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zyzygy said:
The Pilgrim Fathers left England because Puritanism was not radical enough for them. They went to the New World to establish their own brand of religious intolerance. They once hanged a woman for being a Quaker.
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So how could I schedule a meeting between Elon Musk and the Saudi King?
 
Tigerace117 said:
"Poor people"?

The Puritains were hardline Protestants. They had more in common with today's Islamist political parties than with the refugees.
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You will find the refugees are relatively religious on average and that the Puritans fled.
 
Auvergnat said:
Libertarianism would lead my country to become a Franco-Muslim country, and Muslims would then suppress every hint of liberalism.

Please explain how it could be good.
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That's how Catholics or Calvinists used to be. But our culture mellowed them. That is how it usually works. Religious fanatics lose their religion in their pursuit of happiness.
 
joG said:
You will find the refugees are relatively religious on average and that the Puritans fled.
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The Puritans fled because they didn't like the fact that in their eyes the king was "soft" on religion, and on Catholicism in general.
 
joG said:
That's how Catholics or Calvinists used to be. But our culture mellowed them. That is how it usually works. Religious fanatics lose their religion in their pursuit of happiness.
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I think you're talking claptrap again.
 
zyzygy said:
The Pilgrim Fathers left England because Puritanism was not radical enough for them. They went to the New World to establish their own brand of religious intolerance. They once hanged a woman for being a Quaker.
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You can also read the accounts of what Europe was like in those times. Over crowded, disease plagued, poverty and malnutrition, these were also common problems of the day.

It's very trendy to insult the first European settlers to America now, but when I read actual accounts of what their lives were like, I come away with a great respect for them. They weren't all puritans who had a panic attack at the thought of dancing.
 
joG said:
That's how Catholics or Calvinists used to be. But our culture mellowed them. That is how it usually works. Religious fanatics lose their religion in their pursuit of happiness.
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First of all fanaticism is not my main concern by far.
* Islam as a whole is my concern: I want to live under a French culture, not a Franco-Muslim culture. Those are very different societies and values.
* Radicalism may be lighter than fanaticism and legal, but it is also much more common (half of Muslims) and it is the main driver of societal changes. It does change values and morale norms through lobbying, collective pressures, massive disobedience to law.

Second of all why would they have to choose between radicalism and comfort? Thanks to the liberal model we have the duty to let them spread their ideas and to hire them. They do not have to change to enjoy our perks. And once they dominate a neighborhood or an enterprise, they make their values the local societal norms and rules. Justice is not a suitable tool for that: the pressure is too diffuse, too omnipresent, the actors too many, and their population is on the side of Islam and opposes our own norms, and our police and justice with them.

Liberalism is a tool they use against us to force us to accept them. But once they are in the place, they do not give a damn about liberal values. We must fight Islam, not turn a blind eye to it.
 
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truthatallcost said:
You can also read the accounts of what Europe was like in those times. Over crowded, disease plagued, poverty and malnutrition, these were also common problems of the day.

It's very trendy to insult the first European settlers to America now, but when I read actual accounts of what their lives were like, I come away with a great respect for them. They weren't all puritans who had a panic attack at the thought of dancing.
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I'm not insulting them. I would recommend that you read the chapter about the Pilgrim Fathers in Bill Bryson's book, Made In America.
 
Auvergnat said:
First of all fanaticism is not my main concern by far.
* Islam as a whole is my concern: I want to live under a French culture, not a Franco-Muslim culture. Those are very different societies and values.
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In what way do you feel you are being made to live under the latter? Personally I´ve lived in heavily muslim areas of European cities and have never felt coersed in any way. (and can´t say I felt majorly coersed when living in a muslim country either). For the most part these communities simply want to work hard and be left alone.
 
Red_Dave said:
In what way do you feel you are being made to live under the latter? Personally I´ve lived in heavily muslim areas of European cities and have never felt coersed in any way. (and can´t say I felt majorly coersed when living in a muslim country either). For the most part these communities simply want to work hard and be left alone.
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First of all it is not just about coercion it is about he culture you live in. I want to live in the French culture, not the Arab one. France was a secular country where joking about religion was commonplace, now I live in a country where joking about Islam would immediately result into ostracism, where many people think Charlie Hebdo deserved what happened. France was a country in love with Enlightenment, with progressism and atheism, with a history of rebellion against the clergy, but now we are swarmed by a religion called "submission" that intends to regulate absolutely every minute part of life according to the words of a warmonger pedophile from the 7th century - retards. France was the country of Channel, of the bikini, now we are the country of the burkini and ethnic conflicts, a garbage dump.

Regarding coercion specifically, I grew up in a Muslim neighborhood where it was already dangerous to be Jew, gay or criticize Islam, or to be a sexy woman wearing skirts. It is worse nowadays. Nowadays brown people are forced to be Muslims by other Muslims, they do not have the choice and this can go as far as assaults. Islam did not spread by conviction, it did spread through coercion, this is still true today, this is even truer today because of the global Islamist wave, and this will concern white people sooner or later. It probably already started in some places.

Finally note that social pressures cannot be easily dismissed either: in a Muslim environment non-Muslims enjoy an inferior status or worse. Humans are social beings and Islam only tolerates Islam.


But, yes, most of them want to be left alone, living by their laws, confiscating a part of my country for them while enjoying full rights, burning our policemen and teachers, and blaming us for the consequences. But because they still need to blend among us for money, they insist that even outside of their community we change our rules, that we provide them with halal meals in enterprises, ban blasphemy, teach their kids Arab, allow civil agents to wear religious signs, allow them to discriminate women, gays and Jews, fund Mosques, etc, etc, etc. Fopr one request you will be stupid enough to satisfy, three others will follow, and you're racist if you refuse to submit.
 
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Auvergnat said:
First of all it is not just about coercion it is about he culture you live in. I want to live in the French culture, not the Arab one. France was a secular country where joking about religion was commonplace, now I live in a country where joking about Islam would immediately result into ostracism, where many people think Charlie Hebdo deserved what happened. France was a country in love with Enlightenment, with progressism and atheism, with a history of rebellion against the clergy, but now we are swarmed by a religion called "submission" that intends to regulate absolutely every minute part of life according to the words of a warmonger pedophile from the 7th century - retards. France was the country of Channel, of the bikini, now we are the country of the burkini and ethnic conflicts, a garbage dump.

Regarding coercion specifically, I grew up in a Muslim neighborhood where it was already dangerous to be Jew, gay or criticize Islam, or to be a sexy woman wearing skirts. It is worse nowadays. Nowadays brown people are forced to be Muslims by other Muslims, they do not have the choice and this can go as far as assaults. Islam did not spread by conviction, it did spread through coercion, this is still true today, this is even truer today because of the global Islamist wave, and this will concern white people sooner or later. It probably already started in some places.

Finally note that social pressures cannot be easily dismissed either: in a Muslim environment non-Muslims enjoy an inferior status or worse. Humans are social beings and Islam only tolerates Islam.


But, yes, most of them want to be left alone, living by their laws, confiscating a part of my country for them while enjoying full rights, burning our policemen and teachers, and blaming us for the consequences. But because they still need to blend among us for money, they insist that even outside of their community we change our rules, that we provide them with halal meals in enterprises, ban blasphemy, teach their kids Arab, allow civil agents to wear religious signs, allow them to discriminate women, gays and Jews, fund Mosques, etc, etc, etc. For one request you will be stupid enough to satisfy, three others will follow, and you're racist if you refuse to submit.
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I've met quite a few expats from France in HK over the past few months. Many are quite forthcoming about the Mozlemization of France, holding similar views such as Auvergnat, with quite a few moving here precisely because "my country is dying due to Islam and PC'ness". At least in Hong Kong, they can whine and bitch about Moslems without fear of getting ganked on and crap (otoh, I've let them know to not say anything positive in public about the PRC, as the so-called "universal suffrage" arseholes are another matter).

I find it disturbing and very sad (especially how much my family and I used to love visiting the City of Light), that so many Frenchmen and mademoiselles would pick up their families and careers and move to an increasingly cramped, impolite, dirty, non-French speaking, terrible quality of life city, with a few even willing to take lower-pay in comparison to live in a place where 500,000 euros can get you a 200 sf "luxury" apartment fit for dogs, just to avoid Moslems.
 
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