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    Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]



    SHEFFIELD, England — The downtown streets with their Georgian row houses and Victorian clock towers have names that have long been thought of as typically British — Queen, Wellington, Duke, Bank, Castle.

    The shops and storefronts nestled among them have names that are fast becoming typically British — Marcia's Caribbean Takeaway, Imran's Southern Fried Chicken, the Kebab House, the Somalian and Mediterranean Food Hall.

    But the 40,000 nonwhite residents of this city of 530,000 in the heart of Britain, many of them born and raised here and speaking in the distinctive broad vowels of a Yorkshire accent, identify themselves as anything but British. They do not even say Afro-British; it's Afro-Caribbean — not Asian-British, simply Asian.

    This self-definition strikes a nerve in Britain, where the government has made taking on a common sense of British nationhood by the immigrant population a critical measure of progress in its push for racial integration and assimilation.

    Experience in cities like Sheffield proves that it is one thing to transform churches into mosques, tea rooms into curry houses and old depots and cutlery workshops into ethnic community centers and something else again to turn people who feel foreign into self-proclaiming Britons.

    "The only times I call myself British are when I go to get a passport and when someone asks me where my accent comes from," said Jenni I'Anson, 33, a mental health aide of Jamaican parentage who was born in Sheffield. "Otherwise I would never class myself as British. There is no sense of belonging here. I would only say that I am African-Caribbean."

    Her nephew, Theo Hamilton, 15, a third-generation Sheffielder, said, "British to me means white, and I don't get treated like a white person, so I don't think of myself as British."

    European countries are experiencing profound changes in their population mixes, and Britain's reputation as one of the region's more stable multiethnic societies was shaken during the summer by a series of riots in cities with substantial immigrant populations.

    In the aftermath of Sept. 11, the country also found that it had been a breeding ground for young Islamic radicals linked to terror groups and committed to holy war against the West.

    According to the Office of National Statistics, Britain is 7.1 percent nonwhite, with 2.2 percent of the population categorized as black, 3.4 percent from the Asian subcontinent and 1.5 percent Chinese and "other groups."

    Of the 82,000 people granted British citizenship in 2000, 27 percent were from Asia, 35 percent from Africa and the Caribbean and 8 percent from the Middle East.
    A government report on the summer outbreaks concluded that whites and ethnic minorities in Britain were leading separate lives with no social or cultural contact and no sense of shared nationality. It urged immigrants to become active British citizens.

    Uttering a lament common to minority workers in immigrant societies, Raja Shaffique, 44, a Pakistani-born housing officer, said, "We have to be twice as good as our white colleagues to get the same job."

    While Sheffield, like other British cities, has largely segregated residential patterns, that form of separation upsets minority residents less than the blockage in workplace advancement. For many of them integration appears to be less of a goal than it is for the government.

    "Even after 40 years here, I like to see a black face close by," said Mr. Gosling of his Afro-Caribbean neighborhood. "It's a kind of comfort. But I have to add that if society had shown us years ago that it wanted us, it wouldn't have driven us into this kind of protectiveness."

    Ms. I'Anson said young people were even less interested in integration. "The young generation is more segregated than we were," she said. "They're more aware of the issues." She said she recently gathered a group of black youths to try to interest them in a job that had come up. "Do you know what the first question always was?" she asked. " `Is the boss black or white?' "

    Her nephew Theo said the only white people he ever encountered were police officers who regularly stopped him on the street. "I don't know any white kids, but I try to mingle with them so I won't get picked up so much," he added.

    Isadora Aiken, 50, a Jamaican-born business manager who came here in 1967, said: "People are simply not integrating. I go out onto the High Street and into the downtown department stores, and black people are not visible there at all."

    Mr. Shaif protested the imperative the government was putting on integration. He said a teenager he had a conversation with days earlier explained the quandary of being Asian and British at the same time. "By day I'm English," she said. "But at night I'm Yemeni."

    Angela Baugh, a 39-year-old filmmaker of Jamaican background, and her two children were born here. "I am second generation and the mother of the third, and none of us say we're British."

    She said she was reminded of her outsider status every time she came back to Britain from abroad and went through customs. "When I go into the European Community line, I'm stopped and quizzed and made to feel like I'm either an asylum seeker or a refugee," she said. "So how am I expected to ever feel British.?"
    Britain's Nonwhites Feel Un-British, Report Says
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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    ****** I guess I could look it up - but what was the name of that longtime British MP who from the 50's advocated a total cessation in Immigration to the UK (??)

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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    As an American this s-hit may come as a suprise to you.
    Here in Europe natives rule the countries....in America, since even the damn majority isnt ethnically native to America, there is a sense of national unity and pride and i admire that about America the most.
    Out here, doesnt matter how many generations you have lived in the UK...if your not ethnically English, you never will be English. Your a mere "import".
    Sad i know, but true.

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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    **** While We are a Nation of Immigrants - I and still a Majority of others ARE Native to this Land. We are americans and the Melting pot for a century or more basically worked. Since the mid 60's when we changed the ethnic ratios on new arrivals we insured that assimilation would no longer be a priority. It was a massive mistake.

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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinc Route View Post
    **** While We are a Nation of Immigrants - I and still a Majority of others ARE Native to this Land. We are americans and the Melting pot for a century or more basically worked. Since the mid 60's when we changed the ethnic ratios on new arrivals we insured that assimilation would no longer be a priority. It was a massive mistake.
    Now thats the American spirit im talking about.

    You dont find that in Europe, its not allowed by society and you wont ever see or hear an Englishman or an Indian call himself or be referred to as an Englishman.

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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    ****** Just remembered - it was Enoch Powell - a Man ahead of his time.

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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    It's just human nature. If your ancestry and its culture derives from abroad, then you'll have this mystical tie to it. Even in America this occurs, with Italian or German-derived people wanting to keep some link going and being naturally indulgent of their heritage.

    I suppose this is complicated further in England by the fact that being white or English isn't really celebrated. St. George's Day isn't trumpeted as St. Patrick's Day may be, there are no English heritage lobby groups, as well as new television programmes now teaching us more about English heritage than an entire childhood at school. Recent polls tell us that 29% of kids don't know who Churchill was and more adults now recognise or admire slappers like Katie Price more than anybody in politics.

    I go sofar as to say that Whites in Britain wouldn't really feel British either (especially nutcase radicals), except when the football's on.
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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Out here, doesnt matter how many generations you have lived in the UK...if your not ethnically English, you never will be English. Your a mere "import".
    Sad i know, but true.
    So you're suggesting people like Jack Straw are considered a 'mere import'. I am forever finding out that famous people I did not know about are relatively recent arrivals. It makes them no less citizens of this country.

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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    As of this morning it appears that no one is feeling British.
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    Re: Non-Whites in Britain do not feel British [poll]

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    So you're suggesting people like Jack Straw are considered a 'mere import'. I am forever finding out that famous people I did not know about are relatively recent arrivals. It makes them no less citizens of this country.
    & if Jack straw wasnt white?

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