call it tournantes or "take your turn" - the French term for the pack-rape of white girls by young Muslim men

For 20 years the French ignored the ethnic causes of these barbaric crimes for fear of offending multicultural man. Along the way, more innocent young girls were pack-raped. Xenophobia divided communities. And finally, voters punished a Centre-Left government for assuming that the electorate was not grown up enough to discuss race without being racist.

Last year Sylvie Lotteau, a magistrate from Bobigny, a northern Paris suburb, described []i]tournantes[/i]: "Their technique was to pick up a young girl - a white girl - and once she had become the girlfriend of one of the members, he would allow his mates to make use of her."

Now it's in Australia. [............]

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mbig said:

-- I note you only picked on one source--

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Gardener said:

From the article:

"What we've seen in other countries where you have a more polarised debate, where you have more open xenophobia or Islamophobia, is that it tends to push people into movements because they feel isolated in their own society and they feel included in these extremist environments ..."

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Gardener said:

-- Some people are simply incapable of basic reason, I guess, because the Western European country that is most accommodating to the Islamist points of view, and where completely deferential politically correct multiculturalism is most ingrained among the well-conditioned populace is actually the one that is now exporting its terrorism to other countries with increasing frequency and has the MOST radical Muslim population living in its midst.

All it takes, I guess, is for some pundit to say something and have dittoheads all nodding their heads in unison without asking even the most basic question in regards to whether or not it is true when put to the test. If this statement were true, then Britain would be the LEAST radicalized country in Europe, not the most.

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Infinite Chaos said:

There's a certain irony that you quote that particular passage and there's a real shame that the intent of the words are lost on you.



We also have the second largest number of western troops in Afghanistan and had an equally large presence in Iraq, this is what made us a target, this is what made us hated and this is what has radicalised some young radicals here.

But you go on pretending that had nothing to do with why some muslims here get angry. Keep ignoring the security force briefings.

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Infinite Chaos said:

A good article and an interesting read. Seeing polarised debate here, reading highly charged newspaper articles in our press and seeing how people across the internet are giving in to xeophobic and Islamophobic comment and argument - the comment by intelligence services gives a cold hard counterpoint to highly emotive argument and tactics.

Yes there are bad things done by some muslims, there are awful things done in the name of a god - but not for the first time and not by muslims only. I'm not here to try and convince the haters - they will always hate - whether it be jew, women, blacks, muslims etc there are problems here in the UK and in other countries, our military presence in Afghanistan and other muslim countries is a factor in the anger that many young muslims feel - that doesn't justify what they're doing, it doesn't apologise for the anger - the important thing is not to point fingers and call muslims or Islam names but to deal with the problems in the small enclaves that it exists.

I personally believe our security services do a heck of a job, we don't hear about all the successes and we don't see all the hard work that is done but equally, where there are faults - like radical imams in mosques preaching hate, like radicalising speakers invited in to speak to impressionable young men either at school / weekend school or university and college - these areas should be stopped and people dealt with properly and publicly.

It is also important to show that hate isn't the only thing the dominant culture has to offer to muslims, that opportunity and personal liberties and freedoms are available to all regardless of sex and religion. I am proud of my British heritage and culture, I am proud of my European background and the Europe that tries to give freedoms and equality to all. I do not wish to live in a Europe or a Britain that judges people based on religion appearance or sex. I want those muslims who have chosen to live here to integrate and become part of my culture and to enjoy the freedoms that the rest of us share.

This will include westernising people by default - immigrants who come here legally must try and integrate, they must live and work within the laws of our country (and continent) but they must also be allowed to integrate and live with us.

Religious traditions that fit in with our laws and ways of life have been part of our society - Beth Din being a perfect example. Sharia too can be - but only if it fits in with our laws. I don't argue against Sharia and ignore Beth Din - I want them treated the same. If jews are allowed Beth Din and it works within our laws - then Sharia which fits within the same confines should be too. If we ban Beth Din - then we should also banish Sharia: equality is the important element.

I won't give in and hate, I'm proud of the Brick Lane protestors who fought the blackshirts that were targeting the jews in 30's London. I'm proud of the many unknown who protested against SUS laws and against the National Front in the 70's and now - whoever and wherever there are people defending the majority of muslims being blamed for the actions of the few radicals. Having lived here in the 70's - I saw the despair and anger among the West Indian and black community against the continuos hate dripfed by newspapers and other groups (would have been on the internet if we had it then). This community had to survive the same kind of mindless and continuos hatred that I see now being aimed at muslims.

We also have to make sure people like Binyam Mohammed, Abu Hamza etc are challenged at every opportunity and the peaceful elements of the muslim community has done this: they could do more - but we should recognise what they have done. The mistakes that are put down to politically correct actions by government and councils have to be challenged - but in the right way and with the same determination as we challenge those who simply want us to hate.

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Infinite Chaos said:

I read the source you largely quoted from, as soon as I saw the bit about rapes increasing in Sweden I knew I would be wasting my time going further.

If you can't find a source that actually is capable of reflecting figures from many perspectives - you should stop wasting my time hoping to disprove me. As for your Canadian journalist's figures differing from the Swedish security services figures.... maybe we should hand the security of you or the other hater's (the ones thanking you) countries around this forum to journalists and send the professionals home. :roll:

Though in RoP's case - no, I'd rather have our security services keep watch on my country.

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William Rea said:

I recall going through this same nonsense regarding Norway on another forum about five years ago and completely destroyed the argument that the rise in immigration was linked to a rise in rapes. Cause and effect has to be linked; you can't just show two things rising on a chart and infer that there is a causal relationship.

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For years, Danes lauded multiculturalism and insisted they had no problem with the Muslim customs - until one day they found that they did. Some major issues:

* Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5% of the population but consume upwards of 40% of the welfare spending.

* Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4% of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a Majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.
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Other Europeans (such as the late Pim Fortuyn in Holland) have also grown alarmed about these issues, but Danes were the first to make them the basis for a change in government.

In a momentous election last November, a center-right coalition came to power that - for the first time since 1929 - excluded the socialists.
The right broke its 72-year losing streak and won a solid parliamentary majority by promising to handle immigration issues, the electorate's first concern, differently from the socialists.

The next nine months did witness some fine-tuning of procedures: Immigrants now must live 7 years in Denmark (rather than 3) to become permanent residents. Most non-refugees no longer can collect welfare checks immediately on entering the country. No one can bring into the country an intended spouse under the age of 24.
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Infinite Chaos said:

There's a certain irony that you quote that particular passage and there's a real shame that the intent of the words are lost on you.



We also have the second largest number of western troops in Afghanistan and had an equally large presence in Iraq, this is what made us a target, this is what made us hated and this is what has radicalised some young radicals here.

But you go on pretending that had nothing to do with why some muslims here get angry. Keep ignoring the security force briefings.

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Grant said:

There might have been some truth to that if Islamic terrorists hadn't committed their atrocities prior to Iraq and Afghanistan, and have struck nations who do not have troops stationed in either Iraq or Afghanistan. The excuse you make for British terrorists, and terrorism in general, is completely false.

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mbig said:

Me too. Been through the discussion many times on on many boards.
There's really no debate at all, except Scandinavian govts like to hide their problems with [mainly] muslim immigrants and their past immigration mistakes so stats are hard to come by, but do exist.

Incontrovertible evidence has been presented by me in this very string unrefuted (and in fact this section for a year++) and others on, ie, whose committing the antisemitic attacks in Malmo/UK and Europe-wide... for just one.
Or what's happening in now 25%+ Muslim Malmo, where firefighters are afraid to respond to alarms without police protection.. and so much more.

This has resulted in not only a change of policies in some of these most socialist democracies, but a change of governments and laws in a few.

Denmark being another:

Something Rotten in Denmark?
by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard
New York Post
August 27, 2002
Something Rotten in Denmark? :: Daniel Pipes

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alexa said:

Being so touchy on hate sites yourself, you surely do not think Daniel Pipes would be a suitable source. The David Duke of Islamaphobia comes to mind.

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mbig said:

That's, as always, an empty criticism

That article written with Danish Leftist/Marxist Lars Hedegaard and published in the NY Post.
Hardly a hate site. And Pipes hardly David Duke.

Then again, you didn't like the FACTS, and couldn't deal with them when presented even from the Guardian.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...zero-tolerance-homosexuality-0-fer-500-a.html

and as in that string (and scoeres of others) we note NO refutation or ability to deal with facts/truth presented. Just anger you can't.

And of course there were my many other sources on Page 1: Telegraph.co.uk and CBC (Canadian Broadcasting/Natasha Fatah), etc.
No doubt more 'Duke' to you.
Or rather just grasping at any straw[man] you could find.. the Hatred of Islamists/Islamist apologists for scholar Pipes.

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alexa said:

No my point was exactly what I said it was. Having given his site a perusal the similarities with David Duke came to mind. I did a google search on this and discovered I was not the first person to think this. If you use hate sites your views will be slanted.

I do not have time to look at the other stuff. Friends are due in half and hour and my bath is running.

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alexa said:

No my point was exactly what I said it was. Having given his site a perusal the similarities with David Duke came to mind. I did a google search on this and discovered I was not the first person to think this. If you use hate sites your views will be slanted.

I do not have time to look at the other stuff. Friends are due in half and hour and my bath is running.

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Grant said:

There might have been some truth to that if Islamic terrorists hadn't committed their atrocities prior to Iraq and Afghanistan, and have struck nations who do not have troops stationed in either Iraq or Afghanistan. The excuse you make for British terrorists, and terrorism in general, is completely false.

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Gardener said:

The niggling little requirement that the cause should precede the effect can be a difficult concept for some to master.

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mbig said:

And Just because Duke came to your mind&^%$&$$ is no reason for such an accusation.
Which is of course UNTRUE, as everything you post.

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mbig said:

You had time to read his website,

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mbig said:

but not the article AuthorS or original source, I guess.

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mbig said:

The Article in question written and UNmistakably prefaced with Lars Hedegaaard and Published in the NY Post.

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mbig said:

If you can't see that because of Blind rage-- that's a problem.

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mbig said:

Again, DO come back when you have time for something besides another Failed/Knee-jerk attack on my posts. Something you always have time for.

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Pipes is also a founder of CampusWatch, a right-wing ideological organization that engages in McCarthyist intimidations of academics. It attacks the very free speech and academic freedom that Berkeley Hillel pretends to champion in this case. CampusWatch attacks, particularly, those who politically criticize Israel or Zionism (its fundamentalist, apartheid ideology), or for their so-called “un-Americanism.�?

This invitation prompted a February 10th formal letter to the Daily Californian, signed by many Jews and others in the university community, objecting to Hillel’s invitation to Pipes in the strongest possible terms. The letter described Pipes as “vilely xenophobic�? and “echo[ing] messages directed against Jews in the past.�? The signatories to the letter included Professor Emerita Bluma Goldstein, who lost over 30 members of her family in the Holocaust, but who nonetheless morally rejects the imposition of nationalist Zionism in Palestine.

http://santacruz./newswire/display/7891/index.php

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alexa said:

Being so touchy on hate sites yourself, you surely do not think Daniel Pipes would be a suitable source. The David Duke of Islamaphobia comes to mind.

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