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Germany- Afghan Migrant Rapes & Murders German Girl, after Being Paroled Early

Cisero said:
So... how would you legislate shooting criminals ? Do you shoot first offenders ? Do you shoot criminals who get caught stealing small amounts of money for the third time ?

What kind of criminal is it ok to shoot in your opinion ?
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...and do you believe it is just fine to let them get away with it 17 times, as in Ally's case?
 
_Sal said:
I believe much of our problem is what we define as criminal AND our choice of punishment vs reform

we have proven repeatedly that incarceration alone does not prevent recidivism

we simply can not afford as a society to keep locking up bodies that aren't violent or a threat to society and should be out supporting and feeding themselves not relying on my dollar to feed their ass

we have to examine what works and does not work

success is the goal
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Imprissioning people does not work. Letting them go free does not work. Your solution Sal, abolishing the concept of 'crime' has its attractions: nothing is a 'crime' and therefore there are no longer any 'criminals'. Pretty clever.
 
Sweden said:
Imprissioning people does not work. Letting them go free does not work. Your solution Sal, abolishing the concept of 'crime' has its attractions: nothing is a 'crime' and therefore there are no longer any 'criminals'. Pretty clever.
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that's what you think those words meant huh, it fascinates me when people spin another's post and then mock it

I'll take the clever part though
 
_Sal said:
that's what you think those words meant huh, it fascinates me when people spin another's post and then mock it

I'll take the clever part though
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I'm delighted to bring a little fascination to brighten your cold Northern winter. I'm at 60 degrees North - and you? (More spin, its actually only 59 degs and 55 minutes, about the same as Churchill on Hudson Bay).
 
Sweden said:
I'm delighted to bring a little fascination to brighten your cold Northern winter.
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well it did, I especially liked the clever part

I'm at 60 degrees North - and you? (More spin, its actually only 59 degs and 55 minutes, about the same as Churchill on Hudson Bay).
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ooooooooooooooooooh my god you lucky bugger, brrrrrrrrrrr....I am at 43° N and it is -9° C with a light snowfall, plus a SW 30kmh wind resulting in a windchill of....................wait for it...................... -18°C

but I went shopping so it's all good

actually I hate shopping but I found what I needed and it fits so.......it's all good
 
_Sal said:
well it did, I especially liked the clever part



ooooooooooooooooooh my god you lucky bugger, brrrrrrrrrrr....I am at 43° N and it is -9° C with a light snowfall, plus a SW 30kmh wind resulting in a windchill of....................wait for it...................... -18°C

but I went shopping so it's all good

actually I hate shopping but I found what I needed and it fits so.......it's all good[/QUOT

-13.6 here, no idea what the wind chill is and I have no intention of going to find out as it's blowing hard. (How does one do those little o degree things?)

Our eldest grandson, who starts college in Montreal in two weeks, was to take his driving test 40 minutes ago. I hope he didn't skid around too much.

(I love clothes shopping. I bought a shirt a year or three ago - it still fits - and I might go again if it wears out.)

OK so where are you? 43 degrees, so I'm guessing Hamilton, Ontario.
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_Sal said:
well it did, I especially liked the clever part



ooooooooooooooooooh my god you lucky bugger, brrrrrrrrrrr....I am at 43° N and it is -9° C with a light snowfall, plus a SW 30kmh wind resulting in a windchill of....................wait for it...................... -18°C

but I went shopping so it's all good

actually I hate shopping but I found what I needed and it fits so.......it's all good
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OMG, how did my attempt to reply, above or maybe below, go so wrong?
 
Cisero said:
That's horrible... how can people do this ?
How can we stop it ?

... I don't know
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Fjrst think about the number of "other than Muslim men who rape women, then worry about the Muslim perpetrators.

The original message was sent UNIQUELY to disgrace the Muslims, when, in fact, those who have migrated from the war-zone have conditioned themselves to living in Europe towards finding a job and assimilating within the local culture.

The person who put up the original message is trying to make the wrong point. Europe has been open for a long time to all migrants. France, where I live, first opened its doors to Algerians who had fought the Civil War in Algeria, and found themselves homeless because they are ostracized in their own country.

They fled literally to France, where From 1962 to 1975, the Algerian immigrant population increased from 350,000 to 700,000. Today they have assimilated themselves into the French culture, and today, two of them even occupy high posts in the present French government.

So, despite the fact that Muslim migration into Europe is a "problem", and despite the article of this particular thread, they are needed in Europe. Contrary to the US.

Because European women are not, today, and will not tomorrow fournish the economy with sufficient children that will, one day, whilst working, sustain the retirement population by means of taxation.

WHO WILL FILL THE JOBS?
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Europe needs the migrants/immigrants because its present workforce is not of the caliber to provide the necessary manpower to sustain those who retire ... !
 
This article sums up Islam in Germany through 2016. A lot happened.
Mass migration from the Muslim world is fast-tracking the Islamization of Germany, as evidenced by the proliferation of no-go zones, Sharia courts, polygamy and child marriages. Mass migration has also been responsible for a host of social disruptions, including jihadist attacks, a migrant rape epidemic, a public health crisis, rising crime and a rush by German citizens to purchase weapons for self-defense — and even to abandon Germany altogether.
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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9700/germany-islamization
 
Lafayette said:
Fjrst think about the number of "other than Muslim men who rape women, then worry about the Muslim perpetrators.

The original message was sent UNIQUELY to disgrace the Muslims, when, in fact, those who have migrated from the war-zone have conditioned themselves to living in Europe towards finding a job and assimilating within the local culture.

The person who put up the original message is trying to make the wrong point. Europe has been open for a long time to all migrants. France, where I live, first opened its doors to Algerians who had fought the Civil War in Algeria, and found themselves homeless because they are ostracized in their own country.

They fled literally to France, where From 1962 to 1975, the Algerian immigrant population increased from 350,000 to 700,000. Today they have assimilated themselves into the French culture, and today, two of them even occupy high posts in the present French government.

So, despite the fact that Muslim migration into Europe is a "problem", and despite the article of this particular thread, they are needed in Europe. Contrary to the US.

Because European women are not, today, and will not tomorrow fournish the economy with sufficient children that will, one day, whilst working, sustain the retirement population by means of taxation.

WHO WILL FILL THE JOBS?
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Europe needs the migrants/immigrants because its present workforce is not of the caliber to provide the necessary manpower to sustain those who retire ... !
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I never tire of your " Migrants will fill Jerbs" posts.
 
 
Nilly said:
Prove that.
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Ok...well..uh what's your qualifier say there below?

Don't forget to control for other variables like wealth/poverty.
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Ah. So even if I can prove that immigrants/migrants commit crimes at higher rates than citizens, you've already got your excuses made an your escape route planned.

There's really no point in me fulfilling your first request, is there?
 
truthatallcost said:
Ok...well..uh what's your qualifier say there below?



Ah. So even if I can prove that immigrants/migrants commit crimes at higher rates than citizens, you've already got your excuses made an your escape route planned.

There's really no point in me fulfilling your first request, is there?
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So you can't prove it without the qualifier.

And you definitely can't prove it with (even though it's a perfectly valid qualifier).

Checkmate, then.
 
Nilly said:
So you can't prove it without the qualifier.

And you definitely can't prove it with (even though it's a perfectly valid qualifier).

Checkmate, then.
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I can prove that immigrants/migrants commit crimes, particularly serious crimes in Germany (remember the topic of the thread your commenting on?) at a much higher rate than citizens.

I'll repeat however, that if your idea of Checkmate is to lazily blame poverty/racism/Santa Claus or any other fairytale, then there's no point in me wasting my time.
 
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truthatallcost said:
I can prove that immigrants/migrants commit crimes, particularly serious crimes in Germany (remember the topic of the thread your commenting on?) at a much higher rate than citizens.

I'll repeat however, that if your idea of Checkmate is to lazily blame poverty/racism/Santa Claus or any other fairytale, then there's no point in me wasting my time.
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Do you think it's fair to compare the crime rate of adults to the crime rate of children or old ladies, it' not exactly proving much, is it. If all you're gonna try to prove is that (which I still doubt you'd be able to sufficiently prove), then yeah, don't bother.
 
Nilly said:
Do you think it's fair to compare the crime rate of adults to the crime rate of children or old ladies, it' not exactly proving much, is it. If all you're gonna try to prove is that (which I still doubt you'd be able to sufficiently prove), then yeah, don't bother.
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Children do not commit crimes in Sweden as the age of criminal responsibility is 15. In Germany it is 14 btw.
 
Sweden said:
Children do not commit crimes in Sweden as the age of criminal responsibility is 15. In Germany it is 14 btw.
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Which is kind of my point.

If ttc is going to come back and divide the total number of crime by demographic x then divide by the number of demographic x (but include children under 15 in that figure) then he's diluting his crime figures for demographic x.

It will also be the case that if demographic x has a higher percentage of children under 15 than demographic y, then they will show a generally lower crime rate, not because an individual from demographic x is less likely to commit crime than an individual from demographic y, but because demographic x has more children under 15.
 
Sweden said:
OMG, how did my attempt to reply, above or maybe below, go so wrong?
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You opened a quote but did not close it.

It is best to create the message and before sending it to click on "Go Advanced", which will allow you to both read it as a draft and, of course, correct any mistakes ...
 
Lafayette said:
You opened a quote but did not close it.

It is best to create the message and before sending it to click on "Go Advanced", which will allow you to both read it as a draft and, of course, correct any mistakes ...
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Merci infiniment.
 
chuckiechan said:
I hate to break it too you but a lot of political leaders don't really care that a person commits a violent felony and get out after a year or two and then murders someone.

We have the same problem in California. Democrats stopped building prisons, now they are full and a judge orders releases due to overcrowding. Governor orders "non violent" felonies reduced and kicked out of prison. The only problem is most of these "non violent" felonies were plea bargains where the violent felony was dropped to get a plea.

So they are running around homeless, like little time bombs waiting to snap out on some citizen or run into a CCW and catch a bullet.

Merkel did this to Germany on purpose. She should study how Hitler rose to power.
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Do you have statistics of non-violent criminals being released only to commit a vioent crime upon said release?
 
chuckiechan said:
Democrats stopped building prisons, now they are full and a judge orders releases due to overcrowding.
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It's not working. There must be some other way.

The US has one of the worst incarceration rates in the world:
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It's a great deal more than Canada. So, what is it about Canada that makes them able to keep order without such a high incarceration rate?

Throwing people in jail is nail is NOT the remedy.

Better education, better jobs is ...
 
Lafayette said:
It's not working. There must be some other way.

The US has one of the worst incarceration rates in the world:
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It's a great deal more than Canada. So, what is it about Canada that makes them able to keep order without such a high incarceration rate?

Throwing people in jail is nail is NOT the remedy.

Better education, better jobs is ...
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Demographics.
 
Lafayette said:
The US has one of the worst incarceration rates in the world:
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Good job. I would like our incarceration rate to be closer from the US one, at least it would mean that justice prevails.

In France we see rapists freed after six months: they get sentenced to five years, shrunk to two years because of good behavior, then they are released after six months with an ankle monitor and they can stay at home playing the playstation with their buddies. French sources available through PM.

Throwing people in jail is nail is NOT the remedy.

Better education, better jobs is ...
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Ethnic diversity and immigration are the decisive factory by far, not economic factors.

90% of the crime in America is done by minorities and this is not an economic issue because poor white people kill 50 to 200 times less than Afro-Americans in the same income bucket.

Actually poor white people do not kill more than rich white people, or only to a very small extent.
 
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