Economic doom and gloom for Brexit falls flat.

Chagos · Nov 3, 2016

flogger said:
So how many Islamic nations were a part of the Schengen agreement then ? :roll:

Give over, eh? :mrgreen:

Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs etc. Everybody knows they're all closet Muslims.

Auvergnat · Nov 3, 2016

flogger said:
Islamic immigration in the UK has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit

Regardless of your political opinions, it should be obvious to all that Islam increases the tensions around immigration and identity conflicts in Britain. For this reason Islam is one of the triggers of the Brexit regardless of whether the Brexit can affect Islamic immigration or not. This should not be controversial.

That being said there are EUCJ rulings that impose familial immigration and reunion, and limit the detention spans necessary to expel illegals. Those rulings derive from the European declaration of human rights mentioned in article 1 of the consolidated EU treaty. And those rulings prevail over national laws: a British court has to bow to the EUCJ decisions (and ECDH one, that draws similar conclusion).

So even though extra-European immigration is not a competence of the EU, the mention of human rights allows the EU to actually prevent us to limit most of immigration.

We have six muslim MPs out of 650 and 5% of our population is Islamic most of whom have assimilated just fine over the decades they have been coming here so I think we are safe enough.

Most of UK Muslims want to ban homosexuality. They have not assimilated, they have simply integrated: they blend in, but they keep their retrograde ideas and culture and they will continue to keep them, and this will change your country. They love their culture, they want to keep it, and they respect it more than yours.

Second of all 5% at the national population means 10% - 15% in London, and 20% - 30% among the Londonian youth. This latter figure is the future of London, and it worsens year after year.

You look at the number of MP today. But you refuse to see that it is only low because of inertia. But inertia will fade away and you have put in motion an inevitable civilizational shift that will make Britain a British-Muslium culture, something that is accelerating as immigration continues.

flogger · Nov 3, 2016

Auvergnat said:
Regardless of your political opinions, it should be obvious to all that Islam increases the tensions around immigration and identity conflicts in Britain. For this reason Islam is one of the triggers of the Brexit regardless of whether the Brexit can affect Islamic immigration or not. This should not be controversial.

There will be Islamic immigration irrespective of Brexit and the EU everybody here knows this . What are you on about ?

So even though extra-European immigration is not a competence of the EU, the mention of human rights allows the EU to actually prevent us to limit most of immigration.

Our domestic legislation has always allowed this so what ? Post Brexit they have as much right to try and live and work here as anyone else if they have the sort of skills our economy needs. I suspect if they avoid folk like you they will be fine

Most of UK Muslims want to ban homosexuality. They have not assimilated, they have simply integrated: they blend in, but they keep their retrograde ideas and culture and they will continue to keep them, and this will change your country. They love their culture, they want to keep it, and they respect it more than yours.

So the Daily Mail says so eh ..... must be true then ? :lol: Many of our Christian clergy would like to see the same. Again so what ?

Second of all 5% at the national population means 10% - 15% in London, and 20% - 30% among the Londonian youth. This latter figure is the future of London, and it worsens year after year.

I couldn't care less where abouts they choose to live here. At 5% they are still a very small minority

You look at the number of MP today. But you refuse to see that it is only low because of inertia. But inertia will fade away and you have put in motion an inevitable civilizational shift that will make Britain a British-Muslium culture, something that is accelerating as immigration continues.

Good grief fella you really need to get some help. You aren't Jewish/Israeli by any chance are you ? :wink:

flogger · Nov 3, 2016

Chagos said:
Give over, eh? :mrgreen:

Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs etc. Everybody knows they're all closet Muslims.

I know you couldn't make this stuff up. Given the tone of recent posts they'll be demanding Muslim concentration camps next

Chagos · Nov 3, 2016

flogger said:
I know you couldn't make this stuff up. Given the tone of recent posts they'll be demanding Muslim concentration camps next

There's already been some support on this forum for violence against Muslims that were totally innocent of anything.

flogger · Nov 4, 2016

Chagos said:
There's already been some support on this forum for violence against Muslims that were totally innocent of anything.

I seem to remember once upon a time 6 million being gassed by a people who espoused similar views on their chosen ethnic scapegoats

Auvergnat · Nov 4, 2016

flogger said:
There will be Islamic immigration irrespective of Brexit and the EU everybody here knows this . What are you on about ?

When a spark causes an explosion, it is not a conscious decision of the gas pocket to suppress the source of sparks. It just happens.

Islam is a spark, a trigger for the Brexit because it strongly contributed to make British people reject immigration and feel the need to defend their culture and identity.

Our domestic legislation has always allowed this so what ?

It has always allowed it and now you are in a mess. You will want to change those laws and the EU bans you of doing this.

So the Daily Mail says so eh ..... must be true then ?

The poll was conducted by ICM, which is considered as a reliable polling company, used by many large enterprises for their marketing research.

The Muslim population in UK and Britain is extremely intolerant. This has been well measured. I suggest you look at this study for example.

And you know what is worse: most of polls and studies underestimate the problems because they have no control factor: when you ask people about controversial issues, they lie, and frequently the real figures are twice or thrice times higher. You would need control factor to approximate the real results, but sometimes none are available. Some samplers use Arab interviewers to remedy this, some use factors from the white population, some use nothing.

:lol: Many of our Christian clergy would like to see the same. Again so what ?

I strongly doubt most of your clergy would like to ban homosexuality as a whole, and it is certain that most of Christians do not, as you very well know. Pretending the situation is symmetrical is mere hypocrisy and denial.

I couldn't care less where abouts they choose to live here. At 5% they are still a very small minority

This 5% would eventually become 10% in a few decades if you were to completely stop immigration right now. But on the opposite your immigration is stronger than ever, so it is going to continue to rise. Embrace this future with a Britsh-Muslim Britain and a Muslim London.

You aren't Jewish/Israeli by any chance are you ? :wink:

No. Are you antisemite by chance?

flogger · Nov 4, 2016

Auvergnat said:
When a spark causes an explosion, it is not a conscious decision of the gas pocket to suppress the source of sparks. It just happens.

Uh ..... riiiight

Islam is a spark, a trigger for the Brexit because it strongly contributed to make British people reject immigration and feel the need to defend their culture and identity.

Nope. Because Brexit was not about stopping them because it can't. What it can do is stop the unrestricted millions of EU nationals coming here and that is what it was all about

It has always allowed it and now you are in a mess. You will want to change those laws and the EU bans you of doing this.

Do you think we had no such immigration before joining the EU then ?

The poll was conducted by ICM, which is considered as a reliable polling company, used by many large enterprises for their marketing research.

The Muslim population in UK and Britain is extremely intolerant. This has been well measured. I suggest you look at this study for example.

Interestingly those 'intolerant' Muslims constitute over 30% of the doctors and nurses in our hospitals even though they represent only some 5% of our population. As a minority in the UK they therefore represent greater net contributers per capita than virtually any other ethnic group living here. This is only one of many contributions they have made

Muslim Contribution To Britain | The Revival

And you know what is worse: most of polls and studies underestimate the problems because they have no control factor: when you ask people about controversial issues, they lie, and frequently the real figures are twice or thrice times higher. You would need control factor to approximate the real results, but sometimes none are available. Some samplers use Arab interviewers to remedy this, some use factors from the white population, some use nothing.

Maybe you should phone uncle Sam and ask if there are any vacancies at Gitmo. Then you could get to abuse them every day. Better still get a gun, go out the the countries where the UK and US have devastated their societies and fill your boots

I strongly doubt most of your clergy would like to ban homosexuality as a whole, and it is certain that most of Christians do not, as you very well know. Pretending the situation is symmetrical is mere hypocrisy and denial.

I'm not the one who with one brush is tarring an entire ethnic group as nutjob extremists :wink:

This 5% would eventually become 10% in a few decades if you were to completely stop immigration right now. But on the opposite your immigration is stronger than ever, so it is going to continue to rise. Embrace this future with a Britsh-Muslim Britain and a Muslim London.

Lets just hope that if that really happens they contribute as much to our society as those here already have :thumbs:

No. Are you antisemite by chance?

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No as I said earlier I'm an athiest who knows what sectarian bigotry is when he sees it . I couldn't care less if the Jews or Muslims were the Moonies. I judge individuals by the content of their character nothing else

Auvergnat · Nov 4, 2016

flogger said:
Do you think we had no such immigration before joining the EU then ?

Actually, no, you don't, but I am not accusing the EU to have caused this.

However the majority of your people have been asking for less immigration for many years, and politicians were not able to satisfy them even when they wanted to. This is because of many legal obstructions that prevent politicians to limit immigration, one of them being the EU. In France three obstacles make this obstruction, derived from the European declaration of human rights: the EUCJ, the ECHR, and our own constitution. All three require a constitutional change, including the rejection of the EUCJ sovereignty.

Interestingly those 'intolerant' Muslims constitute over 30% of the doctors and nurses in our hospitals even though they represent only some 5% of our population.

Your Islamist propaganda website (the "revival of Islam") actually mentions minorities as a whole, not just Muslims, and discussed medical students, not employees. This simply reflects the high share of minorities among your youth, especially urban youth.

As for Muslims specifically, they are more often low-level care employees than physicians, which is related to the fact that few people want to fill those occupations. In other words they wash up excrements. This reality is very far from your idyllic description of gentle thousands of Muslim physicians who would be overrepresented in medical jobs as a result of personal dedication to the community.

As a minority in the UK they therefore represent greater net contributers per capita than virtually any other ethnic group living here.

Your website does not mention this, but I suspect this is simply related to ephemeral demographic effects (educated by other countries, not yet retired, second generation youth possibly not accounted). And negligence in accounting indirect costs (criminality, loss of trust from multiethnicity, ...)

Maybe you should phone uncle Sam and ask if there are any vacancies at Gitmo. Then you could get to abuse them every day. Better still get a gun, go out the the countries where the UK and US have devastated their societies and fill your boots

I was discussing methodological difficulties encountered in social science studies, and from that you drew the conclusion that I want to kill and torture?!

Could you explain in what ridiculous narcissistic fantasies you are venturing into again? Were you saving Jews from Nazis this time?

Lets just hope that if that really happens they contribute as much to our society as those here already have :thumbs:

You really do think that 20% of Muslims in Britain would be a good thing for you?! Because an Islamist website just told you so?!

I judge individuals by the content of their character nothing else

You simply refuse to take responsibility.

You are going to welcome 20% of Muslims, among which more than half are far-right Islamists, and they will irremediably change your culture in a disgusting way. Letting this happen while hiding behind an individual perspective is treason towards your descendants.

flogger · Nov 4, 2016

Auvergnat said:
Actually, no, you don't, but I am not accusing the EU to have caused this.

So you have nothing relevant to add to the OP the rest is simply your venting of islamaphobic bile . I think we got that already. Thanks for stopping by :wink:

Infinite Chaos · Nov 6, 2016

Fishking said:
But predictions have not held out to be true, this was self-admitted by the IMF.

Most people felt that Article 50 would be triggered immediately if the pro Brexit side won. One of Cameron's best actions was to act to delay that triggering and then fall on his sword. As we can see now, nobody on Pro Brexit side had any plan or clue as to what would happen or when they would trigger Brexit.

Only the hardest Breast supporters wanted an immediate triggering and these people often also thought that a win would mean they could kick all immigrants and their kids out of the country. Other pro Brexit people tended to have simplistic naive hopes for what could happen and we also have soft Brexit people who think the EU will bend to our desire and allow us to have free trade without the payments or free movement principles.

Fishking · Nov 6, 2016

Infinite Chaos said:
Most people felt that Article 50 would be triggered immediately if the pro Brexit side won. One of Cameron's best actions was to act to delay that triggering and then fall on his sword. As we can see now, nobody on Pro Brexit side had any plan or clue as to what would happen or when they would trigger Brexit.

Only the hardest Breast supporters wanted an immediate triggering and these people often also thought that a win would mean they could kick all immigrants and their kids out of the country. Other pro Brexit people tended to have simplistic naive hopes for what could happen and we also have soft Brexit people who think the EU will bend to our desire and allow us to have free trade without the payments or free movement principles.

Why did people think such a complicated and monumental task would be triggered so fast?

Infinite Chaos · Nov 6, 2016

Fishking said:
Why did people think such a complicated and monumental task would be triggered so fast?

For that, you need to look at why many people also bought into the lies promoted on one side and the fear promoted by the other. As an example of what a well informed referendum debate should look like - neither side in the 2016 referendum covered themselves in glory. There are still many in and around the UK in many small towns who are still demanding that Article 50 should be triggered now or should have been done as soon as possible.