Thread: Jack Straw won't risk Muslim Wrath II

Perhaps still vividly recalling the mauling he received when he last hit the headlines for talking about the burka, Jack Straw toes the line this time around:

Jack Straw: No ban on burkas in Britain - UPI.com

And who says people in Labour are incapable of learning? After Home Secretary John Reid's 'disciplinary' when calling for Muslim families to be vigilant against extremists in their own families, amongst other tellings-off for people in NuLab, it's probably best for government ministers not to dabble in things which they think should concern them.

If the wearers want to look like burks (hence the garment's name), it's up to them:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD4EueFj2jg"]YouTube- Muslims - So.. This is how they eat?[/ame]


...Though I don't know why they'd want to, other than by feeling compelled to by religion or their husbands, seeing as the burka would be so constricting:

LIZ JONES: My week wearing a burka... Just a few yards of black fabric, but it felt like a prison | Mail Online

Poor Straw.
Poor Teabags.
Being utterly Buffaloed by 2% of the population.
And they're getting more bold with each fold.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyn0ongj0F8"]YouTube- Jack Straw,muslims And Blackburn[/ame]

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

Perhaps still vividly recalling the mauling he received when he last hit the headlines for talking about the burka, Jack Straw toes the line this time around:

Jack Straw: No ban on burkas in Britain - UPI.com

And who says people in Labour are incapable of learning? After Home Secretary John Reid's 'disciplinary' when calling for Muslim families to be vigilant against extremists in their own families, amongst other tellings-off for people in NuLab, it's probably best for government ministers not to dabble in things which they think should concern them.

If the wearers want to look like burks (hence the garment's name), it's up to them:

YouTube- Muslims - So.. This is how they eat?


...Though I don't know why they'd want to, other than by feeling compelled to by religion or their husbands, seeing as the burka would be so constricting:

LIZ JONES: My week wearing a burka... Just a few yards of black fabric, but it felt like a prison | Mail Online

Jack Straw said that he would like women to remove their veils when they came to talk to him. He gave his reasons. This was a perfectly legitimate request stating his opinion.

There is an immense difference between saying this and banning the burka. One is stating your preference, the other is power over another to make their choices and making intrusive demands on a particular religion. It has been done before. We need not to forget but to learn from the past.

‘As I was once strolling through the inner city, I suddenly happened upon an apparition in a long caftan with black hair locks. Is this a Jew? was my first thought ... but the longer I stared ... the more my first question was transformed into a new conception: is this a German?”

That is the passage from Mein Kampf in which Adolf Hitler describes how, walking as a student through the less salubrious streets of Vienna, he had suddenly understood the true threat that the Jews presented to the Germanic way of life. I hadn’t read those words since I was a student, but somehow they returned to my mind last week, prompted by the UK Independence party’s announcement that it would campaign to “ban the burqa

Banning the burqa is simply not British | Dominic Lawson - Times Online

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

Perhaps still vividly recalling the mauling he received when he last hit the headlines for talking about the burka, Jack Straw toes the line this time around:

Jack Straw: No ban on burkas in Britain - UPI.com

And who says people in Labour are incapable of learning? After Home Secretary John Reid's 'disciplinary' when calling for Muslim families to be vigilant against extremists in their own families, amongst other tellings-off for people in NuLab, it's probably best for government ministers not to dabble in things which they think should concern them.

If the wearers want to look like burks (hence the garment's name), it's up to them:

YouTube- Muslims - So.. This is how they eat?


...Though I don't know why they'd want to, other than by feeling compelled to by religion or their husbands, seeing as the burka would be so constricting:

LIZ JONES: My week wearing a burka... Just a few yards of black fabric, but it felt like a prison | Mail Online

And what makes you think that those women aren't wearing that garment by choice?
Is there some genetic reason why women can't be fundementally religious all by themselves?

We Love Islam, So we wear Burqa | Sa

Barefaced delusions of Western Muslim converts lucky enough to choose can see the burka as an inverted liberation. But more traditional Islamic societies can enforce the wearing of the full Darth Vader outfit on pain of sadistic retribution.

Muslim girls robbed of their childhood; forced to wear niqab and hijab

Arab and Muslim worlds' criticism of French niqab ban is hypocritical - Blog Post

Sandt's Observations: Muslim women and burqa - not free to choose



The demented death cult of Islam instituted the covering of women to prevent the menfolk from becoming uncontrollably horny:

Niqaab in the light of Quran Niqaab in the light of Hadith



After all, the purveyors of modesty know how to treat their women. With dignity:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHyN_nhIk4A"]YouTube- Prophet Muhammad says "Kill Your Daughters"![/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb48sdvSB8I"]YouTube- Muslim Daughter Rejects Marriage, Ends Up Dead[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgXgpngHf60"]YouTube- Iranian Women Abused For Not Following "Islamic Dress Code"[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADJs3lRmot0"]YouTube- Pakistani Muslim man kills his daughter in Canada for showing skin[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjSmX5aLYLA"]YouTube- Muslim girl attempted suicide at 11 because of pedophilia.[/ame]

SUPPLEMENTARY BACKGROUND:

Much high-handed hoo-hah is made about leaving Western Muslims alone to behave exactly as they please. Although this often means ring-fencing Muslims off from the consequences of their own actions and buying off 'community leaders' in an effort to slash the rise of 'militancy', the only real limit to bad behaviour is the planting of bombs. (Although rioting is acceptable collateral damage).



'9/11 bombers are heroes': What Muslim children told Christian teacher 'forced from his job for not tolerating racism' | Mail Online

Bus delayed after Muslim driver pulls over so he can pray in the aisle | Mail Online

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yDhMO47hrw&feature=related"]YouTube- Muslim Takes on Tesco For Not Doing His Job.[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HGzo313j80"]YouTube- Some British Teachers Drop the Holocaust to Appease Muslims[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2-Wun2dIg&feature=related"]YouTube- Welcome to Saudi Britain[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XcSQJSOab8"]YouTube- This is what Muslim children are taught in Britain[/ame]

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque

Undercover Mosque: The Return | Free Politics Videos - Watch Politics Videos Online | Veoh

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgCvJqZL_3s"]YouTube- Labour 4 Sharia! It's EVERYBODY'S country under Labour! (demo)[/ame]

[ame=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6024855239894533729&ei=VPRzS-gVmJD4BoaZ0dsH&q=what+muslims+want]What Muslims Want Dispatches Channel_4_2006-08-07[/ame]



...And to think such fuss is made of the BNP! If most Muslims in Britain are indeed seamlessly integrated as some people claim, then we'd best have a mass-deportation of these other volatile troublemakers before things get even more out of hand...

Anyway, back to the burka....

Other than spamming the board, have you got a reason why you seem in favour of proscribing a dress code for women of a certain faith?
I ask because it seems to me that there is very little difference between those abhorring a burka and those abhorring western dress based on "principals".

If you wish to have them banned for more mundane or logical reasons, I'd go along with that.

Originally Posted by alexa

Jack Straw said that he would like women to remove their veils when they came to talk to him. He gave his reasons. This was a perfectly legitimate request stating his opinion.

Exactly. He merely gave his opinion and still they gave him a kicking. Perhaps that was one of the reasons why the divisive Muslim Council Of Britain was allowed to pontificate to the Labour Cabinet again, after even Tony Blair found them too obnoxious and kept them away.

Labour restores relations with extremist Muslim Council of Britain in time for General Election - LeftWatch

Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey

Other than spamming the board, have you got a reason why you seem in favour of proscribing a dress code for women of a certain faith?
I ask because it seems to me that there is very little difference between those abhorring a burka and those abhorring western dress based on "principals".

Once again I note that dissent is labelled as 'spam'. It's amusing to remember that when I derided some Leftist debating opponent with the same 'tactic' some time back he hit the roof. I appreciate the teasing value though.

Mind, I never encountered attacks on Western dress on the back of complaints from headmasters! I think you mean to use the world principles.
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As at the very least indicated by the above, not all Muslim women, even in the West, are free to choose. They're either scared of annoying their control-freak god or enraging their even more fearsome menfolk or religious institution.

Remember the series of reformations which Christianity either suffers or enjoys? Christians are far more liberated than even 100 years back but Muslims still have their own chains to break. As with many reforms of Christianity, a good few need to be brought from on high, so that ONLY women who want to should wear them. (Though they should indeed be banned outright in places like schools, workplaces and other areas where you need open body language to communicate and not cut yourself off.)

Where the hell is the New Labour nanny state when you truly need it? It's poked its nose in too many times with the Christians, now let's see some backbone on this one...

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

Once again I note that dissent is labelled as 'spam'. It's amusing to remember that when I derided some Leftist debating opponent with the same 'tactic' some time back he hit the roof. I appreciate the teasing value though.

Mind, I never encountered attacks on Western dress on the back of complaints from headmasters! I think you mean to use the world principles.
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As at the very least indicated by the above, not all Muslim women, even in the West, are free to choose. They're either scared of annoying their control-freak god or enraging their even more fearsome menfolk or religious institution.

Remember the series of reformations which Christianity either suffers or enjoys? Christians are far more liberated than even 100 years back but Muslims still have their own chains to break. As with many reforms of Christianity, a good few need to be brought from on high, so that ONLY women who want to should wear them. (Though they should indeed be banned outright in places like schools, workplaces and other areas where you need open body language to communicate and not cut yourself off.)

Where the hell is the New Labour nanny state when you truly need it? It's poked its nose in too many times with the Christians, now let's see some backbone on this one...

I'm referring to repeated postings from Youtube.
I'd rather hear what you have to say. Or at least from sources that are somewhat verifiable.

My point regarding the subject is that one can't prevent an enforced dress code on a minority by defacto enforcing another and especially based on principals.