Thread: 'Animal Cruelty' to sell a goldfish, but Halal's OK!

A strapping six-foot 14 year-old was used by Trading Standards to snare an old woman in a self-righteous pet shop sting:

Great-grandmother is tagged for selling a goldfish | Mail Online

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Gotta safeguard animal rights at whatever cost! Just common sense...

BBC NEWS | UK | Halal and Kosher slaughter 'must end'

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...Oh.

Are you going to link every news story to Islam somehow? Is every crime by a white citizen going to be claimed to be outrageous because a muslim somewhere might be doing something you don't like?

Animals that are born and live in water are all Haram with the exception of fish. All types of fishes are Halal, with the exception of that which dies naturally in the sea without any external cause. However, if a fish was to die due to some external cause such as cold, heat, being thrown to the shore by the water, colliding with a stone, etc, then it would be Halal

Are you arguing the goldfish story and and Halal story present different arguments? Or that Muslims are Jews are getting away with something? They both are about animal rights groups/laws getting into people's personal lives, whether its selling goldfish or having food prepared in accordance with your religion.

A single data point is hardly conclusive evidence of anything, just because some pet store owner is punished for violating an animal right law doesn't mean Muslims are getting away with something. Besides I doubt you think that slaughtering an animal by slitting its throat is animal cruelty at all, and I'd bet you don't have a problem with that practice in itself but are just trying to portray them in a negative light using whatever reason you can imagine.

Two short points in that quick, clean article:

1. That old woman was stung for something that's only a crime in the eyes of legislators (selling a fish to a 14-year old, and one who looked older to boot). And it's only been on the statute books 4 years.

2. Halal/kosher is an example of something much worse on the animal cruelty front, which even has the blessing of the State and big business* and the blind eye of animal rights groups (even the violent nutter ones). I know I'm on my high horse about Islam a lot but I wasn't going to make a full scale tattoo out of it this time.

Joined-up government time do you think?

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* The Halal animal 'Auschwitz', right here in the UK: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...hange-hmm.html (Animal Cruelty Death Camp and Sharia Stock Exchange? Hmm...)

Well I agree that the woman being punished for who she sold a goldfish to is ridiculous. However, its hard to claim as evidence that animal rights groups are turning a blind eye to halal/kosher food preparation when you post a story that begins with:
The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), which advises the government on how to avoid cruelty to livestock, says the way Kosher and Halal meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals.

It took them long enough. And as nothing usually gets said, it's hard to find any links to that nothing! This the first I've ever heard of a single advisory committee actually bothering to voice its concern over the method of slaughter. But there's been no big high-profile Paul McCartney's wife-type fuss over this though, or anything like the harassment vivisectionists have faced through the years. No newspaper splashes or paint thrown over people over this one, or bodies dug up (though that's probably just as well).

I applaud the FAWC for its lonely stand, though a few small groups like VIVA bother supermarkets once in a while before disappearing back into obscurity. But overall nobody from these animal groups care too much, probably because they're scared of the old 'racist' slander.


Animal rights activists attack ASDA for stocking 'cruel' Halal meat| News | This is London - It can really pick its suppliers can't it?!


And, to get back to the point, if we were to see halal as illegal as 'dodgy' pet shop service then I'd have a bit less to whine about in the thread!

A little on the Government's animal schitzophrenia:

New Labour and animal rights - now they want to ?extend social justice to animals' - FishingMagic Forums

It's alright for animal people to lambast fishermen and hunters though. Touch of a double standard there.

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

-- 1. That old woman was stung for something that's only a crime in the eyes of legislators (selling a fish to a 14-year old, and one who looked older to boot). And it's only been on the statute books 4 years.

The argument isn't what defines a crime or whether an 80 year old is convicted but about selling animals to underage citizens. It's a crime - and you'd be claiming left wing crime if the animals being sold were pit bull terriers to young gang members.

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

--2. Halal/kosher is an example of something much worse on the animal cruelty front --

The story of a grandmother selling to an underage citizen isn't about animal cruelty but about breaking a law and putting an animal's life into the hands of a child. I also wonder when you will complain about the cruel deaths of millions of fish when hauled out of the sea and into a non water environment to die a slow painfull drowning in air.
Is that not worse than slitting an animal's throat in halah or kosher slaughter of animals?

Oooo, can't put an animal in the charge of a child! Surely there's no historical precedent for kids being able to take care of poor little fishy-wishies, squeaky wittle guinea pigs or fwuffy bunny-wabbits!

Other loopy legislation under this government include being fined for putting your bin out on the wrong day/having it too full and for not having a bicycle bell. They've come out with a skipful of annoyingly jobsworth-friendly policies, equalled only by the EU.

But on the other side of the coin, real criminals are more likely to be let off with cautions as the jails are too full. Point of principle to be the first government since Victorian times not to build more jails to mirror the rising population. There's your 'left wing crime' and they have no idea how they're in the wrong!

Good to know our masters once again have things in priority!


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