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    Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

    Roughly one hundred people demonstrated on Istiklal Street in Istanbul on Saturday in a creative and lively protest against recent controversial comments by a government minister that have drawn significant attention in Turkey and abroad.

    State Minister in charge of families and children, Selma Aliye Kavaf, angered Turkey’s gay rights alliance Lamda, when she told daily HUrriyet in an interview earlier this month “I believe homosexuality is a biological disorder, a disease.”

    “I believe [homosexuality] is something that needs to be treated,” she also told the daily.

    In the statement it released at the protest, Lambda countered that it believes that it is not homosexuality but homophobia, transphobia and discrimination more generally that are disease in need of treatment.

    Gays hold lively demonstration against comments by Turkish minister - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review
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    Re: Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

    The Minister's comments were hardly a call for homos to be punished or hounded though, so noisemakers Lambda should get a grip.

    I had a bit of sympathy until I saw they were just as intolerant of the Minister's position as she apparently was of theirs. Both sides want to 'treat' the other, so the irony of gay groups calling for 'tolerance' doesn't escape me.
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    Re: Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    The Minister's comments were hardly a call for homos to be punished or hounded though, so noisemakers Lambda should get a grip.

    I had a bit of sympathy until I saw they were just as intolerant of the Minister's position as she apparently was of theirs. Both sides want to 'treat' the other, so the irony of gay groups calling for 'tolerance' doesn't escape me.
    A predictably hypocritical post. This from a person constantly banging on about Islamic fundamentalism. Here is a demonstration, in favour of gay rights, in a Moslem country. It was organised by a small group of activists to protest against the homophobia of a ruling, moderate Islamist party minister. It passed off peacefully.

    I see you are only against the authoritarian, mediaeval aspects of Islam when it's in your country. If it's attacking a liberal cause, or a minority group you don't like, it's fine by you. I suspect you have rather more in common with Anjem Choudary than you'd like to admit.

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    "I see you are only against the authoritarian, mediaeval aspects of Islam when it's in your country." - They can do what they want in their own countries, I just don't want things like hanging homos over here. I don't want to police the world.


    I have no problem with homosexuals going unmolested (as it were). Just these gay groups have a tendency to call for things like primary school kids to be dosed up on propaganda, the age of homosexual consent lowered to 14 or the laws on gross indecency to be repealed.


    I know full well the difference between ordinary, nice people who happen to be gay wanting to just get on with life, and the professional gays making a big noise and demand about everything. As I say, the Minister only spoke her mind about what she saw as a collapse in morals.
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    Re: Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    I have no problem with homosexuals going unmolested (as it were). Just these gay groups have a tendency to call for things like primary school kids to be dosed up on propaganda, the age of homosexual consent lowered to 14 or the laws on gross indecency to be repealed.
    You'd better post some links to websites of groups who advocate "dosing primary schools up on propaganda" and advocating a gay age of consent being set at 14. FYI links to the following will not be accepted as proof: WSJ, Mail, Express, Telegraph or any religious or anti-gay hate group.

    I know full well the difference between ordinary, nice people who happen to be gay wanting to just get on with life, and the professional gays making a big noise and demand about everything. As I say, the Minister only spoke her mind about what she saw as a collapse in morals.
    She spoke of homosexuality thus:
    “I believe homosexuality is a biological disorder, a disease. I believe [homosexuality] is something that needs to be treated. Therefore I do not have a positive opinion of gay marriage.”

    Well, that contradicts the internationally-accepted medical opinion as expressed by the WHO. It also flies in the face of EU policy and may have strong repercussions for Turkey's accession talks. Of course, it's her opinion and she's entitled to it, but your attack on those putting their counter-opinion, calling them intolerant, is way wide of the mark. If a British minister or shadow minister said the same thing they would both be condemned by their party leadership for giving a negative image to their party and the country, despite the fact that they have every legal right to express themselves.

    Funny how you say she's entitled to her opinion, but when Lambda express their opposition, they are "intolerant". Not that I'm accusing you of double standards...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    FYI links to the following will not be accepted as proof: WSJ, Mail, Express, Telegraph or any religious or anti-gay hate group.
    What by? Your Marxist totalitarian self-censorship of things you don't like the sound of? Let's have the debate flow and finish where it pleases without any false barriers.


    First off, here's a smattering of some of the 'freedom' advocates with a taste for some 'normalised' schoolboy action:


    Youth groups tell Sente to keep consent age at 14

    CONSENT AT 14

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...searchers.html


    When you go down that road, paedophilia is sure to follow, even amongst heteros:

    Paedophiles could get lighter sentences if victim 'gives consent' | Mail Online

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/dec/06121905.html

    Harriet Harman also wanted to dilute child porn laws before being forced to backtrack:

    Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law - Telegraph

    (Labour looks riddled with child sex advocates and practitioners. We can come to that later, though here's a taste: CLAUSE 28 CURBS ON 'GAY' LESSONS TO BE SCRAPPED | News | Local Government Chronicle

    Mind, some come out with credit: 'GAY LESSONS' SCHEME FOR SCHOOLS IS REJECTED IN ROTHERHAM | News | Local Government Chronicle )


    Further down the road: Jonathan King makes Vile Pervert: The Musical - Telegraph



    I'd rather kids learn to to read and write properly, especially at that age:

    Gay fairy tales for primary school children - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News

    Primary school children given gay assembly with Elton John song - Telegraph

    Parents face court action for removing children from gay history lessons | Mail Online

    Parents who protested about gay lessons for 5-year-olds 'homophobic'
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    "Of course, it's her opinion and she's entitled to it, but your attack on those putting their counter-opinion, calling them intolerant, is way wide of the mark."

    No it isn't. Looks like both groups are intolerant, though with people on one side wanting children to be able to have sex younger and younger, maybe one is more justified than the other.
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    Re: Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    What by? Your Marxist totalitarian self-censorship of things you don't like the sound of? Let's have the debate flow and finish where it pleases without any false barriers.


    First off, here's a smattering of some of the 'freedom' advocates with a taste for some 'normalised' schoolboy action:


    Youth groups tell Sente to keep consent age at 14

    CONSENT AT 14
    Well, firstly, the Canadian link isn't calling for the lowering of the age of consent. That had been 14 there for a century. It's opposing the raising of the AoC for all, not just for gays.

    The second article does call for a lowering the age of consent (which I disagree with) but for everyone, across the board, gay or straight. So this doesn't really prove your point that they are camapigning for "the age of homosexual consent lowered to 14". By all means, let's have a discussion on the AoC, but that's not what we are discussing.

    When you go down that road, paedophilia is sure to follow, even amongst heteros:
    As I say, a different matter unless you are trying to portray gays as paedos.

    (Labour looks riddled with child sex advocates and practitioners. We can come to that later, though here's a taste: CLAUSE 28 CURBS ON 'GAY' LESSONS TO BE SCRAPPED | News | Local Government Chronicle

    Mind, some come out with credit: 'GAY LESSONS' SCHEME FOR SCHOOLS IS REJECTED IN ROTHERHAM | News | Local Government Chronicle )
    Please don't post links that require subscriptions. If you think I'm paying to read your links, you've got another think coming.

    Ah, I see, you ARE trying to make the link between gays and paedos.

    I'm in favour of kids being taught the value of tolerance and co-existence. No primary school kids are being taught about "gay sex", even your Telegraph article doesn't claim that. They are being taught that the World is made up of different kinds of people, some of whom love people of the opposite sex, some of the same sex. They are also taught that some people have skin of one colour, some of another and that we are all as valuable as one another. The Islamists and fundamental Christians might have a problem with that, but I don't, nor do my friends, neighbours and family with kids of school age. Why do you?

    In your Telegraph article it reads:
    "In a statement sent out to schools by the council education officer Lynne Miller said: "Young children are exposed at a very early age to homophobic language. Pupils may call each other 'gay' without really understanding what it means, but learn that it means something negative, useless, and not positive."

    You got a problem with that?

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    "Of course, it's her opinion and she's entitled to it, but your attack on those putting their counter-opinion, calling them intolerant, is way wide of the mark."

    No it isn't. Looks like both groups are intolerant, though with people on one side wanting children to be able to have sex younger and younger, maybe one is more justified than the other.
    One side is saying, "you're diseased", the other is saying, "no we're not, you're prejudiced against us". Seems clear where the intolerance lies.

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    First, I'm not in favour of lowering the age of consent for both gays and straights. Indeed I think it should be raised to at least 18. I put the first link in because it just looked so peculiar for adults to be calling for the continuation of child sex. Especially when using the logic that because (to them) raising the age of consent won't stop all child abuse then you may as well let it all happen. And because the gay group is also making a fuss it can only be assumed that they want the same thing for the youngsters they're interested in.

    Yes, people are different as you say. Different colours or sexual orientation, but that's no basis for burying little children under mountains of copies of King & King or telling 14 year olds how to have 'proper' gay sex. Just the following words can decently make up the entire 'inclusiveness' syllabus: Gays exist and they're not evil or anything, so don't make their lives a misery about it.

    Gay sex to be described in school textbooks - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News


    Out Rage and Stonewall's calling for the age to be lowered to 14, with their interest being in homosexuals, only serves to want to legally mix kids up in something very adult and something obviously more confusing and emotional than heterosexual feelings. As if growing up isn't difficult enough these days. And although I'm not saying that paedophilia and homosexuality are mutual, I can see the door being opened further and further to predatory people in the name of sexual freedom when the likes of Harriet Harman get down to business.

    But at the bottom line I can say that I don't like kids being involved with gay issues. It's just not right, especially when they're so catastrophically negligent and emotionally backward when using the hetero stuff. They're far too young to take it all in, especially at primary school, however much it's sugar coated. And to read silly playground language as serious abuse makes no sense at all. Daft kids call each other all sorts of names but that doesn't carry on into adulthood, unless they're retarded or nasty (in which case there already plenty of bullying rules to punish kids under without inventing special gay-friendly ones). It's not nice to hear, but it's not as serious as a kicking.
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    Turkey should not be allowed into the EU until it falls in line with its humanitarian rights.

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    Re: Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    What by? Your Marxist totalitarian self-censorship of things you don't like the sound of? Let's have the debate flow and finish where it pleases without any false barriers.


    First off, here's a smattering of some of the 'freedom' advocates with a taste for some 'normalised' schoolboy action:


    Youth groups tell Sente to keep consent age at 14

    CONSENT AT 14

    Teach the pleasure of gay sex to children as young as five, say researchers | Mail Online


    When you go down that road, paedophilia is sure to follow, even amongst heteros:

    Paedophiles could get lighter sentences if victim 'gives consent' | Mail Online

    Age of Consent at 14 Makes Canada Favoured Sex Tourism Destination

    Harriet Harman also wanted to dilute child porn laws before being forced to backtrack:

    Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law - Telegraph

    (Labour looks riddled with child sex advocates and practitioners. We can come to that later, though here's a taste: CLAUSE 28 CURBS ON 'GAY' LESSONS TO BE SCRAPPED | News | Local Government Chronicle

    Mind, some come out with credit: 'GAY LESSONS' SCHEME FOR SCHOOLS IS REJECTED IN ROTHERHAM | News | Local Government Chronicle )


    Further down the road: Jonathan King makes Vile Pervert: The Musical - Telegraph



    I'd rather kids learn to to read and write properly, especially at that age:

    Gay fairy tales for primary school children - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News

    Primary school children given gay assembly with Elton John song - Telegraph

    Parents face court action for removing children from gay history lessons | Mail Online

    Parents who protested about gay lessons for 5-year-olds 'homophobic'
    _____________________________

    "Of course, it's her opinion and she's entitled to it, but your attack on those putting their counter-opinion, calling them intolerant, is way wide of the mark."

    No it isn't. Looks like both groups are intolerant, though with people on one side wanting children to be able to have sex younger and younger, maybe one is more justified than the other.
    Homosexual male political activists in the U.S. have a long history of promotion and tolerance of pedophile groups participating under the Gay Rights umbrella, and this can verified by homosexual history sites themselves. The main incentive driving their exclusion from participation has come from Lesbian threats of boycotting parades and other activities if groups like NAMBLA were allowed to continue to participate, and also, in 1994, Bill Clinton denied support for international Gay Rights activists being granted NGO status by the UN. Even at that, a significant minority of homosexual males still spoke up in support of allowing pedophile rings to participate, but were voted down due the loss of money and NGO status. The minutes of the 1994 meeting are on the main gay rights group website's history section, so no, it's not 'proganda'. I'll find the link for you if you wish.

    Harry Hays himself, the 'founder' of the homosexual rights political activism, wore a 'NAMBLA Walks With Me' button in one march in one parade NAMBLA was banned from; he was just so upset at their banning, and all.

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