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European leaders Spar over Greece Bailout

Likewise I think you grossly exaggerate the influence anyone could have on these markets. The market for euros is simply too big to make this story stick.
If you have 395 tons of gold lying around and announce a fire sale you can advice people to buy gold but don't expect too much of it.

Hardly. 150 dollar oil is widely suspected to be due to speculators and there is more than enough evidence of it.

The 1997 Asian financial crisis was due to speculators.

Black Wednesday was due to speculators, with George Soros at the head.

The run on Sweden's Kroner was due to speculators.

The higher on the chain the "experts" and the more of these "experts" can work together for a common goal, the bigger the impact they can have on the financial markets.

I have not claimed that this guy can do it alone, but he is one of a few high profile "experts" with a ton of money in the market betting against the Euro and all these high profile "experts" say the same and oddly enough especially the American tv stations listen without providing an opposite view or even asking tough questions.

However when you ask and we do get an actual expert with no money in the system, the tone often changes to the total opposite and they often have their facts with them unlike the "experts" who only have their "feelings".
 
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British banks allowed Soros to borrow 15 billion pounds. He bought dmarks which gave the pound an extra push downwards and he returned the loan. It's an epic story but the pound was coming down anyway, also without Soros his help.
The pound was going to go lower without Soros, he just made it move faster and it probably dropped more then it would have without him
We were talking about another 'moron' (I would love to be one of Pete's morons). Maybe you can explain me how Rogers shorted the Euro, the pound and the dollar.

Some people focus on self interest as if were a bad thing. That's why all those communists become famous investors (sic).
You don't buy gold or currency because Soros/Rogers tells you to, you buy because you believe in the why, the reasoning behind their strategy.

Self interest is of course a good thing, it just means to take certain public statements with a grain of salt. The reason to buy is of course is the reasoning behind their strategy, too bad for many people they dont. The follow the strategy as publically announced by famous investors rather then make their own judgements
 
Hardly. 150 dollar oil is widely suspected to be due to speculators and there is more than enough evidence of it.
We are all speculating on rising oil prices, good news for OPEC countries.
It's a foolish example imo.
The 1997 Asian financial crisis was due to speculators.
The causes are contested but they point at a bancrupt Thailand. A real estate bubble combined with massive foreign debt and the decission to float the currency did, off course, influence investors. I wouldn't call that speculation though.
Black Wednesday was due to speculators, with George Soros at the head.
Attributed yes, caused no.
The run on Sweden's Kroner was due to speculators.
This was a classical case of a real estate and financial bubble, driven by a rapid increase in lending. Now where have we seen that before!

The higher on the chain the "experts" and the more of these "experts" can work together for a common goal, the bigger the impact they can have on the financial markets.

I have not claimed that this guy can do it alone, but he is one of a few high profile "experts" with a ton of money in the market betting against the Euro and all these high profile "experts" say the same and oddly enough especially the American tv stations listen without providing an opposite view or even asking tough questions.

However when you ask and we do get an actual expert with no money in the system, the tone often changes to the total opposite and they often have their facts with them unlike the "experts" who only have their "feelings".
Probably jews Pete!

Ok, that was below the belt.

You can bet against the Euro all you like, there's no way an invidual investor or even a large financial instution could possible compete with the ECB. I don't think Soros would be allowed to loan 15 billion pounds and return it whenever he likes. At least, not anymore.
 
The pound was going to go lower without Soros, he just made it move faster and it probably dropped more then it would have without him
Indeed.
Self interest is of course a good thing, it just means to take certain public statements with a grain of salt. The reason to buy is of course is the reasoning behind their strategy, too bad for many people they dont. The follow the strategy as publically announced by famous investors rather then make their own judgements
Small people probably do. But these markets are driven by governments and large financial instutions. I would sooner rely on a famous investor than some financial instution or government for that matter. Investors tend to argue.., a lot. Even if you would listen to them you wouldn't know what to make of it.
 
Jim Rogers dosn't have to Hype his positions.
Basically everyone knows what they are for 15 years since he started his Commodity Fund, and well before that too.

He is Down on Western currencies and Up on Agri and Metals.
Which currency he is or isn't short this week isn't a plot to ruin Greece or wherever. He doesn't like the US Dollar or B-pound either.

And considering the horrible shape of most Western countries Balance sheets, this is hardly even news at this point.
Of course, if you had listened to him when he started that fund and/or invested in it you'd be much better off.
And IMO, one can say the same thing now.

FYI, he is Bullish especially on agri and has said in a few years it's the Farmers, not investment bankers, who'll be driving Ferraris.
I'll dig this out of the archive for you in 2015.

Don't cry over spilt Euros; learn to use information to your advantage.
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Our politicians in Brussels are more worried about the image damage to the euro as the amount of debt Greece has.

Im more concerned about the eastern european states that some day might want the euro? We must look 3 times at any furthre canidate who wants to join the euro.

It can be a advantage for both us and them if they dont accept the euro. They can devalue there currency if needed, or pile up more debt if desired and still sell there products to us. They are not less european if they keep there currency. Look at Britian, Norway, Switzerland and Denmark. They are all doing fine.
 
Our politicians in Brussels are more worried about the image damage to the euro as the amount of debt Greece has.

Im more concerned about the eastern european states that some day might want the euro? We must look 3 times at any furthre canidate who wants to join the euro.

It can be a advantage for both us and them if they dont accept the euro. They can devalue there currency if needed, or pile up more debt if desired and still sell there products to us. They are not less european if they keep there currency. Look at Britian, Norway, Switzerland and Denmark. They are all doing fine.

Well Norway is, Swiss are ok and Denmark

Britain not so much
 
Our politicians in Brussels are more worried about the image damage to the euro as the amount of debt Greece has.

Im more concerned about the eastern european states that some day might want the euro? We must look 3 times at any furthre canidate who wants to join the euro.

It can be a advantage for both us and them if they dont accept the euro. They can devalue there currency if needed, or pile up more debt if desired and still sell there products to us. They are not less european if they keep there currency. Look at Britian, Norway, Switzerland and Denmark. They are all doing fine.

Norway has oil.. lots of oil. It has also been wise and saved up for its people so it today has the second biggest sovereign wealth fund and made a "killing" during this crisis. Norway has no need for now at least to be part of anything. Norway is probably the most healthy (economically) nation on the planet.

The Swiss. They have a banking system that rivals the City of London and of course are big in pharma. They have also always been on the outside due to their some time fanatical nationalism and independence demands. This is one of the reason the Swiss only joined the UN a few decades ago. Point is they have no need for the EU or anyone else and it has always been like that.

Now the Danes. Yes they voted to stay outside the Euro, but that was based on ignorance and fearmongering by the anti-EU morons. Their main argument against the Euro... the coins could not have the head of the Danish Queen on them... which they of course could but that was enough. Fast forward almost 2 decades and more and more people are calling Denmark to enter the Eurozone.. including those that use to be against it. And the reason is very simple.. our biggest markets are in the Euro zone.

Oh and the Danish Kroner has been pegged to the Euro since the Euros creation and it has not budged much. So all this has meant, is an cost increase for Danish companies and less of transparency on prices. That is why Coca Cola can mark up a bottle of Coke by insane amounts in Denmark without it being so obvious.

We also went through our "crisis" in the late 1970s/early 1980s, and we learned from it and this crisis has so far not made unemployment shoot up or the budget deficit go nuts. In fact Denmark barely had negative growth last I looked, and that was only due to Germany tanking a bit. Believe me, Denmark was far worse off than Greece in 1979.. we were a wisker away from defaulting thanks to the Social Democrats. But thanks to the Conservative-Liberal alliance we got out of the hole with austerity measures that in many ways make the Greek measures look like childsplay.

And Britain.. of the 4 mentioned.. is in a so big hole at the moment that it rivals the hole the UK was in before it joined the EEC back in the day. But the government and the opposition is still in denial and unwilling to take the action needed to get out of the hole, so the pain will be hard and long for the UK as it stands now.

It is ironic, that the British budget deficit is far larger than that of Greece and there is no plans what so ever to bring it down. Sure their over all debt load is still relatively low but it is climbing fast.. very fast. From being around 40% only a few years ago to start pushing the 90% mark in the next few years.

I am not saying joining the Eurozone will help or make it worse, but what I do find funny is the amount of "hate" coming from Brits towards the Eurozone ... when they first off are not in the Eurozone and secondly are no thinking of joining ever.. so why all the hate and bother about it :confused:
 
In regards to the UK I dont know? I assume UK business wants the europe, so there is always an issue politicians can make points with there voters?

With Greece and I can speak for most Germans, we resent that they commited fraud to get in and now except our help.
Of course there debt is very small in comparison of the overall GNP of EU, I heard 2.3%?

We all love each other until we talk about burden sharing. Each countrty will want to get more back than they give. Its human and hypocritical.

In Germany its a ritual that were being soaked by the EU. Few politicains point out we have gained the most from EU through our business ventures in eastern Europe and of course Brussels helped build up East Germany.

One has to be really interested to get both sides of the story.
 
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