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Britain's Johnson: Russia Risks Becoming A 'Pariah' State

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Britain's Johnson: Russia Risks Becoming A 'Pariah' State

October 01, 2016

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Britain's Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson


Britain's new Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said Russia risks becoming a "pariah" state because of its air strikes on Syrian civilian targets.

"They drop one bomb and then they wait for the aid workers to come out, civilian people pulling the injured from the rubble, and then five minutes later they drop another bomb," Johnson said in an interview with Britain's Sun newspaper on September 30. "We have evidence. We have good ground to believe that the Russians themselves have been doing that," he said. "We are trying to document that fully because that is in my view unquestionably a war crime."

A watchdog report on September 30 blamed nearly 10,000 civilians deaths on Russian strikes in the past year.

Johnson said Britain and the United States are looking at a "range of options" to ramp up pressure on Moscow, but "the single most potent weapon we have is shame." "The world's attitude towards Russia has been hardening and I think people now believe that Russia is in danger of becoming a pariah nation."

"In the end, if [President Vladimir] Putin's strategy is the greatness and glory of Russia, then he risks seeing that turned to ashes as people view his actions with contempt."
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And the Putin/Assad carnage continues...

Dateline: 10.01.2016 8am GMT Syria conflict: Aleppo hospital 'hit by barrel bombs'



Related: Jets Are Targeting Syria’s Volunteer Rescue Workers

Why Are There No Consequences For Military Attacks On Aid Workers?

Stories from inside Aleppo: 'It feels like we are in prison'
 
Simpleχity;1066374365 said:
Britain's Johnson: Russia Risks Becoming A 'Pariah' State


And the Putin/Assad carnage continues...

Dateline: 10.01.2016 8am GMT Syria conflict: Aleppo hospital 'hit by barrel bombs'



Related: Jets Are Targeting Syria’s Volunteer Rescue Workers

Why Are There No Consequences For Military Attacks On Aid Workers?

Stories from inside Aleppo: 'It feels like we are in prison'
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I think that the USA risks becoming a "pariah State" because we are the group that instigated, funded, armed, trained, and still support head choppers like al Nusra Front/ISIS/ahrar al Sham in Aleppo and other areas of Syria. US agitators, US weapons, US intrigues. Careful of Blowback, don't ya' know? The USA and Turkey are the invaders in Syria, ergo not a Civil War.
 
It is like one pariah calling another one for a.. pariah.

No one takes Boris Johnson seriously, which is why the US let him push this narrative. You get the words out there, but not in any real serious official way... but the political shot over the bow happened without any blowback. That is why the US is using the UK as their mouthpiece at the moment.
 
Can always count on you two to totally ignore Russian war crimes while bashing the US.
 
Simpleχity;1066374494 said:
Can always count on you two to totally ignore Russian war crimes while bashing the US.
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Funny that you accuse someone of ignoring things. I don't remember an endless stream of threads with you crying and posting about for instance the bombing and shelling of Ukrainian towns by its own government.

Your preoccupation with cheap propaganda attempts on the pages of DP is so glaringly obvious that imo it borders some kind of a mental disorder/obsession.

Fallen.
 
PeteEU said:
It is like one pariah calling another one for a.. pariah.

No one takes Boris Johnson seriously, which is why the US let him push this narrative. You get the words out there, but not in any real serious official way... but the political shot over the bow happened without any blowback. That is why the US is using the UK as their mouthpiece at the moment.
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You mean, I am sure, that there are idiots that don't take Johnson seriously and, of course, people that have never had to hold responsible positions at his level or even compete for them.
 
Fallenangel said:
Funny that you accuse someone of ignoring things. I don't remember an endless stream of threads with you crying and posting about for instance the bombing and shelling of Ukrainian towns by its own government.

Your preoccupation with cheap propaganda attempts on the pages of DP is so glaringly obvious that imo it borders some kind of a mental disorder/obsession.

Fallen.
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Whose country shelled and bombed Ukraine other than Ukraine and Russia?
 
joG said:
Whose country shelled and bombed Ukraine other than Ukraine and Russia?
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Huh?!? I thought English was your first language.

I'll repeat:
"I don't remember an endless stream of threads with you crying and posting about for instance the bombing and shelling of Ukrainian towns by its own government."

Fallen.
 
DaveFagan said:
I think that the USA risks becoming a "pariah State" because we are the group that instigated, funded, armed, trained, and still support head choppers like al Nusra Front/ISIS/ahrar al Sham in Aleppo and other areas of Syria. US agitators, US weapons, US intrigues. Careful of Blowback, don't ya' know? The USA and Turkey are the invaders in Syria, ergo not a Civil War.
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You are right that the US should have made sure that Assad's regime was removed immediately and the UN took responsibility for stabilising the travers back to order.
 
Fallenangel said:
Huh?!? I thought English was your first language.

I'll repeat:
"I don't remember an endless stream of threads with you crying and posting about for instance the bombing and shelling of Ukrainian towns by its own government."

Fallen.
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I misread the sentence, I guess. Then you are in fact right. Ukraine did resist Russian intervention with the means of non linear war on Ukrainian soil.
 
DaveFagan said:
I think that the USA risks becoming a "pariah State" because we are the group that instigated, funded, armed, trained, and still support head choppers like al Nusra Front/ISIS/ahrar al Sham in Aleppo and other areas of Syria. US agitators, US weapons, US intrigues. Careful of Blowback, don't ya' know? The USA and Turkey are the invaders in Syria, ergo not a Civil War.
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:roll:

Dave, when you have an argument, you need this thing called "proof". You don't have any; hence your argument doesn't work.
 
DaveFagan said:
I think that the USA risks becoming a "pariah State" because we are the group that instigated, funded, armed, trained, and still support head choppers like al Nusra Front/ISIS/ahrar al Sham in Aleppo and other areas of Syria. US agitators, US weapons, US intrigues. Careful of Blowback, don't ya' know? The USA and Turkey are the invaders in Syria, ergo not a Civil War.
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Funny how you so often take that kind of 1968 position. Why do you refuse to think these things through. It's like Marxism, you see? If you believe these things as a young man it is noble.
 
joG said:
You mean, I am sure, that there are idiots that don't take Johnson seriously and, of course, people that have never had to hold responsible positions at his level or even compete for them.
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No one takes Johnson seriously.. sure he has a title, but it is a washed down title as the foreign department is split between 3 men due to Brexit.. for **** sake he has to share the official residence with the 2 others! Add to that his previous antics and his role in Brexit (which he regrets it seems), then he has zero credibility other than what comes with the job.
 
joG said:
I misread the sentence, I guess. Then you are in fact right. Ukraine did resist Russian intervention with the means of non linear war on Ukrainian soil.
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What is "non-linear war", another fancy resurrected word (like "hybrid warfare") used by people that couldn't/still can't even grasp the origins and chronology of the conflict?!?

Ukrainian shelling and bombing of its own towns is not resistance to a "Russian intervention", especially as it started long before the appearance of any meaningful Russian forces in Donbass.

Fallen.
 
Fallenangel said:
Ukrainian shelling and bombing of its own towns is not resistance to a "Russian intervention", especially as it started long before the appearance of any meaningful Russian forces in Donbass.
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How quickly (and conveniently) you forget Russian "pacification" in Chechnya and the Caucuses. Grozny ring any bells?

And that was basically moderately armed locals. Nothing like the artillery, tanks, and Grad rocket launchers that Russia has supplied its Donbas rebels with.

I wonder what Russia would do if someone invaded Krasnodar Krai with 'little green men' as Russia did in Crimea/Donbas?

No need to wonder much. The world saw how Moscow responded to the incident in Beslan.

The world is now seeing Russian barbarity in Syria. Not even the stoic Ki Ban-moon can silently stomach what is happening to Aleppo.
 
Simpleχity;1066374774 said:
How quickly (and conveniently) you forget Russian "pacification" in Chechnya and the Caucuses. Grozny ring any bells?

And that was basically moderately armed locals. Nothing like the artillery, tanks, and Grad rocket launchers that Russia has supplied its Donbas rebels with.

I wonder what Russia would do if someone invaded Krasnodar Krai with 'little green men' as Russia did in Crimea/Donbas?

No need to wonder much. The world saw how Moscow responded to the incident in Beslan.

The world is now seeing Russian barbarity in Syria. Not even the stoic Ki Ban-moon can silently stomach what is happening to Aleppo.
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Actually, contrary to your hypocritical cries I've always thought that the Chechen wars were criminal ones, especially the first one that was at the origin of most of the following issues in the region and Russia. I don't support the Russian operation in Syria either, as in my opinion in its current form it lacks transparent and reachable goals.

However, note that you haven't answered my question, I guess because the answer is quite obvious - you are simply so butthurtly obsessed with demonizing Russia that you don't really care about anything else. While slowly drowning in your own fantasies, you constantly complain about my support of Russia but "who the **** are you to lecture me?" or Russia, when you are prepared to close your eyes on any evil, wrongdoing or crime that doesn't fit with your little crusade goals.


Fallen.
 
joG said:
You are right that the US should have made sure that Assad's regime was removed immediately and the UN took responsibility for stabilising the travers back to order.
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No!! The USA has no business in Syria. We have not been asked to help. We illegally occupy ground and air in Syria. 6 or 7 thousand miles away and noone has attacked the USA. We are creating a war to effect a regime change in a Nation that supports the current regime. Of course, all the Media Mainstream propaganda outlets will scream that Assad is a brutal dictator and the personification of the devil himself. The worst part is that the propaganda stream is very effective. If the news you see/hear is not from an independent investigative reporter, you are ill informed.
 
Simpleχity;1066374494 said:
Can always count on you two to totally ignore Russian war crimes while bashing the US.
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I believe he was talking about the UK, which IS pretty much holding the EU hostage at the moment.
 
PeteEU said:
No one takes Johnson seriously.. sure he has a title, but it is a washed down title as the foreign department is split between 3 men due to Brexit.. for **** sake he has to share the official residence with the 2 others! Add to that his previous antics and his role in Brexit (which he regrets it seems), then he has zero credibility other than what comes with the job.
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It is rather an arrogant standpoint not to take someone seriously, that made it to Lord Major and is now foreign minister of one of the more developed countries in the world. But you are right, there are fools that do not take him seriously. They didn't before the referendum either and are now faced by Brexit. As I say, idiots one and all.
 
joG said:
It is rather an arrogant standpoint not to take someone seriously, that made it to Lord Major and is now foreign minister of one of the more developed countries in the world.
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Lord Mayor means absolutely nothing outside the UK. Only thing that matters is him dangling in a harness across the Themes waving a British flag and looking like a baffon. Only thing that matters, is his stance on Europe and his isolationism. He is a joke pure and simple.
 
DaveFagan said:
No!! The USA has no business in Syria. We have not been asked to help. We illegally occupy ground and air in Syria. 6 or 7 thousand miles away and noone has attacked the USA. We are creating a war to effect a regime change in a Nation that supports the current regime. Of course, all the Media Mainstream propaganda outlets will scream that Assad is a brutal dictator and the personification of the devil himself. The worst part is that the propaganda stream is very effective. If the news you see/hear is not from an independent investigative reporter, you are ill informed.
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I know the Good and Bleeding Hearts Arguments of the Peace Now people. It is just, that those theories do not work. They do not use rational arguments preferring the false types that disregard the maths like they did with MAD. Had the country followed them in the 1960s, we would have already had a major war and probably a nuclear war. It is like with domestic crime. If a town lets it grow the rest of the nation is hurt. This is why the FBI works cases two thousand miles away from DC.

In principal this is, what you see happening in international security.Only, the structure is more like in the American West of the 1850s.
 
DaveFagan said:
No!! The USA has no business in Syria. We have not been asked to help. We illegally occupy ground and air in Syria. 6 or 7 thousand miles away and noone has attacked the USA. We are creating a war to effect a regime change in a Nation that supports the current regime. Of course, all the Media Mainstream propaganda outlets will scream that Assad is a brutal dictator and the personification of the devil himself. The worst part is that the propaganda stream is very effective. If the news you see/hear is not from an independent investigative reporter, you are ill informed.
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Assad cannot stabilize the country, even Russia officially acknowledged and only presents him as as a temporary patch (with dubious success chance).

Syria is divided between Sunnis (80%) and Shias and others (20%). Assad represents the minority and Syria has been the heart of an ethnic war during the past years. This war was not started by the USA and its roots are in the rise of conflicts between Sunnis and Shias, a by-product of the global rise of Islamic religiosity, radicalism and fundamentalism. Moreover the rule of the Assads had been threatened since decades and it was fated to end, and the new heir never managed to gain a solid footing. So this is first and foremost a Syrian conflict. Finally the USA are not the dominant player in this war, far from it, with Saudi Arabia (Sunni), Turkey (Sunni but focused on Kurds), ISIS (Sunni but enemy of other Sunnis), Russia (Assad) and Iran (Assad) being very active.

I assume you are American. So imagine if the USA had been led for the past fifty years by a family of Afro-American dictators backed by the Asians and Latinos, now at war since years because whites, comprising 80% of the population again, wanted to rule. And imagine if both sides had been slaughtering each other for the past years, with ethnic cleansings and terror on both sides. Do you really think that cutting support to the white groups would bring peace?
 
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A veritable demonstration of ignorance on what actually caused the conflict in Syria.
 
Auvergnat said:
Assad cannot stabilize the country, even Russia officially acknowledged and only presents him as as a temporary patch (with dubious success chance).

Syria is divided between Sunnis (80%) and Shias and others (20%). Assad represents the minority and Syria has been the heart of an ethnic war during the past years. This war was not started by the USA and its roots are in the rise of conflicts between Sunnis and Shias, a by-product of the global rise of Islamic religiosity, radicalism and fundamentalism. Moreover the rule of the Assads had been threatened since decades and it was fated to end, and the new heir never managed to gain a solid footing. So this is first and foremost a Syrian conflict. Finally the USA are not the dominant player in this war, far from it, with Saudi Arabia (Sunni), Turkey (Sunni but focused on Kurds), ISIS (Sunni but enemy of other Sunnis), Russia (Assad) and Iran (Assad) being very active.

I assume you are American. So imagine if the USA had been led for the past fifty years by a family of Afro-American dictators backed by the Asians and Latinos, now at war since years because whites, comprising 80% of the population again, wanted to rule. And imagine if both sides had been slaughtering each other for the past years, with ethnic cleansings and terror on both sides. Do you really think that cutting support to the white groups would bring peace?
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Let us use the brutal hand of Saddam Hussein as an analogy. Saddam was ruthless and had created a cosmopolitan Muslim Nation where women actually taught in Universities and the populace enjoyed a relatively stable lifestyle. Saddam and the 30% Sunni population of Iraq ruled that Nation. It was no utopia but one must admit it was 50 times better then than now. This "now" is after 12 years of occupation by the same groups that want to "fix" Syria. The group also "fixed" Libya. They are "fixing" Afghanistan. They "fixed" Egypt now a military dictatorship. A million dead in Iraq in these 12 years. Another million in Syria and Libya. Millions of refugees created by these same policies. That's the reality on the ground and if you think this type of policy helps the people in the afflicted Nations. USA/CIA/Pentagon funding, training, and arms are supporting the insurgencies that create these huge instabilities that lead to chaos, destruction and death and then the Big Energy Corporations can divide up the booty. OIL, gas, pipelines, refineries, ports, etc. Not to mention that the first profits of wars go to the energy to transport weapons and logistics. These wars are not about creating stability. Au contraire.
 
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