Thread: Why do we even need the Liberal-Left?

What good do they do? Normal people resent them and scumballs ignore them.

An everyday example is antisocial behaviour. Since I've lived on my estate, still just about clinging onto decency, I've been sworn at, assualted, constantly kept awake by all night noise, been vandalised and had things stolen by yobs and thugs. This is despite my keeping myself to myself and not doing anybody any harm.

The housing association have said in the past that it 'isn't really our policy' to evict nuisance neighbours and only after heavy complaints from many tenants have fingers ever so slightly been pulled out. And at that reluctantly.

Once when assaulted I once visited the magistrates court with a policewoman, who just had to take it when the defendant's verminous friends verbally abused her in the courtroom just for looking at them. The craven magistrates didn't even mention that, let alone notice. We both were resigned to the fact that the perpetrator would get only a slap on the wrist, which is what happened, which justified our defeatism. The thug only received 3 months in jail. Again.

Yobs and thugs know that I would be the one to be punished 'for taking the law into my own hands' if I was to defend myself on my own doorstep, something I'm surprised I've not had to do yet. Labour people reckon that folks like me should just be beaten to a pulp and let the police get on with the job of being ineffectual instead. And when they do make some token effort to toughen up from time to time, other people in the Left howl about the government caving in to feelings of 'mob vengeance'. I've seen it. No wonder more people get beaten up and even killed by emboldened scumbags nowadays.

Why do we need Liberals? Why do we need the Left? They said they would look after us. They said that their Dr. Spock and softer prison regimes would fashion more well rounded youngsters and reform criminals rather than punish them. I feel more and more invalidated when the likes of them tell me that crime is going down and not to worry. I don't want smugness, I want a safe road and genuinely no worries.

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

What good do they do? Normal people resent them and scumballs ignore them.

An everyday example is antisocial behaviour. Since I've lived on my estate, still just about clinging onto decency, I've been sworn at, assualted, constantly kept awake by all night noise, been vandalised and had things stolen by yobs and thugs. This is despite my keeping myself to myself and not doing anybody any harm.

The housing association have said in the past that it 'isn't really our policy' to evict nuisance neighbours and only after heavy complaints from many tenants have fingers ever so slightly been pulled out. And at that reluctantly.

Once when assaulted I once visited the magistrates court with a policewoman, who just had to take it when the defendant's verminous friends verbally abused her in the courtroom just for looking at them. The craven magistrates didn't even mention that, let alone notice. We both were resigned to the fact that the perpetrator would get only a slap on the wrist, which is what happened, which justified our defeatism.

Yobs and thugs know that I would be the one to be punished 'for taking the law into my own hands' if I was to defend myself on my own doorstep, something I'm surprised I've not had to do yet. Labour people reckon that folks like me should just be beaten to a pulp and let the police get on with the job of being ineffectual instead. And when they do make some token effort to toughen up from time to time, other people in the Left howl about the government caving in to feelings of 'mob vengeance'. I've seen it. No wonder more people get beaten up and even killed by emboldened scumbags nowadays.

Why do we need Liberals? Why do we need the Left? They said they would look after us. They said that their Dr. Spock and softer prison regimes would fashion more well rounded youngsters and reform criminals rather than punish them. I feel more and more invalidated when the likes of them tell me that crime is going down and not to worry. I don't want smugness, I want a safe road and genuinely no worries.

Ok, gotta ask...
What's a yob?....
My advise is to give them a good head knockin'...
They deserve it....

A yob is an aggressive, surly youth. A current incarnation is the wannabe-psychotic, bling-obsessed 'chav' variety.

And it's pretty disconcerting to know you won't be backed up by the authorities when harassed, especially if you retaliate. In the eyes of a liberal, that's just descending to the level of the thug. No, a more 'civilised' way of dealing with such problems is to just be asked to fill out 'diary sheets' to log the constant abuse for the council.

Make no mistake, the little people at the bottom of the chain try their hardest to help, as ever they do, it's just the politicians and the Sharon Shoesmiths of the civil service who care more about criminals and their dogma than about the victims.

Do we need liberal ideology - no. But then again, unchecked - conservatives tend to go overboard and the same is goes to the liberals without some constraint by conservatives. Your complaints are from the radical left - the unruly and both left and right radicals use the same tactics. You have to cull the ideology, radicals and retarded from the mix and avoid generalizing all due to the actions of a few. Liberals --- even hard left liberals really aren't that bad as people. Given the view of the radicals of their own ideology, most would fight against them. I just keep telling myself we both want the same things, but just have different ideas on getting there.

I know this topic is more a rant than anything, but it still conveys my frustration and hopelessness. You can't turn to anyone because they usually can't help or they won't.

I targeted Liberal-Leftists in general because such people and their views constitute the dominant force in modern politics and civil administration. We've had New Labour in national government for 12 years, up until 3 or so years ago we had a very heavy domination of Labour and Liberal in the local councils. What we call political correctness has purvaded the civil service too and as such is the driving mindset behind the status quo.

As I say, I'm not talking about ordinary people who happen to be liberal, more the out of touch apparachiks and aloof politicians who think that just because a sink-estate criminal is 'vulnerable' in their minds then that's what they are.

I know that I can debate with 'normal' people of a liberal bent whilst it feels like you're wading through treacle trying to get a word in edgeways against a 'professional' liberal. That's why I have no pity for the likes of Sharon Shoesmith and her pals at Haringey Council. You feel invalidated trying to talk to liberals in authority because they dismiss your concerns as they don't fit the agenda.

The only real similarity I see between both types of liberal are that both, to me, represent each of Laurel and Hardy. They want to help by doing the washing up but end up wrecking the kitchen. How else can anyone explain that victim support groups tend to gross less from the tax pot than rehab' schemes for crooks?

I don't think the professional liberal really wants what the ordinary liberal wants. The professional liberal seems to focussed on its own wants and high-handed ethos to be truly in touch with the lowlies who they condescend to manage.

An atomized public - disconnected from its past, the importance of its institutions and traditions is a key desire for the leftist to aggrandize the power he seeks. Much of the West has embraced the Marcusian "if it feels good, do it" values system & with it has come a devaluation of civility, self-worth and the "higher calling." All three are essential to a functional civil society.

This matters not to the leftist, because the more poorly informed or destitute a person is, the more likely that person is to blame others for their problems (the rich, the corporations, in some cases the hegemonic race, in some cases gender). These people will fall for election year promises made by those who seek to expand voter constituency and Government control at the same time, all in the name of "being for the little guy."

I think you referred to them as "professional liberals."

Originally Posted by The silenced majority

An atomized public - disconnected from its past...

Indeed. Left-Liberals are more obsessed with 'bashing the fash' than with representing the ordinary disposessed and our identity.

For example, the liberal will scream to high heaven in sellf-righteous indignation about the BNP trying to make something out of Churchill's legacy, but Sir Winston hardly features on the school history syllabus. They see as little real value in him as they claim Nick Griffin does.

If it wasn't for Churchill's leadership in the war against Hitler, the noisy Left wouldn't give him any creedence at all. Same as always in fact, even during the war itself.

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

Indeed. Left-Liberals are more obsessed with 'bashing the fash' than with representing the ordinary disposessed and our identity.

For example, the liberal will scream to high heaven in sellf-righteous indignation about the BNP trying to make something out of Churchill's legacy, but Sir Winston hardly features on the school history syllabus. They see as little real value in him as they claim Nick Griffin does.

If it wasn't for Churchill's leadership in the war against Hitler, the noisy Left wouldn't give him any creedence at all. Same as always in fact, even during the war itself.

That's a shame, Winston Churchill was one of the greatest, if not the greatest statesman & individuals of the 20th century...

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

I know this topic is more a rant than anything, but it still conveys my frustration and hopelessness. You can't turn to anyone because they usually can't help or they won't.

Hey man, I feel for you. Your political structure has pretty much managed to make you lose your sense of power and worth at the individual level. Our powers-that-be are trying hard to do the same thing here. We still have a fair number of independent dissident-minded people who will try to prevent it from happening, and for now, we still have the right to defend ourselves. God help us all if that changes. You're always welcome in Texas if it gets too bad.

.....Notice the eerie silence around about now, caused by the unique absence of comments by the liberals and Lefties on this forum.

I hope they're having a nice think about what their ideology can lead to in the wrong hands, by people who know how to implement it institutionally.