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The Kremlin really believes Hillary Clinton will start a war with Russia

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The Kremlin really believes Hillary Clinton will start a war with Russia

In a speech last month nominally about Donald Trump, Clinton called Russian President Vladimir Putin the godfather of right-wing, extreme nationalism. To Kremlin-watchers, those were not random epithets. Two years earlier, in the most famous address of his career, Putin accused the West of backing an armed seizure of power in Ukraine by "extremists, nationalists, and right-wingers." Clinton had not merely insulted Russia's president: She had done so in his own words.

Worse, they were words originally directed at neo-Nazis. In Moscow, this was seen as a reprise of Clinton's comments comparing Putin to Hitler. It injected an element of personal animus into an already strained relationship - but, more importantly, it set up Putin as the representative of an ideology that is fundamentally opposed to the United States.

Even as relations between Russia and the West have sunk to new lows in the wake of 2014's revolution in Ukraine, the Kremlin has long contended that a Cold War II is impossible. That's because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a fundamental ideological struggle dividing East and West. To Russian ears, Clinton seemed determined in her speech to provide this missing ingredient for bipolar enmity, painting Moscow as the vanguard for racism, intolerance, and misogyny around the globe.

What she says about Russia may be somewhat true, but you cannot fight extremism with extremism, period. This is why I am so against the Upper Class holding the highest offices in the land - they do not consider the consequences of their actions and how they will affect the rest of us, because they are very rarely affected like we are. Just leave Russia alone, a lot of this started because of Bush-era idiocy and Hillary's appraised Russian reset. I just don't understand why Hillary Clinton would want a war with Russia, or why the Kremlin would think so, since - according to the video above - they're such good friends... :roll:
 
What she says about Russia may be somewhat true, but you cannot fight extremism with extremism, period. This is why I am so against the Upper Class holding the highest offices in the land - they do not consider the consequences of their actions and how they will affect the rest of us, because they are very rarely affected like we are. Just leave Russia alone, a lot of this started because of Bush-era idiocy and Hillary's appraised Russian reset. I just don't understand why Hillary Clinton would want a war with Russia, or why the Kremlin would think so, since - according to the video above - they're such good friends... :roll:

If you look at everything Hillary has said, and what she has been a part of under the Obama admin, it's actually very reasonable that Hillary wants some kind of conflict with Russia. That's just a fact. The reality is, Obama and Hillary have already committed acts of war against Russia be imposing sanctions on them. IMO, sanctions are an act of war, in and of themselves.

Also, she's extremely ignorant of history and what it means to compare a Russian to Hitler. That's just stupid beyond stupid.
 
The Kremlin really believes Hillary Clinton will start a war with Russia

In a speech last month nominally about Donald Trump, Clinton called Russian President Vladimir Putin the godfather of right-wing, extreme nationalism. To Kremlin-watchers, those were not random epithets. Two years earlier, in the most famous address of his career, Putin accused the West of backing an armed seizure of power in Ukraine by "extremists, nationalists, and right-wingers." Clinton had not merely insulted Russia's president: She had done so in his own words.

Worse, they were words originally directed at neo-Nazis. In Moscow, this was seen as a reprise of Clinton's comments comparing Putin to Hitler. It injected an element of personal animus into an already strained relationship - but, more importantly, it set up Putin as the representative of an ideology that is fundamentally opposed to the United States.

Even as relations between Russia and the West have sunk to new lows in the wake of 2014's revolution in Ukraine, the Kremlin has long contended that a Cold War II is impossible. That's because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a fundamental ideological struggle dividing East and West. To Russian ears, Clinton seemed determined in her speech to provide this missing ingredient for bipolar enmity, painting Moscow as the vanguard for racism, intolerance, and misogyny around the globe.

What she says about Russia may be somewhat true, but you cannot fight extremism with extremism, period. This is why I am so against the Upper Class holding the highest offices in the land - they do not consider the consequences of their actions and how they will affect the rest of us, because they are very rarely affected like we are. Just leave Russia alone, a lot of this started because of Bush-era idiocy and Hillary's appraised Russian reset. I just don't understand why Hillary Clinton would want a war with Russia, or why the Kremlin would think so, since - according to the video above - they're such good friends... :roll:

All of this, whatever that might be, probably didn't start because of Bush. Other than the anti-Bushies believe neither was he evil nor was he the one to start the fire. It has been burning a long time and all one can do is let it burn or try to fight it.
 
Everyone thinks Putin is some evil genius. He ain't.

He's just trying to stay in power. He can read the tea leaves - he sees Trump as an insurgent candidate that can win. Why not position yourself to look like you had something to do with it if he does.

Hillary is an old school hawk with a penchant to settle scores. She is unhealthy with a half wit for a VP. Russia is trying to make alliances with China and Iran, neither one they trust. At least the USA is predictable. His drive for buffer states also protect Russia from China and Iran. They take a longer view than we do.
 
Everyone thinks Putin is some evil genius. He ain't.

He's just trying to stay in power. He can read the tea leaves - he sees Trump as an insurgent candidate that can win. Why not position yourself to look like you had something to do with it if he does.

Hillary is an old school hawk with a penchant to settle scores. She is unhealthy with a half wit for a VP. Russia is trying to make alliances with China and Iran, neither one they trust. At least the USA is predictable. His drive for buffer states also protect Russia from China and Iran. They take a longer view than we do.

What a middle-school take on urrent events. If the teacher is a moron.
 
I find it highly unlikely that the Chicago Tribune knows, even by accident, what in the hell Russia wants.
 
The Kremlin really believes Hillary Clinton will start a war with Russia

In a speech last month nominally about Donald Trump, Clinton called Russian President Vladimir Putin the godfather of right-wing, extreme nationalism. To Kremlin-watchers, those were not random epithets. Two years earlier, in the most famous address of his career, Putin accused the West of backing an armed seizure of power in Ukraine by "extremists, nationalists, and right-wingers." Clinton had not merely insulted Russia's president: She had done so in his own words.

Worse, they were words originally directed at neo-Nazis. In Moscow, this was seen as a reprise of Clinton's comments comparing Putin to Hitler. It injected an element of personal animus into an already strained relationship - but, more importantly, it set up Putin as the representative of an ideology that is fundamentally opposed to the United States.

Even as relations between Russia and the West have sunk to new lows in the wake of 2014's revolution in Ukraine, the Kremlin has long contended that a Cold War II is impossible. That's because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a fundamental ideological struggle dividing East and West. To Russian ears, Clinton seemed determined in her speech to provide this missing ingredient for bipolar enmity, painting Moscow as the vanguard for racism, intolerance, and misogyny around the globe.

What she says about Russia may be somewhat true, but you cannot fight extremism with extremism, period. This is why I am so against the Upper Class holding the highest offices in the land - they do not consider the consequences of their actions and how they will affect the rest of us, because they are very rarely affected like we are. Just leave Russia alone, a lot of this started because of Bush-era idiocy and Hillary's appraised Russian reset. I just don't understand why Hillary Clinton would want a war with Russia, or why the Kremlin would think so, since - according to the video above - they're such good friends... :roll:
My first reaction when I read the thread title was, "I don't believe that.", so I read the article seeking proof it was incorrect, and lo-and-behold I found it in the very first paragraph. So, sorry, the article, the title of the article, and hence the thread itself, are intentionally misleading lies.

Article title: The Kremlin really believes Hillary Clinton will start a war with Russia

First paragraph: If Hillary Clinton is elected president, the world will remember Aug. 25 as the day she began the Second Cold War.

It's an intentional lie-by-omission. A war and a cold war are not the same thing, and any reasonably objective person knows this. I don't believe Hillary wants to start a cold war, either, nor do I believe the Kremlin believes she wants to, but I take offense at the cheap attempt to sensationalize just to get people to read and/or react. How can I trust the writer or the publication when they resort to cheap tactics like this. Now, everything they say is dubious.
 
My first reaction when I read the thread title was, "I don't believe that.", so I read the article seeking proof it was incorrect, and lo-and-behold I found it in the very first paragraph. So, sorry, the article, the title of the article, and hence the thread itself, are intentionally misleading lies.

Article title: The Kremlin really believes Hillary Clinton will start a war with Russia

First paragraph: If Hillary Clinton is elected president, the world will remember Aug. 25 as the day she began the Second Cold War.

It's an intentional lie-by-omission. A war and a cold war are not the same thing, and any reasonably objective person knows this. I don't believe Hillary wants to start a cold war, either, nor do I believe the Kremlin believes she wants to, but I take offense at the cheap attempt to sensationalize just to get people to read and/or react. How can I trust the writer or the publication when they resort to cheap tactics like this. Now, everything they say is dubious.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything - so why are you saying "sorry"? A bit condescending and childish, and kind of nasty. Your unsubstantiated and ad hominem attacks calling me an unreasonable liar are also noted.

By the way, a Cold War is still a war. Semantics don't work on me. Nice try.
 
I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything - so why are you saying "sorry"? A bit condescending and childish, and kind of nasty. Your unsubstantiated and ad hominem attacks calling me an unreasonable liar are also noted.

By the way, a Cold War is still a war. Semantics don't work on me. Nice try.
Right on cue (I knew someone would say this). And with this last part you confirm my point, it is "not the same thing", which is precisely why I said "reasonably objective" person. Your claimed offended status is weak and unconvincing.

Do you seriously not know that a cold war and a shooting war are not the same thing? Seriously?
 
Right on cue (I knew someone would say this). And with this last part you confirm my point, it is "not the same thing", which is precisely why I said "reasonably objective" person. Your claimed offended status is weak and unconvincing.

:lol: I never claimed that. Fine. Gloves off. Let's do this. I'm not afraid of you or your text on a screen. Go ahead, pick a fight, see what happens.

Do you seriously not know that a cold war and a shooting war are not the same thing? Seriously?

No, seriously, I never, seriously, claimed that a ****ing Cold War and a shooting war are not the same ****ing, seriously, thing. HERPDERP! Do you really think I am that ****ing stupid? The only thing I am offended by are your asinine posts attempting to pick a fight with someone who posted an article that "you don't like the way the first paragraph looks on".

:lamo
 
:lol: I never claimed that. Fine. Gloves off. Let's do this. I'm not afraid of you or your text on a screen. Go ahead, pick a fight, see what happens.



No, seriously, I never, seriously, claimed that a ****ing Cold War and a shooting war are not the same ****ing, seriously, thing. HERPDERP! Do you really think I am that ****ing stupid? The only thing I am offended by are your asinine posts attempting to pick a fight with someone who posted an article that "you don't like the way the first paragraph looks on".

:lamo
Heh. Pick a fight? No. I left junior high decades ago... and never looked back. I just calls 'em as I sees 'em. Deal with it.

Should you post something substantive, I may or may not comment, but if all you're going to do is posture like a rooster with a hard-on, like you did here, you're going to be lonely.
 
Heh. Pick a fight? No. I left junior high decades ago... and never looked back. I just calls 'em as I sees 'em. Deal with it.

Should you post something substantive, I may or may not comment, but if all you're going to do is posture like a rooster with a hard-on, like you did here, you're going to be lonely.

As expected, you are nothing but hot-air. You called nothing. Your post was the equivalent of a Pigeon interrupting a chessgame and ****ting all over the board.
 
Good. I don't want a President who wants to play buddy buddy with Putin.

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