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Will the [UK] ever have a black Prime Minister?

Max go and sort Africa out will ya, nay chance m8 dream land again,all they want to do is murder people and always will be,and y do we give them $

no no no,lets take care of our selves,as u no charity begins at home,y not.

mikeey
 
Metal u can have the EU,stick them in the sewers,the USA and the Scotland we

should have nothing to do with that shi-te for ever,all we need is this,



Australia New Zelanand Canada english speaking people thats the way to go,

because we have the the biggest fuc-ing gun,thats it.

sorry m8 problems solved.

mikeey
 
MetalGear said:
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I love Europe and our Union, Maxie. But an intelligent, rational politician possesses the ability to look at oneself and think "we are no better than them. We need to improve".
This statement proves you are completely incapable of self criticism and that's why we will never move ahead as a Union.
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Sorry MG, I don't understand your point. What did Maxie say that denied the desire to improve. What he said was, "who cares what colour you are if you can do the job". Why does that suggest he was being incapable of self-criticism?

And just to counter Aunt Spiker's point, she is clearly wishing a US presidential system on the UK. God helps us! A Presidential system has some benefits, but many, many more disadvantages. As far as I am concerned, a single human being is a poor basis for an entire polity. A country may be governed by a party (ideally more than one), but to be governed by one person and his appointees is a recipe for dictatorship, even if that dictatorship can be removed after 4 years.
 
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Sorry MG, I don't understand your point. What did Maxie say that denied the desire to improve. What he said was, "who cares what colour you are if you can do the job". Why does that suggest he was being incapable of self-criticism?
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Read the bold part.
Maybe i interpreted it wrongly, but to me it has "racism is still a problem in the US" all over it as if its not in Europe.
 
MetalGear said:
Read the bold part.
Maybe i interpreted it wrongly, but to me it has "racism is still a problem in the US" all over it as if its not in Europe.
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He was taking a jab at the previous poster who he (rightly or wrongly) thought was suggesting that the US system was superior in its racial awareness to the European or UK system.

He may have been wrong to imply that racism is no longer an issue in Europe (I'm not sure he did), but his statement that it is really not relevant what colour a president/prime minister might be is quite right, no?
 
Andalublue said:
He was taking a jab at the previous poster who he (rightly or wrongly) thought was suggesting that the US system was superior in its racial awareness to the European or UK system.
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He wasn't suggesting that at all, though Max's reply seems to suggest Europe would be the superior one who has moved beyond racism. Thats the tone i picked up anyway.

... but his statement that it is really not relevant what colour a president/prime minister might be is quite right, no?
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I dont believe i disputed that fact.
 
MetalGear said:
He wasn't suggesting that at all, though Max's reply seems to suggest Europe would be the superior one who has moved beyond racism. Thats the tone i picked up anyway.



I dont believe i disputed that fact.
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Okay, you took against the tone of European superiority. Fair enough. Europe certainly has no right to feel superior in relation to racial equality. I suspect he wasn't really suggesting that... but maybe he was. Point taken.
 
Andalublue said:
Okay, you took against the tone of European superiority. Fair enough. Europe certainly has no right to feel superior in relation to racial equality. I suspect he wasn't really suggesting that... but maybe he was. Point taken.
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I could be wrong though i doubt it. Its hard to pick up on a users tone and intent in written form. I apologize if i am wrong. :mrgreen:
 
MetalGear said:
I could be wrong though i doubt it. Its hard to pick up on a users tone and intent in written form. I apologize if i am wrong. :mrgreen:
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No need for apologies. I can see how the tone felt wrong. However, going by his previous posts on other threads, I think MaxZe is one of the good guys, if perhaps a little Euro-centric. It's quite difficult not to be on DP though, isn't it? Sometimes I feel as if it's open season on Europe in almost every thread.
 
Andalublue said:
No need for apologies. I can see how the tone felt wrong. However, going by his previous posts on other threads, I think MaxZe is one of the good guys, if perhaps a little Euro-centric. It's quite difficult not to be on DP though, isn't it? Sometimes I feel as if it's open season on Europe in almost every thread.
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Its going through an extensive political change, its almost revolutionary but silent revolutionary, the type of revolution which doesnt manifest until decades down the line....we are doing something in Europe previously undone, everybody is excited. :)
 
The answer is yes, we already have one Gordon Brown.
 
I cant see anyone currently who is likely.However come on why this obsession with race? when Obama was elected i found it somewhat embarassing that people who knew nothing about politics thought it was such a great thing.
 
If we did have a black PM, the howler-monkey noise from the Left would be overwhelming. 'Ooo, victory against racism and a blow for tolerance', etc. As in the US with Carter, a party could play the race card whenever criticism of the leadership gets too hot. But what of the policies?

When Margaret Thatcher came to power, people we now call PC choked on their breakfast lentils. She wasn't supposed to be a Tory! All that shouting and pushing people about in the name of womens' rights wasted! The first woman PM was supposed to be one of THEM, crusading against the evil forces of chauvanist maledom. I heard that argument a few times.

I look forward to the first black PM, not that we need one for colour, being a Tory. A sound one as well (not one like Sayeeda Warsi who puts herself out as heavy and morally conservative to her fellow Muslims but all trendy and progressive to the rest of us). He/she could go to the Proms and please Margaret Hodge. And it would really annoy the likes of Peter Tatchell to have a God-fearing, morally upright black person in charge, incensed as he is already at the 'racist' rules of Royal lineage not being able to give us a black monarch any time soon!

(And anyway, perhaps the question should be Should We Have A Black European Union President?! There are too many white people up there too you know!)
 
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MetalGear said:
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I love Europe and our Union, Maxie. But an intelligent, rational politician possesses the ability to look at oneself and think "we are no better than them. We need to improve".
This statement proves you are completely incapable of self criticism and that's why we will never move ahead as a Union.
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No..

IN Europe we care about good policies. We dont give a sh** about the personality, nor the colour of the face of the uncorrupt or corrupt suit.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
No..

IN Europe we care about good policies. We dont give a sh** about the personality, nor the colour of the face of the uncorrupt or corrupt suit.
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I really wish that were true. Personality counts for far more in Europe than I think is healthy. Sarkozy? Berlusconi? Blair? Style over substance all three of them. Why is Brown struggling so much when his policies are almost identical to his predecessor? He has no charisma, he's not sexy. Same goes for Zapatero, Balkenende and Cowans.
 
Andalublue said:
Sorry MG, I don't understand your point. What did Maxie say that denied the desire to improve. What he said was, "who cares what colour you are if you can do the job". Why does that suggest he was being incapable of self-criticism?
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Exactly. Some people draw absurd conclusions from something that isnt intended to even hint at such an opinion.

Thank you for replying what I would have otherwise.

Andalublue said:
And just to counter Aunt Spiker's point, she is clearly wishing a US presidential system on the UK. God helps us! A Presidential system has some benefits, but many, many more disadvantages. As far as I am concerned, a single human being is a poor basis for an entire polity. A country may be governed by a party (ideally more than one), but to be governed by one person and his appointees is a recipe for dictatorship, even if that dictatorship can be removed after 4 years.
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And thank you for this as well. I completely disagree that 1 person in power is the wrong way to go.
That is one of the reasons I like the multipower system that the European Union is creating, and why I hated the creation of the EU president post.

Happily the rotating presidency is continuing, which I really like because it brings in fresh ideas every 6 months, and rotating perspectives of 27 different nations with different ideas.
I hope with all my mind this will never go away, and that the EU president forever will just be a "meeting director" between the member states,nothing more.
 
MetalGear said:
He wasn't suggesting that at all, though Max's reply seems to suggest Europe would be the superior one who has moved beyond racism. Thats the tone i picked up anyway.
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Nah...I am just saying that Americans really strongly shouts when their president is black, and that they notice that too much and too often.
 
Andalublue said:
I really wish that were true. Personality counts for far more in Europe than I think is healthy. Sarkozy? Berlusconi? Blair? Style over substance all three of them. Why is Brown struggling so much when his policies are almost identical to his predecessor? He has no charisma, he's not sexy. Same goes for Zapatero, Balkenende and Cowans.
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Unfortunately idolism is taking root in Europe also, and the media is certainly not helping in preventing that.
I dont believe Europeans are anywhere near the American level of idolizing politicians and the whole mix between public servant/celebrity.

In some countries it is worse. Norway for example is quite bad concerning these things, mostly because its small and intimate probably.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Nah...I am just saying that Americans really strongly shouts when their president is black, and that they notice that too much and too often.
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Who was the last European country with a black Prime Minister?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
No..

IN Europe we care about good policies. We dont give a sh** about the personality, nor the colour of the face of the uncorrupt or corrupt suit.
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Thats you. You do not talk for all of Europe and if you think you are, your a very dim person.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
If we did have a black PM, the howler-monkey noise from the Left would be overwhelming. 'Ooo, victory against racism and a blow for tolerance', etc. As in the US with Carter, a party could play the race card whenever criticism of the leadership gets too hot. But what of the policies?

When Margaret Thatcher came to power, people we now call PC choked on their breakfast lentils. She wasn't supposed to be a Tory! All that shouting and pushing people about in the name of womens' rights wasted! The first woman PM was supposed to be one of THEM, crusading against the evil forces of chauvanist maledom. I heard that argument a few times.

I look forward to the first black PM, not that we need one for colour, being a Tory. A sound one as well (not one like Sayeeda Warsi who puts herself out as heavy and morally conservative to her fellow Muslims but all trendy and progressive to the rest of us). He/she could go to the Proms and please Margaret Hodge. And it would really annoy the likes of Peter Tatchell to have a God-fearing, morally upright black person in charge, incensed as he is already at the 'racist' rules of Royal lineage not being able to give us a black monarch any time soon!

(And anyway, perhaps the question should be Should We Have A Black European Union President?! There are too many white people up there too you know!)
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Yes i would tend to agree even though i dont think we agree politically.liberals do have a tendency to for example believe in freedom of speech unless someone say something the disagree with.

For example the same people who would have hailed thatcher as evil would be campaining to shut the pits now because of global warming.
 
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