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What Lies Behind French Conservatives' Love of Putin?

Simpleχity;1066383615 said:
What Lies Behind French Conservatives' Love of Putin?

Venture capital for starters. Le Pen admitted to receiving a $12-million loan from a Kremlin-affiliated bank in 2014 and asked for a $30-million loan in February.
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Our far-right receives money from the Kremlin, our right-wing received money from Libya (ongoing prosecutions) and is notoriously corrupt, and the socialists are sold to Muslims (cultural subsides for Mosques and other funding strategies) and some of their ministers have been at the heart of a few scandals over the past years.

Pick your poison, comrade.
 
Auvergnat said:
Our far-right receives money from the Kremlin, our right-wing received money from Libya (ongoing prosecutions) and is notoriously corrupt, and the socialists are sold to Muslims (cultural subsides for Mosques and other funding strategies) and some of their ministers have been at the heart of a few scandals over the past years.

Pick your poison, comrade.
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It does seem to me that Europe is growing closer to Russia and China politically post-Brexit.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
It does seem to me that Europe is growing closer to Russia and China politically post-Brexit.
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Europe is a collateral of the Syrian war as a result of the refugees waves (largely caused by Russian bombings). And to end this war it needs to force Russia and the USA into a reconciliation.

I am afraid however they are simply going to offer Russia whatever it will want to end the refugees crisis as a result of their policies of always compromising with everyone (Turkey, Russia, etc). We live in a world full of Neville Chamberlain.

As for China, I do not see Europe going closer to it. On the other hand Russia is probably rather trying to get closer from us to escape the Chinese grip. I think the Northern hemisphere is currently busy deciding whether it will form two blocks (America-Europe, Russia-China) or three (America, Europe-Russia, China).
 
Auvergnat said:
Europe is a collateral of the Syrian war as a result of the refugees waves (largely caused by Russian bombings). And to end this war it needs to force Russia and the USA into a reconciliation.

I am afraid however they are simply going to offer Russia whatever it will want to end the refugees crisis as a result of their policies of always compromising with everyone (Turkey, Russia, etc). We live in a world full of Neville Chamberlain.

As for China, I do not see Europe going closer to it. On the other hand Russia is probably rather trying to get closer from us to escape the Chinese grip. I think the Northern hemisphere is currently busy deciding whether it will form two blocks (America-Europe, Russia-China) or three (America, Europe-Russia, China).
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Interesting. That is a kind of simplistic view though. I rather more see Europe splitting into two or three factions unto itself entirely (one pro-UK/US, one pro-EU/internationalist/China, and one pro-Russian; the latter of the three mainly due to militarism from Moscow). As for the rest of the world, who the **** knows. If Trump wins the USA will become the pariah of the world and may in fact - at long last - unite humanity and the world against him (hopefully not militarily and just culturally). Then you've got the Islam world, Arab world, Israel, and the radical islamists in the middle-east and the nation of Syria itself has fragmented into... I think it is five different factions now. Africa is Africa, also chaotic as **** and nobody seems to ever know what in the **** is going on down there. (Don't even get me started on North Korea and the drug war rants..........)
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
I rather more see Europe splitting into two or three factions unto itself entirely (one pro-UK/US, one pro-EU/internationalist/China, and one pro-Russian; the latter of the three mainly due to militarism from Moscow).
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I would love to see the EU explode, but this is not part of the diplomatic game (although Russia is pressing in this direction).

If Trump wins the USA will become the pariah of the world and may in fact - at long last - unite humanity and the world against him
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I doubt so. Presidents come and go, alliances last beyond that. Trump would do damages but he could not destroy decades of alliance. Remember that a few years ago the Republicans mounted on a xenophobe ostracization and boycott campaign against us (France) after our opposition to the Iraq war. A few years later things were healed.

Besides Trump's power will be limited and under control: a president has as much power as its administration give him, and Trump's position is fragile within his party so he cannot count on them to manipulate the administration. If he tried to do something big enough for this, his administration and party would simply cease to obey him or kill him.

As for the popular opinion, the USA brand is strong and cannot be tarnished in one day. And its soft power is immense; people will continue to watch US series and movies.


But it's true that Trump adds instability to the diplomatic game, already rendered unstable by the European mess and the new cold war. Maybe small causes could produce big consequences.

Then you've got the Islam world, Arab world, Israel, and the radical islamists in the middle-east and the nation of Syria itself has fragmented into... I think it is five different factions now. Africa is Africa, also chaotic as **** and nobody seems to ever know what in the **** is going on down there. (Don't even get me started on North Korea and the drug war rants..........)
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Of course, but they do not count: for now and the foreseeable future, they are more pawns than players. Besides I only spoke about the North, so it did not concern them (even though some of those countries are actually in the Northern hemisphere).
 
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