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Why do we even need the Liberal-Left?

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What good do they do? Normal people resent them and scumballs ignore them.

An everyday example is antisocial behaviour. Since I've lived on my estate, still just about clinging onto decency, I've been sworn at, assualted, constantly kept awake by all night noise, been vandalised and had things stolen by yobs and thugs. This is despite my keeping myself to myself and not doing anybody any harm.

The housing association have said in the past that it 'isn't really our policy' to evict nuisance neighbours and only after heavy complaints from many tenants have fingers ever so slightly been pulled out. And at that reluctantly.

Once when assaulted I once visited the magistrates court with a policewoman, who just had to take it when the defendant's verminous friends verbally abused her in the courtroom just for looking at them. The craven magistrates didn't even mention that, let alone notice. We both were resigned to the fact that the perpetrator would get only a slap on the wrist, which is what happened, which justified our defeatism. The thug only received 3 months in jail. Again.

Yobs and thugs know that I would be the one to be punished 'for taking the law into my own hands' if I was to defend myself on my own doorstep, something I'm surprised I've not had to do yet. Labour people reckon that folks like me should just be beaten to a pulp and let the police get on with the job of being ineffectual instead. And when they do make some token effort to toughen up from time to time, other people in the Left howl about the government caving in to feelings of 'mob vengeance'. I've seen it. No wonder more people get beaten up and even killed by emboldened scumbags nowadays.

Why do we need Liberals? Why do we need the Left? They said they would look after us. They said that their Dr. Spock and softer prison regimes would fashion more well rounded youngsters and reform criminals rather than punish them. I feel more and more invalidated when the likes of them tell me that crime is going down and not to worry. I don't want smugness, I want a safe road and genuinely no worries.
 
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What good do they do? Normal people resent them and scumballs ignore them.

An everyday example is antisocial behaviour. Since I've lived on my estate, still just about clinging onto decency, I've been sworn at, assualted, constantly kept awake by all night noise, been vandalised and had things stolen by yobs and thugs. This is despite my keeping myself to myself and not doing anybody any harm.

The housing association have said in the past that it 'isn't really our policy' to evict nuisance neighbours and only after heavy complaints from many tenants have fingers ever so slightly been pulled out. And at that reluctantly.

Once when assaulted I once visited the magistrates court with a policewoman, who just had to take it when the defendant's verminous friends verbally abused her in the courtroom just for looking at them. The craven magistrates didn't even mention that, let alone notice. We both were resigned to the fact that the perpetrator would get only a slap on the wrist, which is what happened, which justified our defeatism.

Yobs and thugs know that I would be the one to be punished 'for taking the law into my own hands' if I was to defend myself on my own doorstep, something I'm surprised I've not had to do yet. Labour people reckon that folks like me should just be beaten to a pulp and let the police get on with the job of being ineffectual instead. And when they do make some token effort to toughen up from time to time, other people in the Left howl about the government caving in to feelings of 'mob vengeance'. I've seen it. No wonder more people get beaten up and even killed by emboldened scumbags nowadays.

Why do we need Liberals? Why do we need the Left? They said they would look after us. They said that their Dr. Spock and softer prison regimes would fashion more well rounded youngsters and reform criminals rather than punish them. I feel more and more invalidated when the likes of them tell me that crime is going down and not to worry. I don't want smugness, I want a safe road and genuinely no worries.
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Ok, gotta ask...
What's a yob?....:confused:
My advise is to give them a good head knockin'...
They deserve it....:)
 
A yob is an aggressive, surly youth. A current incarnation is the wannabe-psychotic, bling-obsessed 'chav' variety.

And it's pretty disconcerting to know you won't be backed up by the authorities when harassed, especially if you retaliate. In the eyes of a liberal, that's just descending to the level of the thug. No, a more 'civilised' way of dealing with such problems is to just be asked to fill out 'diary sheets' to log the constant abuse for the council.

Make no mistake, the little people at the bottom of the chain try their hardest to help, as ever they do, it's just the politicians and the Sharon Shoesmiths of the civil service who care more about criminals and their dogma than about the victims.
 
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Do we need liberal ideology - no. But then again, unchecked - conservatives tend to go overboard and the same is goes to the liberals without some constraint by conservatives. Your complaints are from the radical left - the unruly and both left and right radicals use the same tactics. You have to cull the ideology, radicals and retarded from the mix and avoid generalizing all due to the actions of a few. Liberals --- even hard left liberals really aren't that bad as people. Given the view of the radicals of their own ideology, most would fight against them. I just keep telling myself we both want the same things, but just have different ideas on getting there.
 
I know this topic is more a rant than anything, but it still conveys my frustration and hopelessness. You can't turn to anyone because they usually can't help or they won't.

I targeted Liberal-Leftists in general because such people and their views constitute the dominant force in modern politics and civil administration. We've had New Labour in national government for 12 years, up until 3 or so years ago we had a very heavy domination of Labour and Liberal in the local councils. What we call political correctness has purvaded the civil service too and as such is the driving mindset behind the status quo.

As I say, I'm not talking about ordinary people who happen to be liberal, more the out of touch apparachiks and aloof politicians who think that just because a sink-estate criminal is 'vulnerable' in their minds then that's what they are.

I know that I can debate with 'normal' people of a liberal bent whilst it feels like you're wading through treacle trying to get a word in edgeways against a 'professional' liberal. That's why I have no pity for the likes of Sharon Shoesmith and her pals at Haringey Council. You feel invalidated trying to talk to liberals in authority because they dismiss your concerns as they don't fit the agenda.

The only real similarity I see between both types of liberal are that both, to me, represent each of Laurel and Hardy. They want to help by doing the washing up but end up wrecking the kitchen. How else can anyone explain that victim support groups tend to gross less from the tax pot than rehab' schemes for crooks?

I don't think the professional liberal really wants what the ordinary liberal wants. The professional liberal seems to focussed on its own wants and high-handed ethos to be truly in touch with the lowlies who they condescend to manage.
 
An atomized public - disconnected from its past, the importance of its institutions and traditions is a key desire for the leftist to aggrandize the power he seeks. Much of the West has embraced the Marcusian "if it feels good, do it" values system & with it has come a devaluation of civility, self-worth and the "higher calling." All three are essential to a functional civil society.

This matters not to the leftist, because the more poorly informed or destitute a person is, the more likely that person is to blame others for their problems (the rich, the corporations, in some cases the hegemonic race, in some cases gender). These people will fall for election year promises made by those who seek to expand voter constituency and Government control at the same time, all in the name of "being for the little guy."

I think you referred to them as "professional liberals."
 
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An atomized public - disconnected from its past...
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Indeed. Left-Liberals are more obsessed with 'bashing the fash' than with representing the ordinary disposessed and our identity.

For example, the liberal will scream to high heaven in sellf-righteous indignation about the BNP trying to make something out of Churchill's legacy, but Sir Winston hardly features on the school history syllabus. They see as little real value in him as they claim Nick Griffin does.

If it wasn't for Churchill's leadership in the war against Hitler, the noisy Left wouldn't give him any creedence at all. Same as always in fact, even during the war itself.
 
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Indeed. Left-Liberals are more obsessed with 'bashing the fash' than with representing the ordinary disposessed and our identity.

For example, the liberal will scream to high heaven in sellf-righteous indignation about the BNP trying to make something out of Churchill's legacy, but Sir Winston hardly features on the school history syllabus. They see as little real value in him as they claim Nick Griffin does.

If it wasn't for Churchill's leadership in the war against Hitler, the noisy Left wouldn't give him any creedence at all. Same as always in fact, even during the war itself.
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That's a shame, Winston Churchill was one of the greatest, if not the greatest statesman & individuals of the 20th century...;)
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I know this topic is more a rant than anything, but it still conveys my frustration and hopelessness. You can't turn to anyone because they usually can't help or they won't.
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Hey man, I feel for you. Your political structure has pretty much managed to make you lose your sense of power and worth at the individual level. Our powers-that-be are trying hard to do the same thing here. We still have a fair number of independent dissident-minded people who will try to prevent it from happening, and for now, we still have the right to defend ourselves. God help us all if that changes. You're always welcome in Texas if it gets too bad.:)
 
.....Notice the eerie silence around about now, caused by the unique absence of comments by the liberals and Lefties on this forum.

I hope they're having a nice think about what their ideology can lead to in the wrong hands, by people who know how to implement it institutionally.
 
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.....Notice the eerie silence around about now, caused by the unique absence of comments by the liberals and Lefties on this forum.

I hope they're having a nice think about what their ideology can lead to in the wrong hands, by people who know how to implement it institutionally.
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Maybe it's because it's sorta hard to convince someone that it's better that you do exist, then that you don't exist (the OP already has made up his mind).
 
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Now that's cold.
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I'm not making a judgment.

MAYBE liberals don't actually exist. IT would be pretty absurd to have half of my mind not actually be present, though most on the forum seem to think circa 60% of the bugger is vacant lot.
 
I thought you were saying that it was hard to justify my existence!

They certainly do exist. I've known and exchanged views with more than a few people who consider themselves liberal.

Seems a bit easy, though, to be asked to consider that there may actually be no such things as liberals when the going gets bad. That's like excusing them so soon after they nailed their colours to the mast before.
 
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I thought you were saying that it was hard to justify my existence!

They certainly do exist. I've known and exchanged views with more than a few poeople who consider themselves liberal.

Seems a bit easy, though, to be asked to consider that there may actually be no such things as liberals when the going gets bad. That's like excusing them so soon after they nailed their colours to the mast before.
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FRIEND,

You're in the wrong place if you are looking for liberals. IT's great liberal hunting in the North Carolina mountains.
 
Oh I don't know. I've found some on here over the years and it was quite nice talking to them because they're just the little people like me.
 
This liberal thinks you need some rottweilers on your estate. Take some responsibility and protect your own. Don't expect the government to do it for you.
 
That's just it. In this country you get arrested or at least harassed by the police for 'confrontation' or 'retaliation'.

It's no joke. Clout a yobbo in retaliation and either he brings all his mates to kick your head in, for which they receive suspended sentences because the jails are full, or the full weight of the law suddenly swings into action against you for a change.

Even supposedly tranquil, suburban areas near the country where I live are morphing into 'mean streets'. And what about the old? What about people who struggle to move or get by? They cop it worse, receiving only 'counselling', or 'mediation meetings' with their tormentors usually. (I did.)
 
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That's just it. In this country you get arrested or at least harassed by the police for 'confrontation' or 'retaliation'.

It's no joke. Clout a yobbo in retaliation and either he brings all his mates to kick your head in, for which they receive suspended sentences because the jails are full, or the full weight of the law suddenly swings into action against you for a change.

Even supposedly tranquil, suburban areas near the country where I live are morphing into 'mean streets'. And what about the old? What about people who struggle to move or get by? They cop it worse, receiving only 'counselling', or 'mediation meetings' with their tormentors usually. (I did.)
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They won't let you have rottweilers?
 
Not down my road, no. The organisation which acts as my landlord doesn't like that sort of thing, though they turn blind eyes to little dogs.

It's hard to believe for the likes of Americans that vulnerable people are supposed to just sit and take it but that's quite true. All you're allowed or supposed to do is complain and let the 'relevant' people handle the matter. As I discovered myself a few years back, even schoolboys can be punished for standing up to bullies in these modern times.

Official police advice is to just stand and shout for help whilst being the victim of such atrocity or other. Most frontline cops are themselves in despair because they can't just catch criminals and look after the public with zero fuss, as in the old days.
 
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What good do they do? Normal people resent them and scumballs ignore them.

An everyday example is antisocial behaviour. Since I've lived on my estate, still just about clinging onto decency, I've been sworn at, assualted, constantly kept awake by all night noise, been vandalised and had things stolen by yobs and thugs. This is despite my keeping myself to myself and not doing anybody any harm.

The housing association have said in the past that it 'isn't really our policy' to evict nuisance neighbours and only after heavy complaints from many tenants have fingers ever so slightly been pulled out. And at that reluctantly.

Once when assaulted I once visited the magistrates court with a policewoman, who just had to take it when the defendant's verminous friends verbally abused her in the courtroom just for looking at them. The craven magistrates didn't even mention that, let alone notice. We both were resigned to the fact that the perpetrator would get only a slap on the wrist, which is what happened, which justified our defeatism. The thug only received 3 months in jail. Again.

Yobs and thugs know that I would be the one to be punished 'for taking the law into my own hands' if I was to defend myself on my own doorstep, something I'm surprised I've not had to do yet. Labour people reckon that folks like me should just be beaten to a pulp and let the police get on with the job of being ineffectual instead. And when they do make some token effort to toughen up from time to time, other people in the Left howl about the government caving in to feelings of 'mob vengeance'. I've seen it. No wonder more people get beaten up and even killed by emboldened scumbags nowadays.

Why do we need Liberals? Why do we need the Left? They said they would look after us. They said that their Dr. Spock and softer prison regimes would fashion more well rounded youngsters and reform criminals rather than punish them. I feel more and more invalidated when the likes of them tell me that crime is going down and not to worry. I don't want smugness, I want a safe road and genuinely no worries.
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that has nothing to do with liberalism

it's rather an education problem if you're assaulted by youths, and the justice should probably be more severe.
 
Funny how the inevitable consequences of the softening of the system 'has nothing to do with liberals'. Not now that the wheels have fallen off.

There's little proper discipline and no real education, so much so that teachers are regularly assaulted and harassed by kids. Learning a trade is out of date now that we have things like Social Studies and punishing felons properly is apparently demeaning. All this is in a liberal mindset.

I think back to the German generals after 1945, who suddenly realised that they didn't like Hitler after all and who said they only did his bidding because they were in some kind of bondage to him. The fact that their country had been invaded by the world's major powers, and that they were faced with the prospect of answering for crimes that they once advocated, never came into it of course!

Tony Blair once boasted of a Liberal-Left consensus in Britain. People in Labour are less keen to trumpet their credentials now.
 
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What good do they do? Normal people resent them and scumballs ignore them.
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52% of OUR country voted for the very liberal Barack Obama. By using your logic, over half of America is apparently not "Normal". I don't quite understand the "Scumballs" reference. I take it english isn't your first language.

An everyday example is antisocial behaviour.
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Like what?

Since I've lived on my estate, still just about clinging onto decency, I've been sworn at, assualted, constantly kept awake by all night noise, been vandalised and had things stolen by yobs and thugs. This is despite my keeping myself to myself and not doing anybody any harm.
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What is a "Yob"? I'll have to watch out for those...
So all of these people bothering you are Liberals? Man...assault? I thought liberals were ******s? Man, that must be a rough 'hood.

The housing association have said in the past that it 'isn't really our policy' to evict nuisance neighbours and only after heavy complaints from many tenants have fingers ever so slightly been pulled out. And at that reluctantly.
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Are you living in section 8 housing? You should have known you'd have problems.

Once when assaulted I once visited the magistrates court with a policewoman, who just had to take it when the defendant's verminous friends verbally abused her in the courtroom just for looking at them. The craven magistrates didn't even mention that, let alone notice. We both were resigned to the fact that the perpetrator would get only a slap on the wrist, which is what happened, which justified our defeatism. The thug only received 3 months in jail. Again.
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What is "craven". So this bad guy was a liberal? Did he have a Che shirt on or something?

Yobs and thugs know that I would be the one to be punished 'for taking the law into my own hands' if I was to defend myself on my own doorstep, something I'm surprised I've not had to do yet. Labour people reckon that folks like me should just be beaten to a pulp and let the police get on with the job of being ineffectual instead. And when they do make some token effort to toughen up from time to time, other people in the Left howl about the government caving in to feelings of 'mob vengeance'. I've seen it. No wonder more people get beaten up and even killed by emboldened scumbags nowadays.
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Those damn Yobs. I think you are trying to make the link between impoverished areas and crime and placing blame on liberals for that? Is that the link?

Why do we need Liberals?
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There was once a time in America when a group of Liberals, known as the Founding Fathers, started acting against authority. I'm pleased with the results.

Why do we need the Left? They said they would look after us. They said that their Dr. Spock and softer prison regimes would fashion more well rounded youngsters and reform criminals rather than punish them. I feel more and more invalidated when the likes of them tell me that crime is going down and not to worry. I don't want smugness, I want a safe road and genuinely no worries.
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Spock was a liberal? Oh man! Our roads would be safe if only liberals would stop driving? And the smugness! It's killing me.

Just a disclaimer, R of P...I go after all silly partisan rants, so don't get your feelings hurt; it's nothing personal.
 
You're too daft to even be laughable. Smarting for being a victim of crime is indeed partisan, and I'm proud of it. I'll apologise for nobody.

For a start, I like in the UK and not the USA. The liberals are in charge of a society in which surly young louts (yobs) have the environment to fester. As I've pointed out, softer punishments handed down the the judicial system and a lack of a reputable police presence on the streets most of the time has partly led to this.

The Founding Fathers are very different to the likes of Tony Blair and his NuLab cronies. You'd have to live here to understand.

Looks like I got it right on the Liberal smugness. Me, I'm just damn angry. Labour have seen swathes of council seats lost to the Tories in elections and even the British National Party have clusters of councillors in a handful of local authorities across Britain. Labour are also expected to lose heavily in next year's general election.

Labour people and other Lefties whine about being 'disengaged' from the Public. We don't want to feel like we're wading through treacle and being told that we're thinking the wrong things all the time. If that's not a signal of how ordinary folk have been ignored by the Liberal-Left then I don't know what is.
 
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That's just it. In this country you get arrested or at least harassed by the police for 'confrontation' or 'retaliation'.

It's no joke. Clout a yobbo in retaliation and either he brings all his mates to kick your head in, for which they receive suspended sentences because the jails are full, or the full weight of the law suddenly swings into action against you for a change.

Even supposedly tranquil, suburban areas near the country where I live are morphing into 'mean streets'. And what about the old? What about people who struggle to move or get by? They cop it worse, receiving only 'counselling', or 'mediation meetings' with their tormentors usually. (I did.)
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Bollocks, I have two judges commendations, and three Chief Constables commendations for citizen arrests.

Where do you live in the UK, and how old are you?
 
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