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    Who will be new Labour leader?

    So, the ConDems take power. Good luck to them. I give it about 2 years.

    In the meantime Brown resigns. Who do you think will be the new leader? Who should it be and who do you want it to be?

    Personally, I think Labour needs to return to the left with a new critique of liberal economics and new ideas for offering a socialist alternative. Who could be the figurehead for such a move? Were I still a Labour Party member (haven't been since 1998), I'd go for John Cruddas. If you're thinking Miliband, I'm thinking (Ed) Balls to that! No pod people please. That rules those two out of it.

    Any thoughts? It's a big decision for them to take as the new person could be knocking on the door of No.10 before the Olympics.
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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, the ConDems take power. Good luck to them. I give it about 2 years.

    In the meantime Brown resigns. Who do you think will be the new leader? Who should it be and who do you want it to be?

    Personally, I think Labour needs to return to the left with a new critique of liberal economics and new ideas for offering a socialist alternative. Who could be the figurehead for such a move? Were I still a Labour Party member (haven't been since 1998), I'd go for John Cruddas. If you're thinking Miliband, I'm thinking (Ed) Balls to that! No pod people please. That rules those two out of it.

    Any thoughts? It's a big decision for them to take as the new person could be knocking on the door of No.10 before the Olympics.
    I am sorry to say I do not know John Cruddas though I did check him out on Wiki.

    With the Millibands I would prefer Ed. What is a pod person. God, you make me feel so stupid.
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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    What is a pod person.
    When I don't know the meaning of a word, I usually type that word followed by "urban" in Google:

    Urban Dictionary: pod person

    Those definitions are very loose but it gives me an idea.

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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    -- Personally, I think Labour needs to return to the left with a new critique of liberal economics and new ideas for offering a socialist alternative.
    Haven't Labour gone down the left before after a General Election defeat and consequently paid a heavy price?

    Methinks Cruddas could be a new Michael Foot

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    --. If you're thinking Miliband, I'm thinking (Ed) Balls to that! --
    Interesting that you rule the New Labour elements out.
    Personally I really dislike Ed Balls and would vote Miliband (pod person or not) however I still have memories of the disappointment with who and what Tony Blair turned out to be after most of the country invested so much hope in him in 1997.

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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Of course, being partisan as I am to the wereckers of the Labour Party, I'd say the best man for me would be their worst.


    So, then, we'd need a ex-communist paedophile warmongering traitor who wages constant war on men, taxpayers, 'homophobics', 'Islamophobics', middle-class middle-incomers to tax us to death, before signing away the last scraps of national sovereignty to the EU without permission, then telling us patriotism is just fascism really, selling off all our assets at boot sale prices, before being robbed when caught looking for gay sex on a common and telling us it was all just a private affair.


    I know that wouldn't scale it down much, but that would shave off one or two mismatches I shouldn't wonder!


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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Sorry thing is that they need someone with a lot of charisma, that is essential nowadays. Then they need someone who can come over as having integrity or even better have some.

    Yes, would be a good idea to have some kind of a vision and genuine ways to try and get equality of opportunity on the move again.

    I don't know who the person is.

    To me David Miliband just does not come over strong enough. Alistair Darling and Ed Balls would get us nowhere.

    John Cruddas is possibly a possibility
    Jon Cruddas, the MP for Dagenham in east London, has said he is "actively considering" joining the race to replace Gordon Brown. He has fought a long battle against the rise of the far-right. But he has also developed into a leading thinker about Labour's future, albeit one unafraid to use sociological jargon.

    The former adviser to Tony Blair has maintained his left-wing roots and ran for the deputy leadership in 2007 with the support of unions, but lost to Harriet Harman.

    He argues that the party needs to reconnect with its grass roots because working-class voters in the most marginalised communities have lost faith in politics.

    Mr Cruddas turned down the chance to enter government under Gordon Brown, preferring to remain on the back benches.
    BBC News - Labour leadership contest: Runners and riders

    I think we do need to revive ideas of social conscience and include all areas of the community. We need to remember again we are a society.

    Anyway, I will look out for him and see what he sounds like.
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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Labour need a John Smith.
    Unfortunately for them there is no one within the Labour Party who can command the respect the he was given by almost everyone.

    If only Mandelson would keep his slimey hands out of the Labour party politics they may be able to find someone who is honest (well relatively) and able to have the respect of the electorate.

    Cruddas is a wee bit too far to the left for my vote, wonder if he learned from from that twit Brown how not to run a Government.

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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    I doubt Labour is going to go "back to the left" any time soon. The party has changed not only its composition but its means and overall ideology; there is no turning back. Labour is a party of capital.

    I think that there will be a push for a new party in the near future.
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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Labour need a John Smith.
    Unfortunately for them there is no one within the Labour Party who can command the respect the he was given by almost everyone --
    Agree, John Smith brought together both sides of the Labour Party. The dark horse seems to be David Milliband's younger brother Ed - however all he does is bridge the Blairite / Brownite wings which are on the right of the party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I doubt Labour is going to go "back to the left" any time soon. The party has changed not only its composition but its means and overall ideology; there is no turning back. Labour is a party of capital.

    I think that there will be a push for a new party in the near future.
    There are always pushes for new versions - Arthur Scargill tried as have others. We also have the Socialist Worker's party mainly in England and Scotland has many versions of the SWP - usually numbering very few members. The Respect Party took more left leaning members / voters away mainly in London.

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    Re: Who will be new Labour leader?

    Yes but I was talking about an actual significant focus. The push for a new party will become a big discussion, and not just be confined to the socialist parties.
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