Thread: Dutch MP Geert Wilders' anti-Islam film sparks protests

Dutch MP Geert Wilders' anti-Islam film sparks protests

Controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders has shown his anti-Islam film in the UK's House of Lords, sparking angry scenes outside Parliament.

About 200 members of the English Defence League marched in support of Mr Wilders as police tried to keep apart anti-fascist counter-protesters.

The Met Police said 50 people, mostly counter-protesters, were arrested.

Freedom Party leader Mr Wilders, previously banned from the UK, says Islam and democracy are "incompatible".

The politician attempted to enter Britain last February, but was ordered to fly back to the Netherlands hours later. In October, the ban was overturned.

'Welcome to stay'

Mr Wilders said the film and subsequent discussion was attended by about 60 people.

At a press conference afterwards, he called for an end to immigration to Europe from Islamic countries, but said Muslims who agreed to obey the law of the land would be welcome to stay.

Several hundred members of the English Defence League (EDL) marched past the Houses of Parliament in support of the Dutch politician.

Flanked by mounted police, they chanted football songs and waved Cross of St George flags.

They were kept apart from dozens of anti-fascist demonstrators, who gathered outside the Houses of Parliament, by police officers.

The Unite Against Fascism organisation protested against the visit of Mr Wilders and the EDL march.

The Dutch politician is a guest of cross-bencher Baroness Cox and UK Independence Party leader Lord Pearson.

Lady Cox said the visit had been a victory for free speech, saying: "You don't have to agree but it is important to debate sensibly in a responsible and very democratic way."

The Home Office said it is opposed to "extremism in all its forms".

A spokesman said the government "regrets the decision by Baroness Cox and Lord Pearson to invite Geert Wilders to the House of Lords for a private showing of his film Fitna".

"However, we currently have no reason to deny Mr Wilders admission to the UK," he added.

Controversial film

The Freedom Party recently made major gains in local elections in the Netherlands, becoming the biggest party in the medium-sized city of Almere and the second largest in The Hague, which is the country's political capital.

The Dutch MP has called the Koran a "fascist book".

His film caused outrage across the Muslim world when it was posted on the internet in 2008.

Fitna's opening scenes show a copy of the Koran followed by footage of the 9/11 attacks in the US and the bombings in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005.

Mr Wilders has had 24-hour protection for the past five years after receiving death threats for his views.

The Dutch politician had been due to show his film at the House of Lords last year when the then Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said his presence had the potential to "threaten community harmony and therefore public safety", prompting the ban on him entering the country.


BBC News - Dutch MP Geert Wilders' anti-Islam film sparks protests

Wow, so much noise over a film!!! I would like someone to try to explain to me why people are so scared of this film. I watched it and although I think it is a little simplistic, it is certainly not racist. And frankly I don't think Geert Wilders is racist.

It's interesting that the Baroness invited a Dutch MP to show his film in the House of Lords in Britain. I suppose this has become an issue outside the Netherlands now as well. And I had no idea Britain had banned a Dutch MP from visiting Britain. What was that about? They actually banned this guy from entering the UK?

I watched this interview with him on the BBC and he doesn't sound like a racist to me.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cFKQNBH3s&feature=related"]YouTube- Geert Wilders on BBC Hardtalk, part 1[/ame]


I find this all very confusing to say the least. I always support an open debate on all matters, and this debate about this film suggests to me that some people would like to censor this guy, like the way some people wanted to censor newspapers that printed the cartoon of Mohammed.

Originally Posted by Rachel

Wow, so much noise over a film!!! I would like someone to try to explain to me why people are so scared of this film. I watched it and although I think it is a little simplistic, it is certainly not racist. And frankly I don't think Geert Wilders is racist.

It's interesting that the Baroness invited a Dutch MP to show his film in the House of Lords in Britain. I suppose this has become an issue outside the Netherlands now as well. And I had no idea Britain had banned a Dutch MP from visiting Britain. What was that about? They actually banned this guy from entering the UK?

I watched this interview with him on the BBC and he doesn't sound like a racist to me.

YouTube- Geert Wilders on BBC Hardtalk, part 1


I find this all very confusing to say the least. I always support an open debate on all matters, and this debate about this film suggests to me that some people would like to censor this guy, like the way some people wanted to censor newspapers that printed the cartoon of Mohammed.

Mr Wilders should visit the former Dutch colony of Indonesia, it is the largest Muslim country in the world and...it is a democracy

I wonder what the problem was. These Lordships would have been intelligent enough to form their own conclusions without being told what to think by the likes of bullish Lord Ahmed or the shouting righteous of the anti fascist brigade. (Just 'cos they've got no more Cold War missile bases to riot over for the benefit of jittery Soviets, they have to find some other 'misunderstood' bullies to stand up for.)

And it's also ironic how selective the rowdy Left are in who they target for abuse or defence. Quite hypocritical actually. Fitna outlines the severe oppression of women in orthodox Islam. Leftists indulge in a nice holohoax-style denial of that, yet positively drip with vitriol over perceived inequalities in Western societies: for example, screams about how British institutions have too many white people in them, or how women shouldn't feel forced by convention to wear bras or skirts or stay away from the Priesthood.

No wonder I come out with all guns blazing about the Left, with so many acting like spoilt children and little dictators.
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TRICKS OF TAQUIYYA: "We're just as outraged as you are....."


On a related note, consistency is an optional extra for the Muslims as well. It's funny that the Muslim world 'erupts' for the sake of a cartoon or short film which even many other Westerners can't take at face value. So on that ticket you would expect the Muslim world to positively burst with indignation and protest when the bombs go off, antisemitic cartoons get printed in Muslim lands, Western cities get trashed or the Jews get blamed for 9/11, but no....


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPacwjv3TeE"]YouTube- An Interview Politically Correct Britain Would Never Allow On The Airwaves[/ame]


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You little Muslim tinkers:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...me-people.html (Islamists devour their own Supreme Protector! No respect some people!)

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...w-germany.html (Islamists now in Germany)

"anti" fascist protesters? If these supporters for totalitarian Islam had their way, any criticism of Islam would be verbotten.

Orwell must be rolling in his grave.

I saw it months ago. I can hardly remember anything about it, so my guess is it's probably a rather harmless little movie.

Originally Posted by Gardener

"anti" fascist protesters? If these supporters for totalitarian Islam had their way, any criticism of Islam would be verbotten.

Under our New Labour apparatchiks, as well as other quisling governments in the West, that's well well underway.....


United Nations Ban Criticism of Islam Freedom Ain’t Free & Take Our Country Back

Gutless LSE bans Islam critic Douglas Murray for 'security reasons' – Telegraph Blogs

Islam Watch - "Islam and Intellectual Terrorism" by Ibn Warraq

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | New effort to ban religious hate


New 'Equality' laws ban criticism or discrimination against any religion or adherent, even only if someone perceives an offence. In real life this means that people can be prosecuted for criticising the death cult of Islam and questions why there is no Reformation. You can use the legislation to force Christian schools to take in Muslims, but just you watch your back when lambasting imams for keeping out Christians and calling them apes.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnOdD46WI0M"]YouTube- This is what Muslim Children are taught in Britain[/ame]



"There is no hate in our beautiful, clean schools or religion....." Taqiyya, Taqiyya, Taqiyya.....! Fundamental Islam is a religion of genocide and dehamanisation of the non-Naz, er non-Muslims. But on the other hand you just have to take it in context to see it's full beauty!


Let's see the massive swathe of supremacist Muslims in this country be prosecuted for inciting religious hatred against Jews or given diversity training for their absolute contempt for Britain:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srigEkBRf7o"]YouTube- What muslims want 1/7[/ame]



That gonna happen Ms. Harman? Ms. Harman...?

Originally Posted by bub

Mr Wilders should visit the former Dutch colony of Indonesia, it is the largest Muslim country in the world and...it is a democracy

Perhaps he should.

I agree with you that Indonesia is a democracy. Unlike many other Islamic states like Saudi Arabia, Sudan, or Iran. Perhaps he really should go to Muslim countries and show his film and discuss it with their Imams.

Although maybe the thought of being beheaded has forced him to postpone his visits to certain countries for now. I mean, in light of all the death threats.

But what I find strange is the debate in Europe about this film and about the views Geert Wilders expressed. Why is it that the British Home Secretary found it necessary to ban a Dutch MP from entering the UK? What is it about this film that makes some people in Europe so uncomfortable? And why were people protesting against his visit to the House of Lords?

His ideas don't seem that extreme at all. He would probably be considered boring and even a moderate by Fox News. He certainly wouldn't be put on trial in the US, and many other countries for that matter, for making a documentary like this. Isn't this protected by freedom of speech laws in the Netherlands?

Here's the film. I suppose since this is what started this whole thing I should also post this here:[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI&feature=related"]YouTube- Fitna part 1/4 English Geert Wilders![/ame]

Islam's a Religion of Peace - so much so they'll kill you for denying it!




I think Roy Chubby Brown put it best when he said that Muslim women feeling obliged to wear the burkha for their culture is comparible to the culture of the Ku Klux Klan, only with different coloured sheets.

(I'm not sure the mods may allow the video up, so go to Youtube and paste CHUBBY BROWN ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS into the bar.)

Originally Posted by Rachel

Perhaps he should.

I agree with you that Indonesia is a democracy. Unlike many other Islamic states like Saudi Arabia, Sudan, or Iran. Perhaps he really should go to Muslim countries and show his film and discuss it with their Imams.

Although maybe the thought of being beheaded has forced him to postpone his visits to certain countries for now. I mean, in light of all the death threats.

But what I find strange is the debate in Europe about this film and about the views Geert Wilders expressed. Why is it that the British Home Secretary found it necessary to ban a Dutch MP from entering the UK? What is it about this film that makes some people in Europe so uncomfortable? And why were people protesting against his visit to the House of Lords?

His ideas don't seem that extreme at all. He would probably be considered boring and even a moderate by Fox News. He certainly wouldn't be put on trial in the US, and many other countries for that matter, for making a documentary like this. Isn't this protected by freedom of speech laws in the Netherlands?

Here's the film. I suppose since this is what started this whole thing I should also post this here:YouTube- Fitna part 1/4 English Geert Wilders!

He was banned because Lord Ahmed believed at the time that it would be used as an excuse - that is by the BNP and radical Islamists to stir people up. He was already awaiting trial in the Netherlands. We have a sensitive situation with our Muslim population at the moment, not least because some people like to see them all as radicals and terrorists when this is a very small section.

He appealed the ban and won.

The film is offensive and is rather like a cartoon kind of YouTube film. It is not real.

However as you will see the Muslims of the UK have worked very well on this. When Wilder visited a few months ago there was only a group of 40 extremists protesting and from what I read the protests were from the EDL possibly the BNP and anti fascists, so what I am wondering is more what you are making all the fuss for.

"We have a sensitive situation with our Muslim population at the moment" - now there's the understatement of the year.


It's not the rioters on the streets you should worry about in the long run. Even the Labour Party, crippled by its own internal Islamic fifth-column, can try to sort that problem out with the usual police.

The Muslims who put in the best efforts to radicalise the young, or blow things up, were all supposedly good old 'British' boys. They helped handicapped kids, worked as doctors, played cricket and looked after their good old mums.

Older Muslims tend to want a life in peace, but a whopping segment of the younger generation admit there is nothing wrong with their religion's extremism and the Islamification of Britain. These are the people who are usually dormant until they see their moment to strike out, often backed by regimes abroad. And thank God they're usually acting in relatively small groups when they do.

So all this talk about things being hijacked by the EDL or BNP is just a fob-off, all to make people think the problems are just localised and marginalised. And the rest of the Muslim Establishment needs to work damn hard to push out the extremists from their sub-society if they're so damn serious about being benign. Otherwise what are we meant to think.....?


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Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students - Telegraph

Guardian Unlimited | UK Latest | '40% of UK Muslims' want Sharia Law

BBC NEWS | UK | 'More Muslims radicalised' in UK , etc, etc.

....And these are just the people brash enough to speak their poisoned minds.

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"The film is offensive and is rather like a cartoon kind of YouTube film. It is not real." - Holohoax, holohoax!