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Who's Afraid of the BNP? The Left are!

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...And no wonder, if the emotional meltdowns on display at the Labour conference are anything to judge by. Lambasting The Sun for daring to not support them any more and Gordon Brown getting huffy during an interview, during which he couldn't get his lies and spin from his mouth without being countered.

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Who's afraid of the BNP?

All sorts of whooping has come out about the BNP on Question Time, scheduled for October 22. Should they be 'exposed' on this, that or the other is pretty much a useless debate because the show's only a superficial bit of chit-chat anyway. Then we get told the BNP should be banned from it in the name of liberty and freedom. Charming! (And I notice they never call for Left wing firebrands like communists or Respect to be silenced though.)

All-in-all, it should be interesting telly, particularly if Nick Griffin manages to slip in his little dig about Labour stealing BNP slogans and policies (Operation Fightback for example). It would be good to have some real political back-and-forth on telly again, even if it is the BNP kicking it off.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Then we get told the BNP should be banned from it in the name of liberty and freedom. Charming! (And I notice they never call for Left wing firebrands like communists or Respect to be silenced though.)

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Quoting the article here "Until now, Labour has refused to appear alongside the BNP and Home Secretary Alan Johnson has publicly stated that he would not debate with someone he considers to be a racist."


which really means Alan Johnson has publicly stated that he would not debate with someone he considers to be a TRADITIONAL, RIGHT WING racist. The Galloways and Ahmed's of the world are in the protected class of racist being that some forms are sanctioned as politically correct while others are not.



I find the bnp to be pretty darned loathesome, but some of those on the left in Britain are every bit as loathseome, and pose a greater threat to Britain. Were pure filth like Galloway to ever hold sway, say goodby to Great Britain.
The rise in popularity of the bnp can be traced to the policies of the left in Britain which have acted to advance racism of a different form.
 
I find it amusing to hear Lefties whinge about banning BNP people from this or that due to extremist pasts, lies and destructive policies. With a ruling party who have had 5 Communists in recent Cabinets to my knowledge, a ruling party packed with liars responsible for the total destruction of our national fabric, I find it comic that they don't see the irony in their squealing.

Did you hear the BNP documentary online? I found it very interesting that the tone of the programme was generally antagonistic to anything outside its loony-Left remit, not merely the BNP.

The interviewer gave Margaret Hodge a particularly tough time, accusing her of pandering to the BNP line when she called for greater care to be taken for her constituents' concerns over housing. Her people voted in 11 BNP councillors in 2006, with even many Lefties reckoning that the BNP could have swept the board had they been able to afford to put up more candidates.

Many people in Labour warn that you can't just call the BNP racist, etc.; as the party and its membership grassroots 'normalise', that becomes more of a smear every day. A common way to try to minimalise the BNP's influence is to go on about how few elected representatives they have, though even now the little party can force the agenda quite often by echoing strongly-held Public sentiments.

I think that's the area in which the BNP can have most impact without actually being in power: Using their very threat value to scare the aloof and arrogant mainstream into doing a lot more of what their voters want, even if the furthest the BNP ever get in politics is to run a few councils and elect a couple of mayors.
 
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And I notice they never call for Left wing firebrands like communists or Respect to be silenced though
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Communists and Respect aren't the same as ANTIFA or the other diametric equivalents of the BNP.
 
So are you saying that communists and Respect people are better or worse than ANTIFA..?

What is it you're trying to say?
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
So are you saying that communists and Respect people are better or worse than ANTIFA..?
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I said they aren't "the same as ANTIFA or the other diametric equivalents of the BNP."

No more no less.
 
I'm all for letting racists speak publicly. Better that their views stand in the clear light of day than be swept under the rug, out of public view.
 
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I'm all for letting racists speak publicly. Better that their views stand in the clear light of day than be swept under the rug, out of public view.
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Absolutely. Whether they're right or whether they're wrong, let your standpoints take the test of real life.
 
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BNP are good people no dout about that.


Bless them.

mikeey
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
I find it amusing to hear Lefties whinge about banning BNP people from this or that due to extremist pasts, lies and destructive policies. With a ruling party who have had 5 Communists in recent Cabinets to my knowledge, a ruling party packed with liars responsible for the total destruction of our national fabric, I find it comic that they don't see the irony in their squealing.

Did you hear the BNP documentary online? I found it very interesting that the tone of the programme was generally antagonistic to anything outside its loony-Left remit, not merely the BNP.

The interviewer gave Margaret Hodge a particularly tough time, accusing her of pandering to the BNP line when she called for greater care to be taken for her constituents' concerns over housing. Her people voted in 11 BNP councillors in 2006, with even many Lefties reckoning that the BNP could have swept the board had they been able to afford to put up more candidates.

Many people in Labour warn that you can't just call the BNP racist, etc.; as the party and its membership grassroots 'normalise', that becomes more of a smear every day. A common way to try to minimalise the BNP's influence is to go on about how few elected representatives they have, though even now the little party can force the agenda quite often by echoing strongly-held Public sentiments.

I think that's the area in which the BNP can have most impact without actually being in power: Using their very threat value to scare the aloof and arrogant mainstream into doing a lot more of what their voters want, even if the furthest the BNP ever get in politics is to run a few councils and elect a couple of mayors.
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This is pretty much what I've been saying around here for ages. Be prepared to be called a BNP sympthiser or such for daring to make comments like those. There is a constant attempt to not just underhandedly dismiss the BNP rather than dealing with them, that has had little success but also to link any mildly socially rightwing agenda to them. If you question multiculturalism or any other PC liberal agenda or policy you are likely to be lumped in with them by the usual suspects.
 
Oh I shouldn't worry about that, Wessex old fruit! These Lefties are all potty anyway.

I mean, David Milliband ranting that that David Cameron is running up the 'white flag of surrender to extremists', just because the Eurosceptics are calling for a promise on a referendum to be kept by Cameron, I mean really!


One thing you can say about the NuLab conference, it's the comedy show of the year! It's got mad, frenetic bumbling farce, it's got pathos, it's got all the swivel-headed ranting comic turns, it's got the lot! (Except an audience, but hey-ho, can't have it all in life.)
 
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Labour, Tory and Lib Dem politicians are incapable of logical argument, put George Galloway or Tony Benn on to show them for the fools they are.
 
Show them how to do the job properly you mean....?

Benn and Galloway can teach those Parliamentary jellies the true lessons on being berks!
 
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I questioned you in another thread because it was a lazy response.
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Well obviously that was a different situation but it wasn't a lazy response, you're taking it our of context. I was simply referring to certain current policies and attitudes.



You have a persecution complex methinks...
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You and alexa, at least, have called me a BNP sympathiser but I was talking more generally.
 
Wessexman said:
Well obviously that was a different situation but it wasn't a lazy response, you're taking it our of context. I was simply referring to certain current policies and attitudes.
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um-hum... :roll:

Wessexman said:
-- You and alexa, at least, have called me a BNP sympathiser but I was talking more generally.
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Persecution complex again... I simply asked you to point out any of your posts or threads where you had been as critical of the BNP as you like to pretend you are. You do more defending of them than I've ever seen any evidence of "critique" beyond (and I re-quote) calling them "unsavoury."
 
If we want to cheerily identify the authoritarian rightist affiliations of others, we might as well go for the NF and the pretensions of decentralization they maintain; it seems that would go better with WM here than the BNP, as they hardly even bother with that. ;)
 
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um-hum... :roll:
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Indeed, you may not like the term but you have as yet not given it a proper analysis or refutation. Talk about lazy.:2wave:

Look Lord IC, as much as it annoys you, I will use labels when ever I damn well feel like it.
Persecution complex again... I simply asked you to point out any of your posts or threads where you had been as critical of the BNP as you like to pretend you are. You do more defending of them than I've ever seen any evidence of "critique" beyond (and I re-quote) calling them "unsavoury."
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This is bollocks, I proved to you I attack them, in fact I'm just about the only one around here who has made quite a few reasoned attacks on them. I'm one of the only people here who doesn't simply attack them by labeling them fascist or something which is extremely ironic, and for you hypocritical, based on your supposed hatred of such "lazy arguments". I'd almost forgot that, boy am I not going to let it slide.

I don't think I've ever defended them unless you count attacking silly dismissive comments and distortion. My entire "defense of them has been to say that inaccurately calling them fascist or neo-Nazis or being violent towards them is not a good idea. That this has so got your ire up is far more a reflection on you as it is on me. I do this for many different people. Perhaps I've a Palin-loving, Krugman reading, BNP sympathising, social anarchist at heart.

Or perhaps you're just full of ****?:2wave:
 
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Agnapostate said:
If we want to cheerily identify the authoritarian rightist affiliations of others, we might as well go for the NF and the pretensions of decentralization they maintain; it seems that would go better with WM here than the BNP, as they hardly even bother with that. ;)
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IC is just making personal attacks, he gets annoyed I constantly thrash him and lashes out at phrases and words. If I dare to use the word multicultural, well that's almost a hanging offense. It does get exceptionally tiring and so very boring. But most of the British leftists on this forum are the same, except Laila.
 
On reflection my last two posts were rather harsh, I don't want to be a poster who dislikes others just because we disagree politically.

However your current aggressive, personal and often downright distorting method of debate is really getting on my tits at the moment, IC.

I don't plan to post here much for the time being but if you want to go through more slanging matches simply showing who can yell the loudest, where I inevitably crush you as I have before, instead of having reasonable debate then you are going the right way about it.

And BL I very much doubt Agna was actually suggesting I'm like an NF supporter.
 
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Wessexman said:
-- you may not like the term -- Look Lord IC, as much as it annoys you, I will use labels when ever I damn well feel like it
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I'm not "annoyed" - this is the internet and all I have asked is you expand a little further than chucking a now meaningless term around when you can't be bothered to answer a query properly.

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-- This is bollocks, I proved to you I attack them, in fact I'm just about the only one around here who has made quite a few reasoned attacks on them.
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It shouldn't so hard then to point these "attacks" out - reasoned or otherwise. :2wave:

They'll be a matter of record, unless the DP admin have removed your posts specifically?

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IC is just making personal attacks
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Asking you to expand on "multiculturalism" is a personal attack?

As for "persecution complex" - was it not you saying that some quarters would label you a sympathiser earlier in this thread? So why (aam I the one making a personal attack?

Wessexman said:
-- If I dare to use the word multicultural, well that's almost a hanging offense.
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Not a persecution complex... no no


Wessexman said:
the British leftists on this forum are the same, except Laila.
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You do enjoy labelling people. Good luck with that - the label you apply to yourself is clearly wrong also "Libertarian" when you are ready to restrict the rights of certain citizens coming into the country.

And if you want proof - it was I wrongly called a "child of the empire" when you thought my parentage was of British and Commonwealth colonial descent.

Wessexman said:
-- I don't plan to post here much for the time being
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We'll miss you deeply.

Wessexman said:
where I inevitably crush you as I have before
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um-hum.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'm not "annoyed" - this is the internet and all I have asked is you expand a little further than chucking a now meaningless term around when you can't be bothered to answer a query properly.
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No what you've done is ignore my arguments and focus on such terms, even though you use similar yourself.

It shouldn't so hard then to point these "attacks" out - reasoned or otherwise. :2wave:

They'll be a matter of record, unless the DP admin have removed your posts specifically?
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Well actually searching for such is never much fun but why would I do it again when you've clearly ignored the last time?


Asking you to expand on "multiculturalism" is a personal attack?
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No implying me and bub are racist and saying we aim to do as much damage as possible to immigrants is.
As for "persecution complex" - was it not you saying that some quarters would label you a sympathiser earlier in this thread? So why (aam I the one making a personal attack?
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You have directly labeled me such with little justification.



You do enjoy labelling people.
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Oh the irony.
Good luck with that - the label you apply to yourself is clearly wrong also "Libertarian" when you are ready to restrict the rights of certain citizens coming into the country.
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What utter bollocks as usual.
And if you want proof - it was I wrongly called a "child of the empire" when you thought my parentage was of British and Commonwealth colonial descent.
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Actually I think you'll find this was after you started insinuating my temporary residency in Aussieland disqualified me from talking about UK politics.


We'll miss you deeply.
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Well some will no doubt, of you I care little.
um-hum.
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Do-dum.:2wave:
 
Wessexman said:
No what you've done is ignore my arguments and focus on such terms, even though you use similar yourself.
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Actually I gave an example in a previous post - either on this thread or another. From you - nothing I'm afraid.

Wessexman said:
-- Well actually searching for such is never much fun but why would I do it again when you've clearly ignored the last time?
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There was no last time, otherwise I wouldn't still be asking!

Wessexman said:
-- No implying me and bub are racist and saying we aim to do as much damage as possible to immigrants is.
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No, let bub speak for himself - he recognised and confessed his policy might be - but that doesn't make bub the person a racist.

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-- You're right, it would probably be discriminating, but the aim is the public interest--
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I would never accuse bub of being a racist, he has no "previous" but I do think his policy idea is mistaken.

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-- Actually I think you'll find this was after you started insinuating my temporary residency in Aussieland disqualified me from talking about UK politics.
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I think what I found funny was the authority with which you could correct me on personal experiences here in the UK from your distant abode and lack of direct experience. I've never met anyone so bumptious in their knowledge of what life in the UK is all about - while that person is 1000s of miles away.

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-- Well some will no doubt, of you I care little.
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Aw... I'm heartbroken. I was holding my breath till you come back.
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Infinite, a splendid use of Bumptious:rofl
 
Wessex you are leaving, do you know the stress that puts me under finding another Wassock to replace you:(

You were a natural.

I love bum:bootyshake:bootyshakeptious
 
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