Daniel Pipes appears to disagree with you (I don't care about the poster that re-floats this crap, seeing how I never respond to him).
He says that he could go there and that things look in order, this does not contradict anything I said. And, no, I do not know him, some American medias' figure I guess?
The police does not ordinarily go there, hence why it IS a no-go zone. But white people can and many do live there, as I already clarified it myself. I didn't pretend either that it was Mad Max, only that the society in those places is not acceptable by French standards because of the Arabic cultures and Islam, because of racism, lawlessness, misogyny and totalitarianism.
Migrants who want to become immigrants collect themselves because of language similarity. It is a common social phenomenon.
Sure, excepted that:
- The Asian and Arabic blocks cannot be compared. Asians recently protested to have more police while Muslims make songs about their fantasies of killing cops. Asians share similar values to ours and many white people own shops in their blocks. The racism against white people is not important in Asian blocks, it is violent and normal in Muslim blocks.
- It is easy to say that it is fine to have foreign neighborhoods when you are not the one who has to live there. One or two may be an acceptable sacrifice, but there are hundreds of Muslim areas, and millions of French people have to live there, as a minority in their own country. And it is very hard to be a minority among Muslims, far more than being a Muslim in France. What justifies this sacrifice?
- The social norms in Muslim blocks are simply unworthy of France. It is a shame that so many people have to suffer antisemitism, homophobia, violent misogyny, etc. It is a shame that so many people have to suffer daily violence and intimidation from their neighbors who use strength and fear all the time, from those who simply assert their dominance, rule criminal networks or enforce an ideology from the 7th century. If you do not give a damn about non-Muslims, at least know that French Muslims, and French Muslim women especially, are the first victims of your complacency.
I live in the boonies of France and, yet, there is a Muslim community here with their own shops and own mosque. Nobody is afraid of them, they are peaceful people - like you and me.
What a great anecdote: "around my bourgeois place where a few Muslims live, I personally heard of no problem, hence there are no problems with Muslims in general".
That "some" have become radicalized is indeed true. But "that some" is a small minority percentage of the population - about 3100 in France.
3100 is only the number of terrorists or very closed from becoming ones. The problem with Muslims is that the majority of them are so far-right they make Le Pen look like a 68er. And the moderates contribute to those problems by supporting their community and shouldering with them even when they disagree.
As always we lack data about France, but for example it has been established that
half are antisemities and homophobes,
half think we want to destroy Islam, 75% want to prohibit blasphemy,
You do not know Muslims. One or two of them maybe, superficially, but you do not know them and their communities, nor the modern history of Muslim countries. You are ignorant of the rise of religious radicalism all over the world as a result of the failures of Arab nationalism, as every academic could explain to you. You are ignorant that this rise of radicalism has also hit French neighborhoods since the 90's and how it has since started to harm people every day, mostly Muslims.
And I cannot even blame you for your ignorance: you live in a country where it is prohibited to measure reality and to discuss it. Hence why France is so slow to extract itself from the illusions it forced itself in.
