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Germany- Muslims Brutally Rape 14 Year Old Girl, Discard Her in Freezing Temperatures

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Funny Pete, during my high school and college years, me and my friends managed to meet girls our age without raping anyone. How did that happen? You make it sound like a 21 year old who gang rapes a 14 girl is a normal occurrence. I'd obviously disagree.

Turner is a really bad character, I agree. He never gang raped anyone however, in fact DNA testing proved that he never had sexual intercourse with the victim. Comparing yet another instance of Muslim men gang raping European girls to Brock Turner just make no sense, it's like comparing petty theft to bank robbery.

Again, as I explained to Infinite Chaos, Turner's crime occurred in my home state of California. You may not know how bad the prison situation is here, but I do since I live here. Every state prison in california is at over-capacity levels, some are almost at 200%. California has more violent criminals than any other state. We are the home base of the Mexican Mafia, Nuestra Familia, BGF, and Aryan Brotherhood, plus many more prison gangs. We do not have the room to house people who the state knows will be murdered in prison if they are not given 24 hour protective security. Turner is one of these type of people.

My name is Peter, not Pete.

And loads of Muslims also manage to not rape the girls they meet? How does that happen? You make it sound like only Muslims commit crimes like that but the vast majority of Muslims act just like you do (and not rape anyone ever in their lives).

And don't try and deceitfully claim that I think a young girl being raped is a normal occurrence, I clearly state in my post that what happened to this girl was disgraceful and that they need to be punished hard and fast.

But that is not what this video is all about, this video is about maligning Muslims, not for the fact that they committed a crime but because they did that crime while being Muslim.

This video (by a bunch of Muslim haters at this Jihad watch group) is purely made out of hatred for Muslims, not because of the the hatred of this crime (because I can guarantee that this Jihad watch bunch of idiots would not have translated this video if the rapists had been someone other than Muslims). So they are making this about their faith rather than about their disgusting crime. Personally I do not give a ****/could care less about someones faith, their age or their nationality, I care about the victim and about their disgusting crimes, I condemn them for raping a girl, that they are Muslims does not make it worse or less worse.

And wow, Turner did not rape her with his penis, he did it with a foreign object. How is that any different from other rapes? For me rape is rape, unconscious is unconscious, but you are trying to lessen his crime by making false comparisons.

And Turner deserved a lot longer jail sentence and maybe it would be wise to revise the three strikes law because I can understand how this would have a really negative influence on the prison population.
 
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What source please?
......uploaded by vladtepesblog. Your suspicions are correct so I won't bother with a link.

That doesn't mean the incident didn't happen, the implied Muslim angle is simply not substantiated.
 
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Funny Pete, during my high school and college years, me and my friends managed to meet girls our age without raping anyone. How did that happen? You make it sound like a 21 year old who gang rapes a 14 girl is a normal occurrence. I'd obviously disagree...................
I'd assume most strongly that neither you and your friends nor anyone you tended to meet came from the problematic backgrounds that would have put any of you into youths' homes. Nor, if you were not resident in any of those, that you showed a propensity for hunting around such institutions in search of "easy meat".
 
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Interestingly the local press at the time (February) was quick to name the alleged perps as Serbians. Some even went so far as to attach the label "gypsy".

Since they were all placed into youths' homes after initial arrest and some of them fled from there at the time, wanted lists were issued naming Bosko P., Dennis M. and Alexander K. (initializing of surnames meanwhile done by the press).

Very Muslim names and not even accounting for the fact that Serbia is an extremely Muslim country.

Not!

Where nationality is by general proceeding now clearly put into secondary position (all re-caught and court proceedings opened), the fact that a crowd of pretty obviously Serb family members turned up in support of the accused, continues to speak for the Serb angle.

None of which serves to show that Muslims would be incapable of such an atrocious act, it's just that here the Muslim angle that certain publications try to bring up at any given opportunity, falls completely flat.
 
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Why are there no sources who name Lowfink's supposed rapists?
Here ya go.

Pardis Fardjad-Azad, footballer and Sebastian Castillo Pinto, VIP Manager of the club in question (where Pardis met Gina-Lisa).
Why did a judge slap her with a $27,000 fine for false allegations?
For a false allegation.
Video evidence of Lowfink's encounter exists, and a judge has ruled that her encounter was consensual.
That's where ALL the evidence that the investigation uncovered pointed.
Sorry, I'm not buying the story your writing here. Real victims are done a huge disservice by people like Lowfink.
agreed.
 
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My name is Peter, not Pete.

And loads of Muslims also manage to not rape the girls they meet? How does that happen? You make it sound like only Muslims commit crimes like that but the vast majority of Muslims act just like you do (and not rape anyone ever in their lives).

And don't try and deceitfully claim that I think a young girl being raped is a normal occurrence, I clearly state in my post that what happened to this girl was disgraceful and that they need to be punished hard and fast.

But that is not what this video is all about, this video is about maligning Muslims, not for the fact that they committed a crime but because they did that crime while being Muslim.

This video (by a bunch of Muslim haters at this Jihad watch group) is purely made out of hatred for Muslims, not because of the the hatred of this crime (because I can guarantee that this Jihad watch bunch of idiots would not have translated this video if the rapists had been someone other than Muslims). So they are making this about their faith rather than about their disgusting crime. Personally I do not give a ****/could care less about someones faith, their age or their nationality, I care about the victim and about their disgusting crimes, I condemn them for raping a girl, that they are Muslims does not make it worse or less worse.

And wow, Turner did not rape her with his penis, he did it with a foreign object. How is that any different from other rapes? For me rape is rape, unconscious is unconscious, but you are trying to lessen his crime by making false comparisons.

And Turner deserved a lot longer jail sentence and maybe it would be wise to revise the three strikes law because I can understand how this would have a really negative influence on the prison population.

There appears to be a very good reason for pointing out cases such as this one, and that is the prevalence of rape in the Muslim community. Practicing Muslims commonly believe that any girl or woman who is dressed in a way that they deem to be inappropriate, is a slut and deserving of rape. This kind of thought flies directly in the face of Western values and culture.

Muslims also have a history of targeting White children in Europe for rape, and unfortunately white men in Europe have become too passive to offer up much resistance. The Rotterdam case in England exemplifies what I'm talking about; over 1,000 white children were lured into prostitution by a gang of Muslim men, and it took the impotent British nearly 15 years to put an end to it. Many British commenters have actually blamed the children rather than dare to blame the Muslims involved, providing proof that the English will not protect their own children against these kinds of heinous people.

So what if the video was provided by Jihad Watch? I give them credit for exposing an important story that the American media is too scared to talk about. The New York times is probably too busy printing articles about trivial matters.
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I'm not lessening Turner's crime, I'm informing you of what Turners crime actually was. Rape charges were dropped against Turner, because the law over here does not consider what he did to be rape. There is also nowhere to house Turner, without holding him in protective custody, which costs the state of California around $60,000 to do, per inmate. California's prisons are so full of killers and gang members that many crimes go unpunished, and Turner's case may finally open people's eyes to what is going on here.

The 3 strikes law has been revised, and some 10,000 prisoners who were sentenced to life in prison have been released. This fact has not changed the predicament that our prisons are in, and prisons here are still at over-capacity levels. We are not the Netherlands here, this is a very violent place.
 
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There appears to be a very good reason for pointing out cases such as this one, and that is the prevalence of rape in the Muslim community. ....................
It's you problem that you can't discern how this example serves not at all for what you're trying to imply.

Maybe you're experiencing difficulty in keeping up, I dunno. But if that's the case, keep it as your problem instead of pushing it onto everybody else.
 
Re: Germany- Muslims Brutally Rape 14 Year Old Girl, Discard Her in Freezing Temperat

There appears to be a very good reason for pointing out cases such as this one, and that is the prevalence of rape in the Muslim community. Practicing Muslims commonly believe that any girl or woman who is dressed in a way that they deem to be inappropriate, is a slut and deserving of rape. This kind of thought flies directly in the face of Western values and culture.

Are you claiming the accusation that women who dress in a particular way bring rape on themselves is a muslim issue or did this exist in the west (and elsewhere) before this?

Muslims also have a history of targeting White children in Europe for rape, and unfortunately white men in Europe have become too passive to offer up much resistance. The Rotterdam case in England exemplifies what I'm talking about; over 1,000 white children were lured into prostitution by a gang of Muslim men, and it took the impotent British nearly 15 years to put an end to it. Many British commenters have actually blamed the children rather than dare to blame the Muslims involved, providing proof that the English will not protect their own children against these kinds of heinous people.

Paedophiles also have a history of targeting vulnerable children in for rape; everything else you claimed was a pile of steaming excrement.
 
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It's you problem that you can't discern how this example serves not at all for what you're trying to imply.

Maybe you're experiencing difficulty in keeping up, I dunno. But if that's the case, keep it as your problem instead of pushing it onto everybody else.

Again, practicing Muslims believe that women who dress immodestly are asking to be sexually assaulted.
I know that there are also people from Muslim backgrounds who live a mostly secular lifestyle, and prefer western freedom over Islamic tradition.
 
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Are you claiming the accusation that women who dress in a particular way bring rape on themselves is a muslim issue or did this exist in the west (and elsewhere) before this?

Irrelevant, it's not a modern part of European culture. All kinds of bad stuff was the norm in the year 1200 A.D. Should we ignore bad stuff occurring now based on the ridiculous excuse that it also occurred in 1200 A.D. somewhere in Europe? That would be like saying that Europeans should be allowed to sexually assault women in Pakistan because Pakistani men do it in England. Equally absurd.
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What was the implication of your second comment? That Pakistani men target white children for rape because they're vulnerable?
 
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Irrelevant, it's not a modern part of European culture.

You're seriously claiming there aren't westerners who feel a woman's clothing can be the reason they can be raped? Never heard of Judge G. Todd Baugh?

Are these stories from the 12th Century?

Rape victims who flirt are 'partially to blame', four in ten French people believe | The Independent

Drunk or flirty rape victims often 'to blame', says survey - Telegraph

Rape Myths | WAVAW | Women Against Violence Against Women

I think this statement addresses you entirely.

The Atlantic said:
“Rape is as American as apple pie,” says blogger Jessica Valenti. She and her sisters-in-arms describe our society as a “rape culture” where violence against women is so normal, it’s almost invisible.


What was the implication of your second comment? That Pakistani men target white children for rape because they're vulnerable?

No, it was clear, your statement was pure excrement. The groups were mainly Pakistani but you won't find any Pakistani Ahmadiyya rape gangs so that rules out a blanket "Pakistani men" claim. I've told you before - research Mirpuri rape gangs please and get back to me.
 
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Again, practicing Muslims believe that women who dress immodestly are asking to be sexually assaulted.
I know that there are also people from Muslim backgrounds who live a mostly secular lifestyle, and prefer western freedom over Islamic tradition.
Which is all very well but changes nothing in the fact that this case here is (as I already pointed out) not a Muslim issue.

Just as an anecdote though (and thus neither here nor there) I knew a Muslim family "up North", where the husband, very much wishing to be "with it", told his wife that she no longer needed to wear the customary headscarf that was practically compulsory at home (Morocco), even if not by law but nevertheless by social pressure there.

When she continued her ingrained behavior (attire) he actually had a go at her on account of seeing integration into the new country severely hindered by her sticking to the old country's ways. She acquiesced, if only to keep the family piece, but was so visibly uncomfortable in dressing the "Western" way that he finally told her to do whatever she pleased.

This was all some 30 years ago and both have meanwhile passed away (last year and year before, respectively) but I'm still in contact with their kids, meanwhile grown. One of those (male) is as devout a Muslim as the parents both were, two (female) are not particular bothered, none of the women wear anything but Western fashion but all of them observe such things as Ramadan. The 4th (and last) child, a daughter, is an atheist.

None have any yearning to return to Morocco except to visit, two have married "infidels" who do not partake in the Ramadan thing but share their Christmas with all and the atheist has remained as rebellious against everything as she already was when 3 years old.

Nobody thrashed her as a kid and I sometimes tell her even today that maybe somebody should have. :mrgreen:
 
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The story said that 36% of respondents in France said that there are some occasions where a girl is partly responsible.
What number would we find if we took an accurate survey of France's Muslim population? 60%? 80%? 90%? Probably. No such survey exists as far as I know because we both know that it would be claimed as "racist" as people like you would prefer to attack whoever conducted such a survey.
I think this statement addresses you entirely.






No, it was clear, your statement was pure excrement. The groups were mainly Pakistani but you won't find any Pakistani Ahmadiyya rape gangs so that rules out a blanket "Pakistani men" claim. I've told you before - research Mirpuri rape gangs please and get back to me.

" The British Mirpuri community comprises people in the United Kingdom who originate from the Mirpur District in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan. While no accurate statistics are available, an estimated 60 to 70 per cent of British Pakistanis in England have origins in the Mirpur District."

60-70 percent of muslims in the UK are Mirpuri!!! Hello? How is it that you live there and I have to you inform you about your own country??

The overwhelming number of muslims in England fit the criteria of those who are most likely to rape!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mirpuris
 
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What does the Mirpuri community in England have to do with a 'perhaps'rape in Germany which you ascribed to Muslims and which had earlier been blamed on Gypsies (and for which neither community is to blame)?
 
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Which is all very well but changes nothing in the fact that this case here is (as I already pointed out) not a Muslim issue.

Just as an anecdote though (and thus neither here nor there) I knew a Muslim family "up North", where the husband, very much wishing to be "with it", told his wife that she no longer needed to wear the customary headscarf that was practically compulsory at home (Morocco), even if not by law but nevertheless by social pressure there.

When she continued her ingrained behavior (attire) he actually had a go at her on account of seeing integration into the new country severely hindered by her sticking to the old country's ways. She acquiesced, if only to keep the family piece, but was so visibly uncomfortable in dressing the "Western" way that he finally told her to do whatever she pleased.

This was all some 30 years ago and both have meanwhile passed away (last year and year before, respectively) but I'm still in contact with their kids, meanwhile grown. One of those (male) is as devout a Muslim as the parents both were, two (female) are not particular bothered, none of the women wear anything but Western fashion but all of them observe such things as Ramadan. The 4th (and last) child, a daughter, is an atheist.

None have any yearning to return to Morocco except to visit, two have married "infidels" who do not partake in the Ramadan thing but share their Christmas with all and the atheist has remained as rebellious against everything as she already was when 3 years old.

Nobody thrashed her as a kid and I sometimes tell her even today that maybe somebody should have. :mrgreen:

Great to hear Chagos. I know that people like this exist, and these aren't the ones that usually bother anyone. I'm guessing that they were somewhat affluent, or at least financially comfortable. I wish that they were all success stories like your friends, there wouldn't be a problem if that were the case.
 
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What does the Mirpuri community in England have to do with a 'perhaps'rape in Germany which you ascribed to Muslims and which had earlier been blamed on Gypsies (and for which neither community is to blame)?

Its a Muzlimz are baad thread. Facts and truth have no place in here, didint you know?
 
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You are trying to make a narrative where Muslims would be no different from the rest, but this is a blatant lie.

Watch Sofia Peeters' movie, read what women like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Fadela Amara are saying. Progressives have betrayed women and everyone of us because of their pro-minority biases and their desire to help Islam spread in the name of a dogmatic liberalism.

It is more than due time that leftists end their hypocrite blindness and get back in the fight for progressivism rather than freedom of religion. If they don't, then they must acknowledge they are the allies of the vilest religious conservatives, that they serve the destruction of progressive values in the name of their own absolute ideology.
 
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Rather than blaming conservatives for something in return, would not it be more interesting to reflect on what he just said?

Because he is right to point out that pro-minority people (which comprise most of liberals) are quick to ignore, doubt or alleviate the consequences of immigration. This is not specific to this question of course, we all tend to reject what goes counter to our views. The problem is that, regarding Islam, it is done at the expense of traditional liberal values, such as feminism, secularism, freedom of expression against religion, etc.

In their unconditional support to Islam, many leftists and progressives now find themselves helping the rise of conservative religious values and sabotaging their own values. I think more and more leftists are turning against Islam because of that, like I did.

My post points out his hypocrisy. If you blame one side and not the other you are missing the point. Conservative overgeneralization and fear-mongering contributes just as much as liberal minimizing. And you did exactly what he did... and what you claim liberals do. Overgeneralized.
 
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Again, practicing Muslims believe that women who dress immodestly are asking to be sexually assaulted.
I know that there are also people from Muslim backgrounds who live a mostly secular lifestyle, and prefer western freedom over Islamic tradition.

This is untrue and an example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. There are plenty of practicing Muslims who do not believe what you claim. YOUR version of what a practicing Muslim is happens to be irrelevant.
 
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The story said that 36% of respondents in France said that there are some occasions where a girl is partly responsible.
What number would we find if we took an accurate survey of France's Muslim population? 60%? 80%? 90%? Probably.

Long winded way of admitting I as right.

No such survey exists as far as I know because we both know that it would be claimed as "racist" as people like you would prefer to attack whoever conducted such a survey.
I think this statement addresses you entirely.

You've heard the phrase about making assumptions making an ass out of one of us? You're assuming and making an ass of your position.

" The British Mirpuri community comprises people in the United Kingdom who originate from the Mirpur District in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan. While no accurate statistics are available, an estimated 60 to 70 per cent of British Pakistanis in England have origins in the Mirpur District."

60-70 percent of muslims in the UK are Mirpuri!!! Hello? How is it that you live there and I have to you inform you about your own country??

The overwhelming number of muslims in England fit the criteria of those who are most likely to rape!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mirpuris

I know about the percentage of Mirpuri but you have been trying to apply their cultural baggage to all muslims. At which point will you start to prove that all muslims in the UK are rapists and child abusers?

Mirpur is a backward region of Pakistan, mirpuri rape gangs are common there. My father worked in India during the Raj, he travelled extensively and had little liking for Pakistan however he always raised me to look at things factually, even when I felt there was proof to support a position. I have the same position as my father so it has always amused me that people like you will make assumptions about my views and position which basically shows how extreme your views are.
 
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This is untrue and an example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. There are plenty of practicing Muslims who do not believe what you claim. YOUR version of what a practicing Muslim is happens to be irrelevant.

I think it is more of an idea that lives in loads of backwards and almost devolved men, and yes, some of them are Muslim, some of them are Christians/Jews/atheists/liberals/conservatives/etc.etc.etc. because sadly all groups have those kinds of devolved backwards people in their middle. All the rest of them can do is expose them, punish them if they break the law and educate both women and men to evolve or educate themselves. Thi swill mean more men will move out of that group and more women learn that they deserve the best and that they should not settle for one of these neanderthal morons.
 
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If you blame one side and not the other you are missing the point.
If you think it is about liberals versus conservatives, you completely missed the point. It is about defending women, about defending values that liberals and conservatives commonly share. Values that liberals once spearheaded before they became tools of Islamism.

I am a leftist and a progressive, and this is precisely why I fight Islam.
 
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If you think it is about liberals versus conservatives, you completely missed the point. It is about the defense of women, it is about the defense of values that liberals and conservatives commonly share.

You made it about liberals vs. conservatives. So did truthatallcosts. You also overgeneralized in regards to Islam and used the defense of women as part of that overgeneralization.
 
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Long winded way of admitting I as right.

Am I surprised that 36% of respondents said that women are sometimes partly responsible for their own rape? Not really, I've seen DP members try to blame rape victims for being raped, and 9 times out of 10, its people who claim to be progressive who are doing the blaming.


You've heard the phrase about making assumptions making an ass out of one of us? You're assuming and making an ass of your position.

Keep reading, you're about to make an ASSumption of your own...

I know about the percentage of Mirpuri but you have been trying to apply their cultural baggage to all muslims. At which point will you start to prove that all muslims in the UK are rapists and child abusers?

"A British Muslim male is 170 times more likely to be a part of sex grooming gang (gang rape gang) than a non-Muslim. And there are no recorded instances of non-Muslims doing this to Muslim girls as part of a criminal enterprise. In one local jurisdiction, it was estimated that six out of seven Muslim males either knew about, or were part of, a grooming gang.

Do you have daughters?
Have you adequately warned them of the dangers they may face as white women in the UK?
'Easy Meat.' Britain's Muslim Rape Gang Cover-Up | CBN.com

Mirpur is a backward region of Pakistan, mirpuri rape gangs are common there. My father worked in India during the Raj, he travelled extensively and had little liking for Pakistan however he always raised me to look at things factually, even when I felt there was proof to support a position. I have the same position as my father so it has always amused me that people like you will make assumptions about my views and position which basically shows how extreme your views are.

3 out of 10 Muslims in England are from an area that doesn't routinely condone rape.

7 out of 10 Muslims in England are from an area that does condone rape.

Your father sounds like a smart guy to tell you to judge things factually. Are you using his advice?
 
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This is untrue and an example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. There are plenty of practicing Muslims who do not believe what you claim. YOUR version of what a practicing Muslim is happens to be irrelevant.

"At-risk white English girls, often from broken homes and some as young as nine years old, were wooed or "groomed" by teenage Muslim boys called 'Romeos' and even by groups of Muslim men who hung around school gates. The girl would be made to feel important; given gifts and drugs. She was being groomed to be a drug addicted prostitute. Then came the gang rapes. They were threatened with death if they tried to flee.

Igler says, "The thing you have to understand about this rape of children is it's not just sexual abuse. It is unspeakable levels of violence, victims being raped with knives, victims being raped with bottles, victims having their tongues nailed to tables. These are sometimes girls who are picked up from a children's home on a Friday, are being raped during the course of a weekend by hundreds of men and returned with bleeding groins back to the children's' home on a Monday morning and they don't do anything about it at all."

Who do I pity?

Law abiding Muslims who might receive a dirty look on a subway?

Or the many children who have been subjected to the abuse described above, because society and their government turned their backs on them?

'Easy Meat.' Britain's Muslim Rape Gang Cover-Up | CBN.com
 
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