Thread: Well, only one more penstroke to go before dictatorship...

All that culture, all that political independence, all that sovereignty, all that free will, all will soon be gone: Polish president ratifies EU treaty - , - Latest news & weather forecasts - MSN News UK

Just one more traitorous European president betraying his people before we become a-national serfs.

Eurowankers claim that 'Well that's Democracy, Public. The elected politicians signed our national death warrants on our behalf, rulers in their positions only because we voted'. We're told to just lump it, but we were never directly asked to become part of what can only be described as the EUSSR, nor were any politicians campaigning on the ticket of enslaving their country.

Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public

All that culture, all that political independence, all that sovereignty, all that free will, all will soon be gone: Polish president ratifies EU treaty - , - Latest news & weather forecasts - MSN News UK

Just one more traitorous European president betraying his people before we become a-national serfs.

Eurowankers claim that 'Well that's Democracy, Public. The elected politicians signed our national death warrants on our behalf, rulers in their positions only because we voted'. We're told to just lump it, but we were never directly asked to become part of what can only be described as the EUSSR, nor were any politicians campaigning on the ticket of enslaving their country.

The EU is a cultural failure, and above all a democratic failure. Its an anti-citizen, anti-soviergn, anti-independance union, aimed at harnessing the power of European nations and controlling it, and using bills that are pushed through parliament endlessly even when the people say no to gain more control everyday until the boarders of our nation are part of a bigger European state without us even noticing.

Hopefully the Czech's will delay this long enough for Cameron to come into power and hopefully, though most unlikely, keep his promise of putting the treaty to popular vote.

Originally Posted by kaya'08

Hopefully the Czech's will delay this long enough for Cameron to come into power and hopefully, though most unlikely, keep his promise of putting the treaty to popular vote.

Why was the UK not given the right to vote, but other countries were?

Originally Posted by jackalope

Why was the UK not given the right to vote, but other countries were?

They where not.

The Lisbon treaty was called the Lisbon contitution but renamed again because the majority of European nations have to put the ratification of a constitution to popular vote because of their own constitutional laws.

It was renamed the Lisbon treaty so those bastards could get the law passed without governments having to put it to popular vote and trash the EU's hopes of transferring more power to Brussels. But the Irish constitution clearly states;

"any treaty that infringes national sovereignty must be put to a referendum".

Any other European nation who had to put the treaty to popular vote did so because of constitutional redtape, or their leader had an ounce of decency in him/her. Unfortunately, in Britain, our constitution does not state treaties that infringe on national soverign must be put to popular vote. And Brown is known for his indecency and is inconvienent leadership.

Originally Posted by kaya'08

They where not.

The Lisbon treaty was called the Lisbon contitution but renamed again because the majority of European nations have to put the ratification of a constitution to popular vote because of their own constitutional laws.

It was renamed the Lisbon treaty so those bastards could get the law passed without governments having to put it to popular vote and trash the EU's hopes of transferring more power to Brussels. But the Irish constitution clearly states;

"any treaty that infringes national sovereignty must be put to a referendum".

Any other European nation who had to put the treaty to popular vote did so because of constitutional redtape, or their leader had an ounce of decency in him/her. Unfortunately, in Britain, our constitution does not state treaties that infringe on national soverign must be put to popular vote. And Brown is known for his indecency and is inconvienent leadership.

So, most of the countries didn't vote? I knew about the Irish, cuz they re-jected it and had to have a re-vote, but I haven't heard too much else about it.

Originally Posted by jackalope

So, most of the countries didn't vote? I knew about the Irish, cuz they re-jected it and had to have a re-vote, but I haven't heard too much else about it.

If im not mistaken i think most countries voted for the Lisbon constitution and Ireland said no along with France, so it was modified a bit, for example making it a "treaty", so France and co. wouldnt be forced to put it to popular vote and risk the chance of getting it blocked again, all except Ireland. So the EU got a bit panicky this year with the Irish but it managed to pass, suprisingly enough.

This is a good day for europe! Just one penstroke, and a dream becomes true.

Originally Posted by kaya'08

If im not mistaken i think most countries voted for the Lisbon constitution and Ireland said no along with France, so it was modified a bit, for example making it a "treaty", so France and co. wouldnt be forced to put it to popular vote and risk the chance of getting it blocked again, all except Ireland. So the EU got a bit panicky this year with the Irish but it managed to pass, suprisingly enough.

You are mistaken. Only the Irish had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Not even the Czechs or Poles had referendums.. kinda funny considering it is those 2 governments that have been the most vocal. If they wanted to kill it, then hold a referendum right?..

Originally Posted by PeteEU

You are mistaken. Only the Irish had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

I was talking about the constitution when the French said no.

Not even the Czechs or Poles had referendums.. kinda funny considering it is those 2 governments that have been the most vocal. If they wanted to kill it, then hold a referendum right?..

No. You are better off delaying it rather than putting it to the people to decide, if your anti-EU then you realize it could well pass if you did hold a referendum. The Czechs government is the most vocal though it could still recieve enough yes's to pass, regardless, putting it to a referendum is running a risk. So it makes sense the Czech government is delaying it, probably to see if the English will actually hold a referendum and screw Brussels over further, though its more likely that rather then wait for Cameron to come to power the Czech government will compromise with the Lisbon treaty (that would involve denying key chapters of the treaty). This is what they claim to want anyway. Whether its just a ploy to delay or not, or if they are actually willing to pass Lisbon but under certain conditions, is yet unclear.

Originally Posted by Private Hudson

This is a good day for europe! Just one penstroke, and a dream becomes true.

Berk.

What kind of hideous dislike of free nation states powers a thought like that?

(Or perhaps Private Hudson is horsing around with such a lunatic comment, knowing that it's a sensitive one amongst we freedom-lovers.)