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Brexit begins: Theresa May takes axe to EU laws

Phoenix One UK said:
Huff and puff all you like Pete, but the fact remains that the UK Parliament remains sovereign, and no action by previous Parliament can bind the actions of any future Parliament. Translated that means the European Communities Act 1972 can be repealed by Parliament, which would result in taking the UK out of the EU, and it does not require invoking Article 50 to do it. once the European Communities Act 1972 is repealed, the UK membership of EU ends.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have a dinner engagement. Catch you later. :2wave:
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With your proven history of combobulating facts and logic to the point of making absurdity the ruling parameter of anything that is being discussed, one may utter the hope that you'll be stuck in eating forever. :2razz:
 
PeteEU said:
And you simply dont understand how things work. Article 50 and the European Communities Act 1972 have nothing to do with each other.

Yes to leave the EU, you have to remove the European Communities Act of 1972. That is a fact and well known. But without triggering article 50 and getting negotiations done and put away before leaving.. that would be absolutely catastrophic for the UK economy. No common market, no access.. no trade deals with anyone.. hell travelling as a Brit would be impossible as the UK would have no visa free travel with anyone and so on. The list of problems would massive. Even North Korea has deals with other countries.. the UK would have none and would have to sit down and negotiate with everyone.. and be in a piss poor position at that.
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Had to wait for your response before leaving. I believe what you are describing is called HARD BREXIT, and that is what I would like. And I am very far from being alone. I will respond to rest when I get back. :lamo
 
gunner said:
I'm just glad we have May, because I could envisage a far bigger balls up if one of the pro-leave buffoons was in charge!
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I share your stance.

Especially if one expands the buffoon concept to some of the "experts" spouting forth on here.

To claim that repealing the 1972 Act is all it takes to achieve Brexit (in substitution of actual "due process") is so blatantly absurd, it's a wonder how this thread ever managed to fly on that idiotic stance at all.

Baltim pretty much nails the real situation (possible internal repercussions included) in post #24.
 
Chagos said:
I share your stance.

Especially if one expands the buffoon concept to some of the "experts" spouting forth on here.

To claim that repealing the 1972 Act is all it takes to achieve Brexit (in substitution of actual "due process") is so blatantly absurd, it's a wonder how this thread ever managed to fly on that idiotic stance at all.

Baltim pretty much nails the real situation (possible internal repercussions included) in post #24.
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I'm sat watching the Sunday politics show, and I'm not getting that it what is in fact being said. IDS is suggesting it is part of the process, nothing more. Still, as the situation thus far has demonstrated, someone else may offer different interpretations. A cluster f*** spring to mind!
 
gunner said:
I'm sat watching the Sunday politics show, and I'm not getting that it what is in fact being said. IDS is suggesting it is part of the process, nothing more.
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That's the way I read it as well (both counts)
Still, as the situation thus far has demonstrated, someone else may offer different interpretations. A cluster f*** spring to mind!
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Yeah, I was referring more to the stream of idiocy expressed on here, although that admittedly appears to reflect the palpitations of some under-equipped "official" minds.

Nevertheless, something of a facepalm thread this here.:mrgreen:
 
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Chagos said:
That's the way I read it as well (both counts)Yeah, I was referring more to the stream of idiocy expressed on here, although that admittedly appears to reflect the palpitations of some under-equipped "official" minds.

Nevertheless, something of a facepalm thread this here.:mrgreen:
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Sounds like they are planning to put EU legislation in a legislative placeholder for the duration of the exit process. I don't see why it needs to be spun as a 'Great' piece of legislation but, if it gets the Home Counties Elite's rocks off, go for it.
 
William Rea said:
Sounds like they are planning to put EU legislation in a legislative placeholder for the duration of the exit process. I don't see why it needs to be spun as a 'Great' piece of legislation but, if it gets the Home Counties Elite's rocks off, go for it.
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Apparently, as we see here, not just theirs.

Isn't it fascinating how the ploy of selling masturbation off as the "real thing" never stops working?

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Theresa May (FULL) interview Andrew Marr (02/10/2016) - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b0kULuS5o8
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Added this one for those interested in hearing it direct from PM May. Make of it what you will.

For certain person who failed to notice, even PeteEU did not nor could not dispute that if the European Community act 1972 was repealed then the UK membership of EU would be terminated. Flip back for link to UK Parliament link supplied that supports that fundamental fact.

We then come to the triggering of Article 50, and reasons for doing so. It provides a cleaner break from the block that would benefit the UK and other EU member states. It also supplies the means to commence negotiations on terms that would benefit the UK and other EU member states. Note PeteEU overlooked one very important and simple fact. EU member states rely very heavily on UK market, and any who take the time will find that UK possesses a deficit with EU, which means EU member states export a great deal more to UK than UK exports to EU member states.

Oh hell, I am in demand today. Got to go.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Added this one for those interested in hearing it direct from PM May. Make of it what you will.

For certain person who failed to notice, even PeteEU did not nor could not dispute that if the European Community act 1972 was repealed then the UK membership of EU would be terminated. Flip back for link to UK Parliament link supplied that supports that fundamental fact.
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What some persons not familiar with your dishonest posting habits of the past may not notice, is that this instance of your prevarications is not the first one but, in fact, rather habitual.

To get some honesty back into the matter, Pete EU could not dispute what you claim he could not, on the simple grounds that he never attempted to. What was indeed stated with total justification was the undeniable fact that appeal of the 1972 European Community Act and invoking article 50 (the due process for leaving the EU) are two completely different things.

Thus, once again, you submit nothing other than pure straw manning.
We then come to the triggering of Article 50, and reasons for doing so.
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What we come to here is your utter incomprehension of legalities, nothing more.
It provides a cleaner break from the block that would benefit the UK and other EU member states.
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Whatever cleanliness or not it provides, it constitutes the leaving, first of all. Your supposition that (by implication) it is merely a purification process rather than actually being the only proper measure to effect leave is utter rubbish.
It also supplies the means to commence negotiations on terms that would benefit the UK and other EU member states.
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Since such negotiations are totally impossible by law without invoking article 50, one wonders what the heck of a point you think you're making here.
Note PeteEU overlooked one very important and simple fact. EU member states rely very heavily on UK market, and any who take the time will find that UK possesses a deficit with EU, which means EU member states export a great deal more to UK than UK exports to EU member states.
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What the bolded actually shows is yet another instance of your blatantly dishonest posting methods. The aspect you raise was not under discussion at all here, ever.
Oh hell, I am in demand today.
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Maybe those demanding you are not as acquainted with your conduct yet as we are.
Got to go.
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Agreed but your past promises wrt to that realization were as unworthy of being relied upon as is everything you have so far submitted in this thread.

To wit (for those unfamiliar with past occurrences of this very same nature):
Phoenix One UK said:
Yep, I am an idiot. I am in a debate with a Europhile who supported zip, and who is a JERK. I used the word JERK for reason. I am terminating my membership of this forum..........................~
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admittedly an excerpt, the remainder of that post snipped by me on account of lacking in pertinence as much as most everything else.
 
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The Great Repeal Bill a Bold Move by Theresa May
The Telegraph


[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]B[/FONT]rexit most definitely means Brexit. Theresa May will prove that on Sunday at the Tory conference in Birmingham by announcing that the Government intends to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 (ECA) via a Great Repeal Bill.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This does not mark the end of our membership of the EU but, rather, is part of the mechanics of withdrawal.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Parliament will have its say, which is as it should be. But if anyone imagines that they can use this process to stop Brexit through the Commons or Lords then that delusion needs to be cast aside. Repeal of the ECA means this is definitely happening. Which, of course, is what the British people voted for. . . . [/FONT]
 
Honey, I am home! :lamo

Now, what have we here? Hmm, should of guessed. Chagos ! I would be a bigger idiot than I was if I paid any attention to him again! :roll:

Not biting. :) :2wave:
 
Sorry about cutting it short again, but my services seem to be in demand today for some reason. Now, ignoring the you know who (see previous post if in doubt). I will repeat what I thought bloody obvious, though it is nice to see others posting here who are not blind nor suffering from tunnel vision.

I had been an anti EU activist in UK since 1997. I am now retired, and reason for such retirement should of itself be obvious. The UK had its EU in/out referendum with majority of British people voting out. Makes no difference by how many, as even if the majority was by one, the outcome would still be the same. Leave won, end of.

The EU is not Europe. The first is a custom Union with second a Continent. I am not anti Europe just anti EU. I have family all over the world, especially in Europe (mainly Italy). I love Italy, and France, though I did not like Paris itself. But then, I never did like any city be it London or Paris or even Sydney, though even here there are exceptions. Rome being one.

The point being made or trying to be made is that I consider people from other parts of Europe as friends the UK should keep. We do not need to be in the EU for that. Business/trade will continue, and life goes on, though now we can do it without the EU. We have enough problems with our own government, which we can vote out if they fail in performing the job entrusted to them by people who elected them.

Have a nice day everyone. Been a long day, and I am going to have some fun.
 
Yeah, good idea to not respond when the idiocy of one's own positions is pointed out. Well, it's been pointed out anyway and running away changes nothing in that.

As to biting, that would require teeth. If one doesn't show to have any it gets kind of laughable when one claims to not bite.

Of course one doesn't :lamo:lamo
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Sorry about cutting it short again, but my services seem to be in demand today for some reason. Now, ignoring the you know who (see previous post if in doubt). I will repeat what I thought bloody obvious, though it is nice to see others posting here who are not blind nor suffering from tunnel vision.
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It's always nice to see those, especially in a thread started by someone as apparently blind as he likes to accuse others of being.

I had been an anti EU activist in UK since 1997. I am now retired, and reason for such retirement should of itself be obvious.
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With the leave camp already having to bear its amount of lying and information distortion within own ranks, the reasons are indeed pretty obvious. :roll:

Fortunately the referendum is done and thus threads like these won't cause much harm to ambitions of the leave camp anymore.
 
Chagos said:
It's always nice to see those, especially in a thread started by someone as apparently blind as he likes to accuse others of being.

With the leave camp already having to bear its amount of lying and information distortion within own ranks, the reasons are indeed pretty obvious. :roll:

Fortunately the referendum is done and thus threads like these won't cause much harm to ambitions of the leave camp anymore.
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Seems pretty straightforward. From the link in #35:

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[FONT=&quot]Some historic changes to British law may remain if so desired; repeal of the ECA is not what will extract us from the EU. But, of course, repeal does serve a critical practical purpose. It means EU treaties will cease to form part of our law and the European Court’s jurisdiction over us will end.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When Brexit officially happens the UK will be ready for independence the very day that it comes. Mrs May’s embrace of this programmesuggests that the forces behind the Leave campaign might have significant influence. It was they who proposed repeal as part of their blueprint for Brexit towards the end of the referendum. It was also a group of senior Tories who suggested it in a recent report that argued Britain could complete withdrawal well within the two years stipulated by the triggering of Article 50.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]This is heady stuff. It is bound to face opposition. The Europeans may argue that Britain has no right to repeal a bilateral treaty.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Remainers in Parliament may decide this is their chance to scupper the whole process. Both sides would do well to acknowledge the will of the people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The last government clearly stated that it would enact the outcome of the referendum. As the process begins in earnest, it will become obvious that, to borrow a phrase associated with Margaret Thatcher, there is no alternative.[/FONT]

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Chagos said:
Yeah, good idea to not respond when the idiocy of one's own positions is pointed out. Well, it's been pointed out anyway and running away changes nothing in that.

As to biting, that would require teeth. If one doesn't show to have any it gets kind of laughable when one claims to not bite.

Of course one doesn't :lamo:lamo
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Gotcha! :lamo:lamo

I had been involved within debates on forums that attracted hundreds if not thousands of views in a single day. My thread started with Sun site with regard Lisbon treaty gained in excess of 34,000 views and hundreds of posters within a week. It contributed to petition raised that saw a number of Labour MPs under the then Labour government of Gordon Brown personally deliver a petition from the people for a referendum on Lisbon treaty, which the people never did get. Fact is, of the then 27 member states in EU only Ireland had a referendum on Lisbon treaty, which they rejected only to have them compelled to vote on it again.

Do you recall what I called you prior to leaving last time? Well, I am not taking it back. You are what I said you are. :mrgreen:
 
Auvergnat said:
I understand that you are angry about some of your compatriots and politicians over internal Brexit disputes, but from now on the future of YOUR country is at stake and you certainly do understand that delaying the invocation of the article 50 until after the negotiations are completed is the best for your country. So why bash your politicians about something you know is good and why ask them to put your country at the mercy of other Euroepan leaders who desire to make an example out of you?

Are bitterness and petty political and personal considerations worth destroying your own country in your eyes?
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GB is on the way to a Norway style relationship with the EU whether it likes it or not. Why should the EU treat them any differently than Norway? You think France should do the same? What is so attractive about paying and doing the same as a EU country but getting no say in Brussels?

As an EEA member, we do not participate in decision-making in Brussels, but we loyally abide by Brussels’ decisions. We have incorporated approximately three-quarters of all EU legislative acts into Norwegian legislation – and counting. We have legally secured access to the single market, and we practise the free movement of people, goods, services and capital. Norway is more closely integrated into many aspects of the EU than even some of the EU’s members. Our subscription to freedom of movement and our membership of the Schengen area means that Norway has even higher per capita immigration than Britain.

Those campaigning for Britain to leave the EU and chose the Norwegian way can hence correctly claim that a country can retain access to the single market from outside the EU. What is normally not said, however, is that this also means retaining all the EU’s product standards, financial regulations, employment regulations, and substantial contributions to the EU budget. A Britain choosing this track would, in other words, keep paying, it would be “run by Brussels”, and it would remain committed to the four freedoms, including free movement.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Gotcha! :lamo:lamo
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I was almost going to congratulate you on having located your dentures after all, but what follows
I had been involved within debates on forums that attracted hundreds if not thousands of views in a single day. My thread started with Sun site with regard Lisbon treaty gained in excess of 34,000 views and hundreds of posters within a week. It contributed to petition raised that saw a number of Labour MPs under the then Labour government of Gordon Brown personally deliver a petition from the people for a referendum on Lisbon treaty, which the people never did get. Fact is, of the then 27 member states in EU only Ireland had a referendum on Lisbon treaty, which they rejected only to have them compelled to vote on it again.
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shows that whatever you meanwhile inserted must be something else. :mrgreen:

Do you recall what I called you prior to leaving last time? Well, I am not taking it back. You are what I said you are. :mrgreen:
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Well, not repeating it is prudent in view of forum regulations. But since we're on the topic of what you said yourself, just be reminded
Phoenix One UK said:
Yep, I am an idiot..........................~
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I certainly won't argue with that one. :2razz:
 
iguanaman said:
There is no indication that there will be a vote in France on leaving.
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I did not say otherwise. But your premise was an exited France would be treated like Norway. In fact, an exited France would end the EU.
 
To remind yet again of the idiocy of the stance leading to creation of this thread, here's the OP again (as in opening post)
Phoenix One UK said:
I just raised this within another thread, though siting another national publication (Express). Further, contrary to many opinions, the negotiating of terms had already started, and it did not need to execute article 50 to do so.
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The obtuseness (intentional or accidental) showing in the statement that's bolded, says it all.

Just to keep on track, negotiations of (on) conditions of leaving have not started anywhere and can only be commenced once article 50 is invoked.

In order to invoke that, the act has to comply with the constitutionality of law of the country invoking.

For that to happen (in this case) the UK parliament has to pass the "Great Repeal Act" because the referendum result all on its own does not provide a legal basis for invoking article 50.

By British law, nothing to do with EU or any negotiations with same over conditions of leaving.
 
Jack Hays said:
I did not say otherwise. But your premise was an exited France would be treated like Norway. In fact, an exited France would end the EU.
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Where not proven, it's highly likely.
 
Jack Hays said:
Seems pretty straightforward. From the link in #35:
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Oh it is (as I've also explained in # 47).

What's also pretty straightforward is the OP's obvious incapacity of understanding what's happening.
 
Chagos said:
To remind yet again of the idiocy of the stance leading to creation of this thread, here's the OP again (as in opening post)The obtuseness (intentional or accidental) showing in the statement that's bolded, says it all.

Just to keep on track, negotiations of (on) conditions of leaving have not started anywhere and can only be commenced once article 50 is invoked.

In order to invoke that, the act has to comply with the constitutionality of law of the country invoking.

For that to happen (in this case) the UK parliament has to pass the "Great Repeal Act" because the referendum result all on its own does not provide a legal basis for invoking article 50.

By British law, nothing to do with EU or any negotiations with same over conditions of leaving.
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Yep, that is what I said, and I stand by it. :roll:

Chagos really likes me! :lamo:lamo
 
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