Gays hold lively demonstration in Turkey to protest

kaya'08 said:

Oh christ. Im not going to argue with you.

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There is nothing to argue about.

You are both wrong and ignorant. The worst combination known to mother nature.

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If you had anything, you would have posted it. I accept your concession that you have nothing.

Actually your lack of understanding and your apparent homophobia to the gay minority is evident in your statement "heterosexual males cannot marry each other either". God help us if this is the current generation of the liberal capitalist superpower.

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Yes, I would imagine the fact that homosexuals are not deprived of any civil rights any other Americans have is a bad thing for the 'Gay Privileges' movement. In any case, being 'Liberal' or 'Left' has squat to do with lying about science, and politicizing science is always a bad thing, regardless of your personal wish lists; there is nothing 'liberal' or 'progressive' about forcing science to regurgitate politically correct fashion memes,

Red_Dave said:

And ive yet to see why proxiscuity should be regarded as anything other then harmless fun.

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Since much of it is not 'harmless fun', but destructive and dangerous, you have no point here.

Why are other peoples personal lives of such concern for you?

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I don't start these topics, and putting Gay Privilege amendments on public ballots makes them my business.

Any other stupid questions?

Oh wait, yes there are ...

Sorry what exactly are you trying to say here? that gays are incapable of protecting chilldren against pedophiles? Has this been proven?

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Read the thread and the links provided, then get back to us, hopefully with something relevant and not the usual strawmen.

I don't have a problem with anyone, we all struggle with internal "problems", so my only real problem with homosexuality is the obsession with sex and the "gay lifestyle" that the gay men i've known displayed.

Promiscuity is a main-line for unhappiness and problems throughout your life, homosexuality is obsessed with promiscuity and sex, so it seems negative and "dirty" to me.

(sans the gay man I know in a committed relationship, but he is "true gay" lol, not the sex obsessed gay you can witness at a parade for example)

SingleCellOrganism said:

I don't have a problem with anyone, we all struggle with internal "problems", so my only real problem with homosexuality is the obsession with sex and the "gay lifestyle" that the gay men i've known displayed.

Promiscuity is a main-line for unhappiness and problems throughout your life, homosexuality is obsessed with promiscuity and sex, so it seems negative and "dirty" to me.

(sans the gay man I know in a committed relationship, but he is "true gay" lol, not the sex obsessed gay you can witness at a parade for example)

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Yeah, 'cos heterosexual blokes have no interest in sex outside of marriage do they? All they want is to find Miss Right, settle down, breed and have sex with the same woman for the rest of their lives. Not.

In my experience gay and straight men have very, very similar attitudes to sex. The main difference seems to be that gay men just get more of what they want, more often. And with less guilt. That might seem 'dirty' to you, but like gay men care what up-tight moralists think. They've already got us signed up for Hell before we've even taken our socks off. F*** 'em!

Andalublue said:

Yeah, 'cos heterosexual blokes have no interest in sex outside of marriage do they? All they want is to find Miss Right, settle down, breed and have sex with the same woman for the rest of their lives. Not.

In my experience gay and straight men have very, very similar attitudes to sex. The main difference seems to be that gay men just get more of what they want, more often. And with less guilt. That might seem 'dirty' to you, but like gay men care what up-tight moralists think. They've already got us signed up for Hell before we've even taken our socks off. F*** 'em!

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It's a problem for hetero relationships too, absolutely, and just as destructive.

Uptight moralists? To me that is a compliment, the alternative is to be dirty and full of nastiness.

(anyone that has ascribed another to "hell" is probably going to end up there for thinking that way :shock: )

SingleCellOrganism said:

Uptight moralists? To me that is a compliment, the alternative is to be dirty and full of nastiness.

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Take it as you will, but if you limit yourself to worrying about your own morals rather than deciding who's 'dirty' and 'nasty' then you might be a better person. I think that's what Jesus had in mind in Matthew Ch.7. I don't recall his use of the word, 'nastiness'.

Andalublue said:

Take it as you will, but if you limit yourself to worrying about your own morals rather than deciding who's 'dirty' and 'nasty' then you might be a better person. I think that's what Jesus had in mind in Matthew Ch.7. I don't recall his use of the word, 'nastiness'.

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I'm not calling anyone anything, rather that the opposite of morally uptight is to be loose with morals, which = nasty IMO. So why not shoot for being moral?

Like I said, we all have our faults (nasties ), so I'm not pointing my finger at anyone lest it be pointed back at me!

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Take it as you will, but if you limit yourself to worrying about your own morals rather than deciding who's 'dirty' and 'nasty' then you might be a better person. I think that's what Jesus had in mind in Matthew Ch.7. I don't recall his use of the word, 'nastiness'.

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For this reason I mentioned that I don't care about homosexuality, its not me, so I have no right to comment.. but, much like a group of heroin users, I will point out the destructive nature of the promiscuity in a generic sense. (hetero or homo, I've had many debates with friends about this from a hetero perspective)

The gay man I work with, in a committed relationship, is fine by me; and even if he weren't I would never say anything directed at him. My comments are nebulous and generic about the action, rather than the people doing them.

SingleCellOrganism said:

The gay man I work with, in a committed relationship, is fine by me; and even if he weren't I would never say anything directed at him. My comments are nebulous and generic about the action, rather than the people doing them.

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This is my point, you are imposing your definitions of morality onto others. Your gay friend is "fine with you" because he conforms to your code of morals i.e. promiscuous is bad, committed relationship is good. Where are you getting that set of values from? Do you look down on your heterosexual friends who are not in a committed relationship and label them as 'promiscuous' if they date a lot?

Why not judge your gay friend not by his domestic set-up but by whether he's a good person, helpful, friendly, treats his co-workers well, loves his family? Not whether he dates one or 101 people. I'm happy to hear that you wouldn't moralise at him if he didn't meet your standards, but I hope you wouldn't rush to judge him either.

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This is my point, you are imposing your definitions of morality onto others. Your gay friend is "fine with you" because he conforms to your code of morals i.e. promiscuous is bad, committed relationship is good. Where are you getting that set of values from? Do you look down on your heterosexual friends who are not in a committed relationship and label them as 'promiscuous' if they date a lot?

Why not judge your gay friend not by his domestic set-up but by whether he's a good person, helpful, friendly, treats his co-workers well, loves his family? Not whether he dates one or 101 people. I'm happy to hear that you wouldn't moralise at him if he didn't meet your standards, but I hope you wouldn't rush to judge him either.

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About the personal stuff - I agree completely. My personal philosophy is to avoid looking down on anyone, who am I anyway?

But ... when discussing +/- of anything we have to elevate ourselves above our personal faults and aim for something better. So, generically speaking, yes I do look down on promiscuity; in the same way I look down on a drug use. It's not about judging them personally, rather their actions, as having negative consequences. A society is toast when as a whole "everything goes", there has to be a line in the sand.

Is anti-promiscuity a personal morality of mine? yes, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be an advocate of that position. I'm sure you do the same thing. We all do, just with obvious immorality like murder/stealing etc., but I have concluded that promiscuity is a major detriment to society; not unlike murder. (this is a whole other topic, but I will explain myself further if that doesn't make sense to you)