I don't see them making any headway in toppling moderate Middle Eastern regimes either.
well, given that i didn't consider Fatah to be all that 'moderate', I would tend to agree with you there. but Lebanon?
furthermore, you're skipping the first step. evil apostate regimes can survive against the efforts of the True Followers of Allah only because they are supported by the infedelic (rich) West; it is once their support is
removed that they will fall in a Holy Wave of etc. so on and so forth.
And also Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria which are known sponsors of terrorism immediately crack down when those same people they help wreak havoc on the West and/or Israel even try to do the same at home.
whereas countries like Yemen prefer to keep their Islamist elements just powerful enough to create trouble and guarantee American support for the regime.
The only way they can change anything in the West is to completely tear down our Constitutions.
not really; how many women now go out with their hair covered, not because they are Muslim, but just to avoid being harrassed?
You say this could take decades. I say it's very unlikely to happen. When push comes to shove, we lash out in very ugly ways.
i agree. unfortunately, given those birthrates, you are at a strong disadvantage. when 'push comes to shove', God has an interesting tendency to side with the bigger armies.
You have to put yourself in a Muslim mindset to understand those results. I'll try and explain the French, since it's the population I know best. Depending on how the question was worded, it is more than likely that what immediately came to mind when asked about suicide bombings was Israel. French Muslims are definitely not friends of Israel and they will always feel that the Palestinian struggle is a just one.
:shrug: i feel that the war in Afghanistan is a just one.
guess what?
that doesn't mean i support mass-murdering innocent Afghani's or Pakistani's
these kids weren't asked if they supported the Palestinians, they were asked if they supported the tactic of deliberately targeting innocents for mass-murder via a suicide bomber. and they answered
yes.
This however does not in any way shape or form mean that these young people would actually join the fight themselves and start strapping bombs to their chest.
strapping bombs to one's chest is only one way in which one 'joins the fight'; suicide bombers aren't needed in massive numbers. what
are needed are networks of support personnel, who provide for clandestine movement, local knowledge, food and shelter, moral encouragement, financing, and a hundred other things a transnational guerrilla force needs.
The number of French born Muslims who become radicalized is abysmally low compared to the numbers in the UK and Germany.
interesting. i don't see the Muslim populations of the UK and Germany regularly pulling off hits like this:
According to its Office du Tourisme, the big event in Evreux this past weekend was supposed to be the annual fête de la pomme, du cidre et du fromage at the Place de la Mairie. Instead, in this charmingly smouldering cathedral town in Normandy, a shopping mall, a post office, two schools, upwards of 50 vehicles and, oh yes, the police station were destroyed by - what's the word? - "youths"...
They injured, among others, a dozen firemen. "To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious!" Mr Debré told France Info radio. "If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it."
Oh, dear. Who's not "being serious" here? In Normandy, it's not just the cheese that's soft and runny. Granted that France's over-regulated sclerotic economy profoundly obstructs the social mobility of immigrants, even Mr Debris - whoops, sorry - even Mr Debré cannot be so out of touch as to think "seriously" that the rioters are rioting for "a fairer, more fraternal society". But maybe he does. The political class and the media seem to serve as mutual reinforcers of their obsolete illusions...
More than three years ago, I wrote about the "tournante" or "take your turn" - the gang rape that's become an adolescent rite of passage in the Muslim quarters of French cities - and similar phenomena throughout the West: "Multiculturalism means that the worst attributes of Muslim culture - the subjugation of women - combine with the worst attributes of Western culture - licence and self-gratification. Tattooed, pierced Pakistani skinhead gangs swaggering down the streets of northern England areas are as much a product of multiculturalism as the turban-wearing Sikh Mountie in the vice-regal escort." Islamofascism itself is what it says: a fusion of Islamic identity with old-school European totalitarianism. But, whether in turbans or gangsta threads, just as Communism was in its day, so Islamism is today's ideology of choice for the world's disaffected.
Some of us believe this is an early skirmish in the Eurabian civil war. If the insurgents emerge emboldened, what next? In five years' time, there will be even more of them, and even less resolve on the part of the French state. That, in turn, is likely to accelerate the demographic decline. Europe could face a continent-wide version of the "white flight" phenomenon seen in crime-ridden American cities during the 1970s, as Danes and Dutch scram to America, Australia or anywhere else that will have them...
